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[RetroReid]

I'm happy to say I finally got my shipping conformation!!!
For those who are wondering, my order number was #1892.

Funny thing is, I recently sent an email to Analogue complaining about the HDMI / analogue signal issue.
I also complained about their poor communication in general.
They responded to me with the following:

Hi Reid,

Cheers!

The internet can be a tyrannical monster. One that is filled with conspiracy theories and speculation. Fortunately this sort of thing is the result of no more than a handful of people, in a couple places on the net -- many of which aren't even customers of ours. Frankly, 95% of those who pre-ordered the Nt have felt informed through the process. We know this because we speak with tons of our customers daily. We're here and anyone can reach out directly to us anytime.

Regardless of what conspiracy theories and speculation may be found on the internet -- the Nt was indeed finished, in production and planned to ship on our originally announced dates. All of our delays, have been entirely transparent and honest (and can be flatly proven). To be clear: the Analogue Nt is not a Kickstarter...an important distinction between a Kickstarter and taking pre-orders: we offer refunds to our customers at anytime. Pre-orders are there simply to 'lock' your place in line.

We do have an incredible story to tell about the obstacles we ran into and what it took to maintain our standard of quality (which outside of the out-of-our-control port delays and customs, is the reason for the bulk of delays). This story will completely shed light on the Nt's timeline. You can count on this story being told, but in the meantime, we're still focused on getting these last orders out to everybody.

Regardless, any misunderstanding at all us unacceptable and we of course completely understand why some have gotten upset. We'll definitely be refining several things in the future to totally eliminate any chance of this kind of thing in the future.

And don't worry, we're not going anywhere. The Analogue Nt is only the beginning.

I responded with this to say:

I don’t mean to come off accusatory of you guys not informing your customers.
But there is undeniably some information that myself and others feel was left out.
I am not referring specifically about the delays themselves but why they were happening.

We were never informed about the change to the HDMI upscaler.
It went from being an external attachment made by Analogue to the internal board developed by Kevin Horton.
You told us that all units would be shipping in June / July but no one received their HDMI unit until the end of August.
We were never told that the HDMI upgraded units were delayed because you were waiting on Kevin’s boards to be finished.
We were never told about how the change to Kevin’s board meant that the Analogue Nt could only output HDMI and not analogue signals.
Many people ordered the HDMI upgrade and analogue cables when you first announced it because it was never stated the two weren’t compatible.
The HDMI feature was advertised as an upgrade, why would anyone think this would remove other features from the system?

These are just a few of the details that were not given to your customers, and trust me I know they’re not happy about it because I’ve spoken to them.
I really don’t see why you couldn’t of sent us an email saying something like, “Listen guys, I have good news, Kevin Horton joined our team and is working with us to make the Analogue Nt even better! His HiDefNES board will allow the Analogue Nt to surpass everyone’s expectations! But please be patient, this means you all will have to wait a little longer, but we promise it will be worth the wait."

Something that simple would have made all the difference.
Please consider this kind of communication for your next products, it can only help.
And, no you did not do a kickstarter, but the way they communicate can relate to your process because your product was not finished.

The final response was perhaps the most mysterious:

We'll explain these things, but I'm not going to do so now and start rumors. It'll all make complete sense, don't worry.

We've been in this business for 5 years and we didn't get to this point by being dishonest.

We do appreciate your interest in what we do, we're super passionate about it too. The amount of human effort that went into producing the Nt is truly unbelievable. We pretty much lost 2 years of our lives making it. It was worth it!

I really don't know what to make of this, it's pretty hard to believe they had a good reason to not keep us informed.
But who knows at this point, maybe Nintendo themselves were involved with the delays.
I guess we'll find out pretty soon at least.
For now I'm gonna buy a HDMI to RGB converter and just move on.

 

[low_budget]

I must say I am curious to hear the Analogue Nt development story.

I am happy Analogue did finally come through and begin shipping what seems to be a good quality product for people that have been waiting so long.

