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Android Hardware Thread - 2009 Edition

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Totakeke said:
Just putting this out there for people in the UK, play.com still has Xperia X10 unlocked for £500 on pre order.

Doesn't seem like there was any CES coverage of the X10 eh?

The phone is still in shit stage and is currently running 1.5/1.6 of Android; hence no show. Otherwise SE would have been laughed off the stage.

Their UI is bogging down the system and is looking real OTT, especially with all the facebook/Twitter interaction...
 
Mecha_Infantry said:
The phone is still in shit stage and is currently running 1.5/1.6 of Android; hence no show. Otherwise SE would have been laughed off the stage.

Their UI is bogging down the system and is looking real OTT, especially with all the facebook/Twitter interaction...

Actually there were X10 sets IIRC from an article I read, just no coverage. If they were shit, I'm pretty sure that there would be coverage highlighting that fact. And you know there's sites out there who would just love to do just that.

So the question is, do you actually know something we don't, or are you just talking out of your ass?

Edit: Actually a quick google search yields a CES showfloor video. Interface still laggy at times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBWi7fCwP0I&feature=player_embedded#at=189
 
If only my Nexus One came in the X10's shell. It would have been magnificent.
 
Totakeke said:
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I like this phone. The UI is very refreshing too.
I think stock Android needs a little more style like this. Live Wallpapers and the new Gallery are a good start, but it has ways to go.

I still gotta give Google(Android) some credit, they come a long way in what...1.5 years?
 
kIdMuScLe said:
i read something about the Cliq getting android 2.1 soon. is there any confirmation on that?

Motorola CEO confirmed it, but it'll be a while after the Droid gets it thanks to MOTOBLUR. Source.
 
mysticstylez said:
Anyone here have opinions on Droid Eris, i'm due for a new phone next week, and was lookin at this one, but have seen conflicting impressions. Some say its sluggish, some say it isn't, some say battery life sucks, some say doesn't.
I've got a Droid Eris. The only time it's regularly sluggish is when scrolling through long lists - mainly just contacts. And even then it's usable. Other than that the phone seems to be able to keep up - though it is never as smooth as an iPhone.

I've read that disabling the SenseUI makes the phone snappier, but the UI is one of my favorite features of the phone, so I've stuck with it. Maybe the upcoming 2.0/2.1 update will add a bit of peppiness. Who knows.

Battery life is actually better than I expected from reading the horror stories on the internet. That being said, I do a few things to increase battery life:
  1. Turn off Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and GPS. I never use Wi-Fi or Bluetooth, and put a switch on my homescreen to turn on GPS when I need to find directions or whatnot.
  2. Turn off auto screen brightness Instead, manually set the brightness - 10% brightness is plenty for everywhere except in direct sunlight, and you can get an app on the market to quickly change brightness without going into the settings menu.
  3. Turn off haptic feedback/click sounds for the keyboard These are pretty annoying to begin with. Not sure how much battery they save, but I prefer them off regardless.
  4. Turn off 3G data when not using it This one's a biggie. Probably saves the most battery after Wi-Fi/Bluetooth/GPS. I placed a toggle on my homescreen to quickly turn 3G on if I need to surf the web/download something, but otherwise I keep it off. With it off you can still send/receive text messages and phone calls. You can't receive MMS - instead, you'll get a text saying you've been sent an MMS message, and you'll need to turn on data to download it. Turning off data also means apps like Gmail, Facebook, etc. can't auto-update to notify you of things, but I found that pretty annoying to begin with, so I don't mind.

With those settings, I was able to run my Eris for three full days of casual use without a charge. Didn't do any heavy surfing during that time, but still - I was impressed. I generally charge my phone every day, so I don't think the battery life will be an issue for me.

I'm satisfied with my purchase, especially because my family cashed in on the buy one get one free deal, so the Eris essentially cost me $50.
 
Oh man, so I got to try out SenseUI for the first time today.
Holy Hell, I know I'm super used to my Droid and I only played with it for 15 minutes but it was TERRIBLE!

UGH, it was so gaudy and cluttered.
The onscreen keyboard was badass though, HTC should really just put that on the market.
 
Jtwo said:
UGH, it was so gaudy and cluttered.

I thought the whole point was that you can customize it exactly how you'd like. I too do not like clutter and so I would spread major categories out over the 5 pages you get.