I really don't understand why Analogue had so many problems with communication.

I suppose the composite video option for the HDMI units will be the original PPU generated one? That would make it standard NES quality in analog mode. I thought somehow the NESRGB and HDMI would be incorporated together, but that would be very challenging technically and for that price. It would require both boards patched together or a complete redesign that would do both digital and analog video. That's kind of expecting a lot.



I've always honestly advertised the Super 8 bit.
I've always shipped every Super 8 bit order within 3 business days.
Never had one complaint from a customer.
I did all my own development work, PCB design, and case design.
Funded everything myself and did not sell systems until they were in hand.

Unfortunately, that business model is less successful.

 

[Chittagong]

I think it would do a lot good to Analogue's reputation to come clean with the full story of what happened during the development of Analogue NT.

Like what happened to their original plan to ship in Summer 2014 - and saying that they were wildly optimistic and inexperienced is fine, if that was the case. Or what happened to the video in December 2014 - that's one of the bigger mysteries, since they gave it even a date, but then it took half a year dor one to be released. Or why they didn't just shoot a quick clip of the HDMI unit this summer - instead, my pics here were one of the first confirmations it even exists.

In the end we got an amazing product I'm really happy with, so telling the story honestly can only improve their name.

 

[Frostburn]

I think the full story being told by them would be a very interesting read. I'm sure there were challenges and issues along the way. I know for a fact that many times when you send off specs overseas for things to be produced they don't always come back as promised and we are talking a months time between sending them a sample or digital file and getting back a prototype that if wrong will end up with another month for a simple revision and that goes back and forth until things are perfect or you switch to another manufacturer. Then once everything is right ordering the final product and waiting a few months for the mass product to come back. Even then some issues come up during mass production that weren't there beforehand. I for one am really looking forward to the whole tale if they are willing to tell it and I do think it would be good PR for them in the end to come clean about everything good and bad alike.

 

[mlpz]

I would love to know the real story behind what happened. Their responses to RetroReid sounded a bit too hostile and defensive for my liking, but it is what it is at this point.

I know I was a bit harsh on them myself yesterday over the lack of RGB via component, but I really am happy with this. Honestly, one of the better gaming purchases I've made in a long time, even with the high price tag. It's breathed new life into my collection, and I just want to replay everything. The HDMI looks amazing, so I guess I won't miss access to a CRT.

Played some Mega Man (1 this time) and Metal Storm last night. So crisp and clean, it's hard to believe.

 

[mickcris]

My guess is to why it was delayed is that they couldn't get the hdmi to work well. When they saw Kevtris' video about making the adapter they contacted him and scrapped the other plan that wasn't working out. So they had to wait for Kevtris to finish designing everything and have the boards made. Who knows how longer it would have been delayed if Kevtris had not decided to start his HDMI NES project.
I guess they had no choice about the analog and hdmi working together so they probably hoped no one would complain too much.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

To be honest, the most suspect detail about the console when it was announced was that they had planned to add an optional "$50 external HDMI upscaler" to the package if you wanted an HDMI solution. I said as much when it was announced.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

My best guess is their company is 3 - 5 people who vastly underestimated the scope of their project in going from design to full scale production and shipping. The HDMI thing was probably a part of the delay but it took them a really long time to even get non-HDMI units out the door.

I don't really understand the lack of communication at all.

 

[NoFaceNico]

The NT is a fantastic product, I'll admit that all day. But as Sixfortyfive mentioned, if you really thought about it, their HDMI upscaler was doomed to fail. Then after Analogue showed its silence is golden ethos, it's no surprise they shipped out worthless cables. And this is exactly why it was wrong for Analogue to do a "stealth Kickstarter" for a product that had not finished development.

Now I'm remembering back to when I was arguing with a poster who was later outed as an Analogue employee. Remember those arguments? Well, show me what law they broke!! They haven't broken any specific law in the USA!! All the while ignoring the very detailed arguments I made explaining that they probably violated the Federal Trade Commission Act's laws against deceptive acts and practices.

Well..... guess which government entity is still living up to it's promises?

The Commission intends to enforce the FTC Act vigorously. We will investigate, and prosecute where appropriate, acts or practices that are deceptive.

Yep, I woke up to this good news: FTC Slams YouTube Group For 'Deceptive' Xbox Marketing Campaign

It's even the exact same provisions I mentioned. Here's the FTC Complaint.

This fact would be material to consumers in their purchasing decisions regarding Xbox One and the Launch Titles. The failure to disclose this fact, in light of the representations made, was, and is, a deceptive practice.

The acts and practices of Respondent as alleged in this complaint constitute unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce in violation of Section 5(a) of the Federal Trade Commission Act.

As I said so long ago...

The FTC source I referred to earlier specifically mentions that deceptive practices are "unlawful" and prosecuteable.

And you might think- well, that complaint that was filed involves YouTube payola so it must have involved payments in the millions to get the FTC's attention, right? Well... no, actually it was only $45,000. At $500 a pop, Analogue only needed to sell 90 preorders to be something the FTC might want to look into.

Analogue, DO NOT FUCK with people's money. Silence is not golden and I can't wait for the day it bites you in the ass.

 

[Kawika]

For now I'm gonna buy a HDMI to RGB converter and just move on.

Wow, Another week another thing that doesn't work with the Analogue NT I pre-ordered.
Last week I found out that the Everdrive N8 would not be compatible (at the present time) with the Analogue NT with the Kevtris HDMI kit.

Now getting the HDMI upgrade breaks getting RGB out for my PVM. Now I wanted to primarily use it on my HDTV I had no clue that this was going to be an issue. I ordered RGB cables and the HDMI upgrade. You'd think they would say hey it won't work. To make matters worse, I recently got a Scart to BNC cable for my PVM and asked the rep @ Analogue to change my cable order from rgb to bnc to RGB to Scart.

At this time, he/she knew I was having issues with the Everdrive because of the HDMI kit and didn't think to say, Hey Kawika, you know, if you get the HDMI upgrade you won't be able to use those cables anyway. You might want to just cancel that.

NOPE he said, yeah no problem buddy, I will change the cables for you since it hasn't already shipped.

In this thread I have defended their customer service and was happy to hear from them but I wonder if they are that busy that they aren't realizing what they are doing or if maybe they don't care enough to make sure their customers are getting what they need.

Either way, I am don't know what to do. I really want this thing but I don't know if I want a $500 nes that will require I buy another $350+ XRGB MIni to play on my hdtv. BTW RetroReid, what kit did you get in case I go that route?

 

[Gyrian]

We're into September, I wonder how many more orders they're going to ship before they shut down again for the second batch?
I've got #2045, and do hope that's still this year...

On another note, saw this picture earlier and it kind of made an impression. Had not even considered this combo.

 

[sixteen-bit]

We're into September, I wonder how many more orders they're going to ship before they shut down again for the second batch?
I've got #2045, and do hope that's still this year...

On another note, saw this picture earlier and it kind of made an impression. Had not even considered this combo.

is that the pink or the red?

any real-life / non-promotional pics of the pink, black, or blue ones?

 

[Tenebrous]

Just caught this video. Looks very good, to be fair.

 

[mlpz]

The NT is a fantastic product, I'll admit that all day. But as Sixfortyfive mentioned, if you really thought about it, their HDMI upscaler was doomed to fail. Then after Analogue showed its silence is golden ethos, it's no surprise they shipped out worthless cables. And this is exactly why it was wrong for Analogue to do a "stealth Kickstarter" for a product that had not finished development.

Now I'm remembering back to when I was arguing with a poster who was later outed as an Analogue employee. Remember those arguments? Well, show me what law they broke!! They haven't broken any specific law in the USA!! All the while ignoring the very detailed arguments I made explaining that they probably violated the Federal Trade Commission Act's laws against deceptive acts and practices.