I imagine myself using the phone much like TheEastonator...good tips there. I do some of that sort of stuff on my dumbphone already and with the whole customization plan to do it with the Bravo to save battery power.

I am tempted by the Hero whenever I'm at the mall. I think the speed boost of the Snapdragon will be worth the 6 month wait for me. At least I hope it's 6 months before it hits Canada. Sense UI and Sony-Ericsson's interfaces seem a bit ahead of their time and needed the processors to catch up. Snapdragon processors could be ideal for both UIs.
 
Jtwo said:
Oh man, so I got to try out SenseUI for the first time today.
Holy Hell, I know I'm super used to my Droid and I only played with it for 15 minutes but it was TERRIBLE!

UGH, it was so gaudy and cluttered.
The onscreen keyboard was badass though, HTC should really just put that on the market.
Huh? If it's "gaudy and cluttered" then change it?

Like you said, the keyboard is great, the main thing I like about it is the ability to long-press keys to get the alternate characters like numbers and such...I hate having to toggle the keyboard for punctuation and the like.
 
Husker86 said:
Huh? If it's "gaudy and cluttered" then change it?

Like you said, the keyboard is great, the main thing I like about it is the ability to long-press keys to get the alternate characters like numbers and such...I hate having to toggle the keyboard for punctuation and the like.
huh? You can do that with the standard keyboard, at least in 2.1 :D .
 
pxleyes said:
huh? You can do that with the standard keyboard, at least in 2.1 :D .
I've only used the standard keyboard when messing around with random custom ROMs but I've never seen the alternate characters visible from the main keyboard page so maybe it is a 2.1 feature which would be a great addition.
 
pxleyes said:
huh? You can do that with the standard keyboard, at least in 2.1 :D .

No, he means this:

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Android's stock keyboard does not have this layout. See how you don't have to toggle between layouts to switch between symbols/numbers and letters. Just hold e for #3, or hold s for the "@" sign, etc.

I have this keyboard installed on my Nexus but it's pixelated and on landscape is not long enough. We need to wait until HTC releases another high resolution Android device with their keyboard to port it over.
 
It appears that the HTC Bravo is hitting Europe (Sweden, specifically) in March, according to 3 Sweden's Facebook.

Also, the Motorola Sholes Tablet is hitting T-Mobile in March.
 
So does the MOTOROI have the same processor as the DROID or is it a snapdragon? is it just going to be on tmoblie or will Verizon get it to? I guess by then Verizon may have the Nexus one though.
 
The Bravo has an optical trackpad!!

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The Nexus should had had one :-/

The HTC Bravo features similar specs to the Nexus One with some minor tweaks. An optical joystick replaces the trackball, Sense UI replaces stock Android, and multitouch functions have been implemented by HTC. The Bravo also features four physical buttons instead of the capacitive touch input buttons that were included with the Nexus One.

Based on previous comments from our readers, I’m guessing many of you might prefer this phone over the Nexus One. Everyone wants multitouch functions as part of the OS and we are still baffled why Google opted for one-handed operation on their branded Android phone. The Sense UI is easily the most popular alternative to stock Android and I’m excited to see what HTC has done with Android 2.1.

Edit: Specs
HTC Bravo Specs

* 3.7 inch AMOLED touch screen
* 5MP camera with flash and high definition 720p video capture
* digital compass, g-sensor, proximity sensor
* 3.5mm headphone jack
* FM Radio
* optical joystick
* DivX
* Dolby
* Bluetooth 2.1
* 512 MB ROM and 256 MB of RAM
* 1400mHa battery
* 16BG microSD card

Lets hope we get the Divx/Dolby ported over to the Nexus. :D
 
Man if Verizon is getting the Nexus One in March if the rumors are true I wonder if they will get the Bravo since the Nexus One will only be sold on Google's site.
 
Paznos said:
Man if Verizon is getting the Nexus One in March if the rumors are true I wonder if they will get the Bravo since the Nexus One will only be sold on Google's site.

The Bravo's codename was, apparently, the Incredible, which "insiders" said is coming to Verizon. So, yes, it's coming to Big Red.
 
That has to come to Sprint. We got the other Sense phone. Plus, the N1 is the same damn phone. If we get neither, it's torches and pitchforks time. PEACE.
 