Well..... guess which government entity is still living up to it's promises?


Yep, I woke up to this good news: FTC Slams YouTube Group For 'Deceptive' Xbox Marketing Campaign

It's even the exact same provisions I mentioned. Here's the FTC Complaint.



As I said so long ago...


And you might think- well, that complaint that was filed involves YouTube payola so it must have involved payments in the millions to get the FTC's attention, right? Well... no, actually it was only $45,000. At $500 a pop, Analogue only needed to sell 90 preorders to be something the FTC might want to look into.

Analogue, DO NOT FUCK with people's money. Silence is not golden and I can't wait for the day it bites you in the ass.

Great post.

Here are screen shots from their announcement email, which I still have. The perception on the consumer is that this would output all sources mentioned. "But wait, that was for the old external HDMI solution, which they upgraded to the superior internal unit!" you may say. However, they never notified anyone of the incompatibilities, hell they never notified anyone that they switched HDMI solutions.





All we have ever asked for was transparency.

That alone is enough for an FTC investigation, should anyone really want to push the issue...just sayin'.

 

[Gyrian]

is that the pink or the red?

any real-life / non-promotional pics of the pink, black, or blue ones?

Believe this is the red one. I've only seen real life images of the black unit thus far.
As far as Analogue's responsiveness, I do have to give them credit on a quick email trigger. After my last reply here, I wrote them to ask whether I had made it to batch one, and they're already written back to say yes! Hope they are indeed able to clear all of their first wave orders soon!

 

[RetroReid]

Wow, Another week another thing that doesn't work with the Analogue NT I pre-ordered.
Last week I found out that the Everdrive N8 would not be compatible (at the present time) with the Analogue NT with the Kevtris HDMI kit.

Now getting the HDMI upgrade breaks getting RGB out for my PVM. Now I wanted to primarily use it on my HDTV I had no clue that this was going to be an issue. I ordered RGB cables and the HDMI upgrade. You'd think they would say hey it won't work. To make matters worse, I recently got a Scart to BNC cable for my PVM and asked the rep @ Analogue to change my cable order from rgb to bnc to RGB to Scart.

At this time, he/she knew I was having issues with the Everdrive because of the HDMI kit and didn't think to say, Hey Kawika, you know, if you get the HDMI upgrade you won't be able to use those cables anyway. You might want to just cancel that.

NOPE he said, yeah no problem buddy, I will change the cables for you since it hasn't already shipped.

In this thread I have defended their customer service and was happy to hear from them but I wonder if they are that busy that they aren't realizing what they are doing or if maybe they don't care enough to make sure their customers are getting what they need.

Either way, I am don't know what to do. I really want this thing but I don't know if I want a $500 nes that will require I buy another $350+ XRGB MIni to play on my hdtv. BTW RetroReid, what kit did you get in case I go that route?

This is exactly the kind of crap I was complaining to them about!
You saw my earlier post right?
He/she from Analogue had the nerve to say:

Frankly, 95% of those who pre-ordered the Nt have felt informed through the process. We know this because we speak with tons of our customers daily.

That is utter bullshit!
None of us here felt informed and they really had no excuse not to tell us these things.
There is literally no excuse I can fathom that would keep them from being transparent.
And I said this to them, and their response was... "We'll explain these things..."
It all goes back to the "delaying" nature the company has.
A company that doesn't keep promises really isn't a good company.

I feel bad that you got screwed over like I did.
I went with the HDMI because I figured it's one of a kind and future proof, plus it's easy to make a digital signal analogue rather than the other way around.

Analogue, DO NOT FUCK with people's money. Silence is not golden and I can't wait for the day it bites you in the ass.

Someone give this man a medal.
Please get the FTC's attention about this thing.

 

[Kawika]

I went with the HDMI because I figured it's one of a kind and future proof, plus it's easy to make a digital signal analogue rather than the other way around.

Since I am probably going to go the HDMI route like you, what are you plans for down-scaling/connecting it to your pvm (IE what are you going to buy to achieve this. You might have made my day, somewhat, if its a decent/not overly expensive solution)?

 

[cantona222]

How is the picture quality compared to a Retron 5 using HDMI?

 

[Chittagong]

How is the picture quality compared to a Retron 5 using HDMI?

I would expect both of them to display an equally 'pixel perfect' image. However the major difference would be that since Retron is emulated, and not real hardware, it wouldn't have the glitches of original NES graphics, such as the screen edge corruption I mentioned earlier.

 

[TheWraith]

I would expect both of them to display an equally 'pixel perfect' image. However the major difference would be that since Retron is emulated, and not real hardware, it wouldn't have the glitches of original NES graphics, such as the screen edge corruption I mentioned earlier.

Retron is only 720p I believe, and scanlines on Retron aren't that great, and not adjustable in any way.

Just ordered one after reading Parish's quite glowing review on it, hope the wait won't kill me.

 

[Chittagong]

Retron is only 720p I believe, and scanlines on Retron aren't that great, and not adjustable in any way.

Just ordered one after reading Parish's quite glowing review on it, hope the wait won't kill me.

Ah. Well then Analogue NT image is significantly superior, it outputs 1080P, and the scanlines are super adjustable, as are many other things. Kevtris did a fantastic job with all the options he put into the kit.

 

[RetroReid]

Since I am probably going to go the HDMI route like you, what are you plans for down-scaling/connecting it to your pvm (IE what are you going to buy to achieve this. You might have made my day, somewhat, if its a decent/not overly expensive solution)?

I don't know if it needs to really be downscaled, I may be wrong.
I have a 14inch PVM with rgb via BNC connectors, so I thought something like this product could be used with the tv in YPbPr mode.
I guess if it was still spitting out an 1080 image the PVM might not like that...
The product says it's capable of downscaling though.
However, any kind of scaling would introduce lag probably, so I want to avoid that.
If there is some way this could work then it would be pretty cool to see the HDMI menu screen Kevtris made on a CRT tv, which is normally not possible!

Edit: Yep, looks like your CRT needs to support 1080 / 480 resolutions. I'm gonna continue looking into this.

 

[exnine]

This might be a silly question, but I'm not a sound guy and I haven't been able to find an answer to this: what's the benefit of 16-bit stereo audio on an 8-bit system that, to my understanding, outputs mono audio?

 

[televator]

NM

 

[xemumanic]

Judging from the price of these HDMI-modded top loaders, I'm not so sure the whole "The NT is overpriced!" argument really holds water anymore:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...TR0.TRC10.A0.H0.XHDMI.TRS5&_nkw=HDMI&_sacat=0

(Note: The kit used in these consoles is literally exactly the same as the kit in the NT)

Sure, you could attribute this to early adopters, etc., but I don't think the NT was ever overpriced at any point, despite all of the claims to the contrary.
I still think Analogue, the company, is shit, and they made a lot of very poor and very stupid design decisions, some unforgivable at that price point, but I can still see the appeal of the NT.

I'm wondering if the issue with the cart slot can be solved by disassembling the case and having the edges of the cart slot machined to provide more clearance. I don't have one, so I don't know what the actual problem is (my understanding is it isn't the dust flaps, but the edges of the slot itself). Kind of ridiculous that this wasn't caught during development/QA, but, really, at this point, no one should be surprised, as it is obviously that Analogue is just winging it from start to finish.

Lastly, as I didn't see this posted in the thread, here's what the inside of the delivered product actually looks like:

There are many, many things wrong with Analogue as a company, but I really don't think the Analogue NT is overpriced for what you get.