Sometimes when I go to the mall I'm tempted to pick up a Hero.

Thanks for the Bravo pics and stats...I think I can ward off my temptations for another month.
 
The Bravo/Incredible better come to Verizon, and preferably in February. I returned my Eris on the last day of my return period because I was betting Verizon would get the N1 or that HTC phone in the next month or two. My Storm can only tide me over for so long :(
 
This is via Chris Pruett, who talked at last year's Google I/O (Writing Real-Time Games for Andoird, and this year's upcoming follow-up Redux), who is making a 2D side-scrolling platformer called Replica Island in the 20% time Google gives its employees. Here he is talking about how the dreaded "fragmentation" problem iPhone fans constantly berate Android for... isn't affecting him at all.

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I'm lucky enough to have occasional access to lots of different Android devices via my work. The whole point of the Android approach to apps is that you can write an app on one device (or even an emulator) and deploy it across everything. In my case, that's been pretty true. I've tried Replica Island on the following devices:
  • Google Nexus One
  • Verizon Droid by Motorola
  • HTC Magic (The myTouch in the US, HT-03A here in Japan)
  • HTC Dream (The G1)
  • Samsung Behold II
  • Samsung Galaxy
  • HTC Hero
  • HTC Tattoo
  • LG Eve
  • ODROID
  • Covia SmartQ5
  • Android for x86
The cool thing is, Replica Island ran on all of them without complaint. That's not to say it was playable on all of them--the Covia SmartQ5, for example, has no keyboard, trackball, or even orientation sensors, and you have to use a stylus on the screen (it also has no GPU so the game runs extremely slowly). And some devices (like the LG Eve) have directional pads that are really poor for games. I ran the game under Android for x86 via virtualization, and while it worked it was slow enough that I have new respect for the Android emulator. But the game runs, pretty much error free, on every single Android device I've tested it on.

I don't have regular access to all this hardware to test on, so when a phone comes my way I jump on it, install the game, and try it out. Excepting basic support for multiple screen sizes and input systems, I don't have any device-specific code. I developed Replica Island almost entirely on Dream and Magic devices; it's built for a trackball and touch screen. I've added support for directional pads as well, which covers almost all of the phones on the market. The game runs at a nice frame rate on the Dream/Magic hardware, and it's very smooth on faster devices like the Nexus One and Droid. But that's it--no special case code for any particular device anywhere. Cool!

You might be interested in which of these devices plays Replica Island the best. The answer might surprise you. Wait for it... ok, it's the ODROID.

Yeah, seriously.

What the heck is the ODROID? Well, it's an Android device (not a phone) sold by a South Korean company called Hardkernel. Actually, the consumer version isn't even for sale yet, but you can buy test hardware for nebulous "development purposes" on their web site. The Wonderswan ODROID runs Android 1.5 (sounds like they will have a 2.0 update soon), has an HVGA screen, a Samsung CPU at 833mhz, a touch screen, orientation sensors, and all the other standard stuff. What sets it apart is the game-focused form factor, a real directional pad, and four face buttons. The thing is clearly designed for games.

My ODROID arrived in the mail yesterday, direct from South Korea. It's clearly prototype hardware; the thing is made out of light plastic and looks fairly cheap. There's a very strange power button that doubles as a hold switch and screen orientation switch, and I keep accidentally hitting the capacitive volume controls where I expect shoulder buttons to be. The directional pad is actually pretty bad compared to what you'd find on gaming hardware like the Nintendo DS or Playstation Portable, but it's better than your average phone. The thing can talk to adb, it came with an SD card already installed, and supporting the A/B/X/Y buttons is trivially easy (they just map to regular keyboard events).

But the reason that the ODROID is the best device for playing Replica Island isn't just because of the game-like form factor and controls. Unlike most other Android devices, the ODROID is a combination of fast CPU and medium resolution screen. The devices with larger screens tend to be fill-rate bound; though the Nexus One and Droid have extremely capable CPUs and GPUs, the high resolution screens on those devices work against them when it comes to games (it's almost impossible to break 30 fps on those devices via the GPU, though they can crunch really complex scenes at that speed without breaking a sweat). On the other hand, the Magic/Dream class of devices have the same HVGA resolution, but tend to be CPU bound--rendering is fast but I spend quite a lot of time running the game simulation. The ODROID has neither problem--its CPU is pretty fast and its GPU has no problem filling the HVGA display. As a result, Replica Island is silky smooth on the ODROD--a constant, reliable 60fps. Add that to the game-ready control scheme and you have a pretty great game experience.