- Original NES CPU and PPU
- Redone black, miniaturised and slick motherboard
- Gold plated controller jacks x 4 (no need for FourScore)
- NES / Famicom cartridge slots, at least mine don't scratch the carts (no need for adapter)
- Precision machined aluminum shell (weighs about 5lbs, it's insane)
- Famicom DiscSystem expansion jack
- NESRGB mod for top tier analog output for CRT
- Kevtris Hi-Def NES HDMI kit integrated for flat panel
- Breathing light inside cartridge slots

There is an incredible amount of technology, manufacturing and love in this box, and even if I think Analogue are incompetent/dishonest, there is no denying that Analogue NT will be the greatest NES that will be ever made. They'll cost a lot in a few years.

I always thought that to be the case too. But the honest truth is I didn't speak up here and elsewhere on the internet because I didn't wanna hear any backlash from the hivemind who decided it was. But when you look at what you get, especially when you consider the high quality case and motherboard, it's a wrap. BEST NES EVER.

 

[Lettuce]

Those weren't BIN listings; they were auctions. That means, people paid what they thought they were worth. Thus, I'm not sure how Game-tech overcharging for anything is relevant, since he didn't set the prices, the bidders did.

Well starting an auction of a $300 isn't really letting people pay what they think some things worth is it really!

Anyway, if you select to have the HDMI kit fitted does this remove the ability to use any other video connection method?

 

[mlpz]

Well starting an auction of a $300 isn't really letting people pay what they think some things worth is it really!

Not to split hairs, but the starting price for an auction doesn't change what the market thinks an item is worth. Whatever it sells for, regardless of it's starting price, determines that. Someone bought it, therefore they thought it was worth was it was priced. [/economics]

Anyway, if you select to have the HDMI kit fitted does this remove the ability to use any other video connection method?

Read the last page or two of this thread. Extensive discussion on it. Short answer, no. Pick HDMI, you only get HDMI.

 

[televator]

Read the last page or two of this thread. Extensive discussion on it. Short answer, no. Pick HDMI, you only get HDMI.

Tentatively.

 

[NoFaceNico]

This might be a silly question, but I'm not a sound guy and I haven't been able to find an answer to this: what's the benefit of 16-bit stereo audio on an 8-bit system that, to my understanding, outputs mono audio?

That's a good question. I don't know the answer but would love to hear the explanation. I'm kinda a n00b on that subject as well.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

This might be a silly question, but I'm not a sound guy and I haven't been able to find an answer to this: what's the benefit of 16-bit stereo audio on an 8-bit system that, to my understanding, outputs mono audio?

"Bits" in digital audio is # of bits per sample. More bits = more accurate individual samples, up to a point where its "good enough." Having 8-bit audio samples would make everything sound muffled and wrong.

NES generates analog audio, it's not "8-bit" in the first place.

 

[exnine]

That's a great explanation. Thank you!

 

[Frostburn]

So for those of you that have it, any one planning on doing a video? Right now I can't get enough of the impressions and there haven't been very many reviews or impressions besides what is posted here and maybe 1-2 other "reviews". I need to live vicariously through you guys until the 2nd wave ships later next year

 

[beelulzebub]

Someone give this man a medal.
Please get the FTC's attention about this thing.

...well, maybe wait until after my second shipment preorder ships out.

So like three years from now?

 

[Wowfunhappy]

"Bits" in digital audio is # of bits per sample. More bits = more accurate individual samples, up to a point where its "good enough." Having 8-bit audio samples would make everything sound muffled and wrong.

NES generates analog audio, it's not "8-bit" in the first place.

Still, wouldn't the NES be outputting mono? Where does the stereo come from?

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Still, wouldn't the NES be outputting mono? Where does the stereo come from?

For the HDMI kit it either duplicates or does the dumb channel separation that some modders seem to like.

 

[baphomet]

For the HDMI kit it either duplicates or does the dumb channel separation that some modders seem to like.

I would hope it doesn't do that awful shit.

 

[televator]

I would hope it doesn't do that awful shit.

It's optional if I remember Kevtri's videos right. Personally, I think it sounds cool on certain games.

 

[Gyrian]

I've got a shipping notification!
It's only ready for UPS at this time though, so I'm not going to expect it before the long weekend...

 

[Frostburn]

I've got a shipping notification!
It's only ready for UPS at this time though, so I'm not going to expect it before the long weekend...

Nice what number are you?

 

[Gyrian]

Nice what number are you?

I have #2045, ordered early July. The box has left Seattle, so now I anxiously wait for next week!
With a long weekend in the middle, this is probably going to enable me on shopping for a handful more NES games, haha.

 

[TheWraith]

I have #2045, ordered early July.

Interesting, I thought order lead times were way longer until March 2016!

 

[Gyrian]

Interesting, I thought order lead times were way longer until March 2016!

That's probably still the case, I wrote to ask and they confirmed my order was part of the first batch rather than the second & final production run.

 

[Frostburn]

Nice that you are getting yours so soon after ordering and it seems like they have to be just about 100% done with the first wave. Hopefully the second wave will hit the time frame of March 2016 then! I know we have orders #2095 and #2100 here on GAF so hopefully both are close to the front of wave 2.

What games are you thinking about grabbing this weekend? I'm always on the lookout for recommendations as most of my games are from my childhood collection.

 

[Kawika]

Interesting, I thought order lead times were way longer until March 2016!

I was #2046. In July there were some cancellations. Many of us who ordered during that period got what was left of the first run.

I was issued a tracking number yesterday but looks as if the UPS driver has yet to pick it up.

 

[TheWraith]

Nice that you are getting yours so soon after ordering and it seems like they have to be just about 100% done with the first wave. Hopefully the second wave will hit the time frame of March 2016 then! I know we have orders #2095 and #2100 here on GAF so hopefully both are close to the front of wave 2.

Fyi, I ordered 2 days ago and I'm #2128.

 

[Gyrian]

What games are you thinking about grabbing this weekend? I'm always on the lookout for recommendations as most of my games are from my childhood collection.

You know what, I'm actually looking forward to the same.

I foolishly sold my NES way back in the day, so there's a couple of obvious nostalgia choices for me to grab again, like Ducktales. But there's also a huge side of this library that I'm not familiar with. I didn't even suspect how awesome Sunsoft was, for example, so I picked up Batman (yes, I missed this back then!). Many Konami releases that I'd like to catch up to as well, like Salamander (I used to have this on C64) and Wai Wai World.

Maybe you guys can help me break up some indecision. On Battletoads:

NES
+ The nostalgic, fantastically hard as hell game that I remember
+ Not prohibitively expensive for the cart alone

Famicom
+ Bug fixed, can be finished with 2 players
+ Balanced to be easier, if not more fair
- Significantly more expensive
- Missing the pause music (what!)

I was #2046. In July there were some cancellations. Many of us who ordered during that period got what was left of the first run.

I was issued a tracking number yesterday but looks as if the UPS driver has yet to pick it up.

Wow, I didn't realize we were right next to each other! Hope you see yours at your door very soon.

 

[Frostburn]

Cool as Wave 2 is expected to ship in March 16 we can maybe update the OP so we can report on when we get notifications, shipments, etc. I'm still waiting for more unboxing/impressions, pictures, videos, anything from new owners

Maybe you guys can help me break up some indecision. On Battletoads:

NES
+ The nostalgic, fantastically hard as hell game that I remember
+ Not prohibitively expensive for the cart alone

Famicom
+ Bug fixed, can be finished with 2 players
+ Balanced to be easier, if not more fair
- Significantly more expensive
- Missing the pause music (what!)

I would go with the NES version unless you have someone to run through the game with (Which I always found tougher as a kid). You can always sell it later if you decide you want to give the Famicom version a try.

 

[Lynd7]

I was kinda down on this before, but hearing people positive on it now, my opinion might be changing. I dunno, maybe I should consider it.

 

[Battlesmurf]

Do you think someone will come up with a way to get RGB and HDMI to work? I don't think people were informed enough when that process was switching to what it is now.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Famicom
+ Bug fixed, can be finished with 2 players

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