That's part of what's so awesome about the run-everywhere Android approach. Replica Island works on all Android devices, pretty much by default. It's fun to play (well, I think it's pretty cool) on most average phones. But when some crazy company wants to make some crazy device that's good at one thing, they can do so without requiring any changes to the applications themselves. In this case, the ODROID is a surprisingly solid game device, at least for games like mine (though other games, particularly 3D games with complex scenes, are probably faster on devices like the Nexus One). And supporting it costs me literally nothing; I just loaded it up and it worked. That's pretty neat.​

Source.
 
Andrex said:
This is via Chris Pruett,

*snip*

Thanks. I appreciated your post about this in the software thread and watched the video. I have too much to do at work, but I really want to get into some Android development later. The only disappointment with Replica Island was realizing he hasn't released the source yet. I love all of the info he is providing about it.
 
prodystopian said:
Thanks. I appreciated your post about this in the software thread and watched the video. I have too much to do at work, but I really want to get into some Android development later. The only disappointment with Replica Island was realizing he hasn't released the source yet. I love all of the info he is providing about it.

Definitely. He's one of the shining beacons of the Android team, even though he's only an "Android advocate" in Japan. He's very talented and brilliant.

He says that RI should be released before Google I/O this year, and that he has a lot to talk about. I'm really anticipating his talk (though I most likely won't be attending in-person.)
 
Andrex said:
Definitely. He's one of the shining beacons of the Android team, even though he's only an "Android advocate" in Japan. He's very talented and brilliant.

He says that RI should be released before Google I/O this year, and that he has a lot to talk about. I'm really anticipating his talk (though I most likely won't be attending in-person.)

Same. I would love to go, but I don't know if I can justify it.
 
prodystopian said:
Same. I would love to go, but I don't know if I can justify it.

Yup, same here. Though I could get a discount on the ticket, the plane/hotel cost is very prohibitive.
 
I am waiting for the official announcement of Motorola Shadow. Shadow and MOTOROI are the best two Android phones by looking at their specifications. Shadow is still rumored but the specs seem real except the 1080P video recording. If it happens, that's cool! and if not, the specs are still the best.

I am waiting for MWC 2010 next month as usual. One of those two Motorola phones will be my next phone. However, I am looking forward to see better specs from Motorola or any other manufacturer next month. The best phone in terms of hardware will be my next phone.
 
Manmademan said:
Isn't that...a wonderswan case?? (or wonderswan color)?

Yeah he made a joke about that. In any case it's just dev hardware, I think (and hope) the consumer version will have a different case.
 
Any UK date on the Bravo? Looks like what the Nexus should have been! Minor changes, but enough to make the phone more tactile and functional.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Welp, welcome me to the Android club, as I just got my first Android device. It's not a cell phone though; it's a Nook! :D

Welcome. :) Unfortunately unless you root the Nook you'd never know it was running Android...
 
Supersonic!

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Oh look, T-mobile...and what's that? Android 3.0? Wat???

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/01/23/htc-supersonic-get-its-screen-shot/

This is probably a fake. But it does seem like T-mobile is getting many of the hot Android devices lately.

Edit:

DroidDog said:
No, your eyes do not deceive you. Not only does this alleged screenshot of the HTC Supersonic show it running Android 3.0, it’s doing it on T-Mobile. All we knew (or thought we knew) up to this point is that the Supersonic was a WiMAX device bound for Sprint. It was predicted to come out with a 4.3 inch touchscreen and Android 2.1 being powered by some sort of next gen processor. All of this was rumored, mind you, but this screenshot tells a different story. Kickstar13 from Tmonews bring up some really valid points on the legitimacy of this picture. The status bar has rounded edges (something stock Android ROMs do not have) and the model, which says “HTC Supersonic”, is not written like it has been in the past. Usually the model line says just that, the model. Not the manufacturer. These kind of things usually have a way of sorting themselves out pretty quickly, we’ll be keeping an eye out.
 
If that's true I wouldn't expect it until September or later. Android 2.5 will probably hit around May/June if their releases are somewhat consistent.

Anyways there was a good comment posted on GigaOM:

Sam said:
I’m concerned about why editorial allowed this writer to touch this content at all and then after seeing, it allowed it to be published. First, as several have said the Droid is a keyboard phone with a fundamentally different customer base to the touchscreen-only Nexus One. This underlines how little the author knows about phones at all. Second the author clearly knows nothing about smartphone OS’s and their history, not to mention consumer electronics in general. Nokia has for years released its own Symbian devices while selling the OS to the like of Samsung and Sony Ericsson. Before that Palm did so with Handspring and Sony. Sony itself had a long and lucrative run of selling Mindisc players while licencsing the ATRAC compression technology and hardware to the likes of Panasonic, Sharp, Kenwood and many others.

Most interestingly all those companies, charged money to the customers they were competing with. In contrast any company using an Android phone is getting a FREE operating system.and a cutting edge one at that. When you understand how much it costs to develop a smartphone OS and generate critical mass for it, ie attract developers to make the applications that pull in consumers, the value of what Google is giving this guys is astronomical. A company like Motorola is dead in the water if it drops Android. What is it going to use – and outdated Symbian or Windows Mobile. And BTW if it buys Maemo or Web OS then it is PAYING to compete with Nokia or Palm, whereas it gets Android for free. So please enough with the hysteria. There is no contradiction here whatsoever in what Google is doing. Articles like this just underline how many “journalists” we have out there today who need to be kicked back to remedial or stick to writing amateur blos. You cant just churn out junk like this and slap it on a website that purports to be a professional tech news provider. Go and learn about the sector you are writing in. And then come back when you are ready for the big leagues. Ditto to editorial – if you can’t sport huge lumps of coal like this one, you really need to ask yourself some hard questions about whether you are qualified to for the job of filtering the junk out. Content like this is NOT going to help your long term chances of building a service that people will pay for.
 
Beezy said:
Hold up. Cellphone manufacturers don't get charged anything at all for the Android OS? Wtf?

Nope, anyone can grab the source code from here. Now, getting Google's apps onto the handset requires a separate licensing agreement. Also, the 30% cut that Google takes from sales of Market apps actually goes straight to the carriers.
 
Andrex said:
Nope, anyone can grab the source code from here. Now, getting Google's apps onto the handset requires a separate licensing agreement. Also, the 30% cut that Google takes from sales of Market apps actually goes straight to the carriers.
Oh ok, now I see why it's getting popular so quick. Thanks for actually answering.
 
http://www.cellpassion.com/news/2010/1/21/seven-upcoming-htc-android-phones-leaked-.aspx

  • HTC Espresso: QWERTY keyboard, 320×480 pixel display
    G1/Dream successor?

  • HTC Huangshan: No physical keyboard, 320×480 pixel display
    Hero/Droid Eris/Magic successor?

  • HTC Liberty: No physical keyboard, 320×480 pixel display
    Hero/Droid Eris/Magic successor?

  • HTC Halo: QWERTY keyboard version of the Tattoo
    Tattoo with keyboard (obviously.)

  • HTC Paradise: QWERTY keyboard, 240×400 pixel display
    Successor to the Tattoo.

  • HTC Legend: No physical keyboard, 320×480 pixel display
    Hero successor?

  • HTC Supersonic: No physical keyboard, 480×800 pixel display
    Nexus One successor with Android 3.0?
Those are my thoughts, anyways. This almost definitely confirms the Supersonic. If it does launch with 3.0, it'll be at the end of the year, and it'll be another "Google phone," sold by Google. Probably has an AMOLED screen and Snapdragon processor too.
 
The Mobile World Congress is going to be fascinating this year. I've been considering upgrading from my Hero to the Nexus One, but i don't want to buy if there's something even more amazing just round the corner. The Supersonic is sounding very, very interesting. I like the look of the Bravo with the optical trackpad, but according to its stats it'll have way less ram than the Nexus One which puts me off slightly.
 
Definitely, MWC should be an explosion of Android. Last year was a bit disappointing but I'm expecting this year Android will clean up nicely.

On a side note, I'm expecting the 2010 hardware thread to be done before it happens. Part of me doesn't want so many new Android devices announced, more work to do. :lol
 
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