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Angry Joe: Major Nelson Interview (Xbox One) E3 2013

The more I listen and the more I start reading between the lines, its looking more like you can only lend a game once only (it would certainly fit with their other policies better).

So the whole you can lend to 10 friends is sounding like putting a nice face mask on one ugly bitch
 
I love Joe. I honestly think he makes really decent points even when he's ranting like crazy, not a lot of people can actually still make decent points amongst raging like that.

Sadly this interview did not go well for either party. Joe's lack of experience with dealing with PR pressured interviews really played against him here. It's small stuff really, like I almost feel that he cuts off the guy constantly. Either by moving the to next topic (which we can now say was brought on by pressure from the controllers) or by moving the mic away from Nelson mid sentence.

Clearly Nelson has a spin agenda and grabbing the mic off him was super douchey. But how much of that was brought on by frustration? Then again one of them is a press trained public figure and the other is a dude with a youtube channel. You would think Nelson would know by now how to deal with someone that's not part of the system.

I mean it might subtle stuff, brought on by pressure, but there was a lot of passive aggressive tones between the two.

Having said that, holy crap is Nelson a spin master. Good on you Joe!
 
When Nelson stole the microphone to say "Do you? Are you on the development team?" I just couldn't take it anymore. Such impolite arrogance!
MS sure knows how to sell the PS4/wii U.
 
Poor Joe man, he is not lawyer, he is not the xbone software architect, 5 minutes more and Mayor Nelson would say he is not gamer either.

You have to believe man, that's MS aproach. Believe!!! In da cloud!! Believe!!! In da future.
 
He did ask the hard questions, and he was going to ask more but he was cut of by MS PR. Angry Joe did his best under the circumstances and asked tough questions. Undoubtedly he has been blacklisted by Microsoft now and should not expect another interview in the future.

You're right he did ask some, nelson tried his hardest to interupt him mid question but he kept talking.
He let him weasel out of most of the questions though (with some slight protesting) , especially the drm on/off switch, the fact that these 'features' are just restrictions etc.

But look at how stressed and apologetic he is, especially in the video he did BEFORE this (right after e3)

This guy doesn't even make a living off these interviews and he is pissing his pants, now imagine all the PR rephrasers that make a living off of the crumbs they get fed by publishers, ms and sony...
They probably get bullied even more and they have no spine at all and are too self interested to give up their easy material and benifits and ad money.
 
The more I listen and the more I start reading between the lines, its looking more like you can only lend a game once only (it would certainly fit with their other policies better).

So the whole you can lend to 10 friends is sounding like putting a nice face mask on one ugly bitch

Im thinking its a timed experience. Play for a few hours then get asked to buy a license. How else can they counter balance losing "10 potential sales".
 
Joe is OK guys, he's got more nuts than most of these guys on major publications.

You think Arthur Gies would even ask anything of this nature.

Joe is still green at this sort of thing, Keighley tore him apart years ago in his first interview
 
I love Joe. I honestly think he makes really decent points even when he's ranting like crazy, not a lot of people can actually still make decent points amongst raging like that.

Sadly this interview did not go well for either party. Joe's lack of experience with dealing with PR pressured interviews really played against him here. It's small stuff really, like I almost feel that he cuts off the guy constantly.!

It is the exact opposite.
Nelson wants to keep him from finishing his questions so he can spin them and Joe is unphased and FINISHES his question or point he is trying to make so he can ad all of the context needed.

He doesn't let himself be bullied AS MUCH as the other 'game junnalists', he still lets himself get walked over by these snakes but not nearly as much as the spineless games press.

He is a lot more professional than the polygon/giantbomb/kotaku people.

Tbh I think finally having a proper example of this PR pressure is a discussion worth having over in the games journalism doritos wainright thread.
 
MS is counting on A LOT of people buying it out of brand loyalty due to the 360s popularity. Amd frankly, Sony has an uphill battle even though they have a cheaper, more poweful system with no draconian DRM.

It is extrmely possible MS still walks the floor with Sony in U.S. and Europe on brand loyalty alone.

funny . i remember Sony saying the very same thing .

spoilers : it dind't work out so well for them .
 
It is the exact opposite.
Nelson wants to keep him from finishing his questions so he can spin them and Joe is unphased and FINISHES his question or point he is trying to make so he can ad all of the context needed.

He doesn't let himself be bullied AS MUCH as the other 'game junnalists', he still lets himself get walked over by these snakes but not nearly as much as the spineless games press.

He is a lot more professional than the polygon/giantbomb/kotaku people.

Tbh I think finally having a proper example of this PR pressure is a discussion worth having over in the games journalism doritos wainright thread.

Makes sense. I think you can read it from both ends though .. I mean with who was pushing to finish etc. But yeah, standing up to getting bullied was really nice. I also really enjoyed the end when he asks if Nelson would answer some more questions that will be emailed. Clearly the interview wasn't done from Joe's perspective heh
 
Look journalists. AJ asking all right questions, one after another, and all hard questions because it concerns a ton of people.

Loved that interview.

AngryJoe revenue does not depend on the industry he covers. That YouTube independence will even faster put all the professional outlets on the spot as the indies will keep asking what the journalists don't dare to.
 
In my opinion, the "Angry" facet of Angry Joe is a bit of a misnomer; he does way better when he's calm and collected than when he's pushing the "angry" gimmick. What he does more shows to me that it's a form of passion for gaming than anger a lot of the times.

Definitely agree, one of the best videos I've seen linked is his critique of Mass effect 3's ending, which was really calmly stated and almost low key, but came across really well because of it.
 
Fantastic interview but Joe, ironically, is way too nice to interview the big dogs. It's understandable given the high pressure situation, but a more didactic approach when asking questions ("Can you do this? Why not? Why is the completion able to do this? Why not give consumers a choice?") is the only way to get answers out of people who, if given the chance, will remain as vague as possible. It's far from easy, but it's the only way that you can avoid being put on the backfoot.
 
Ok the big-ass corporations, the development processes, the AAA-production-value industry but... AJ's interview made me think about how disconnected all that is from gamers' reality.

The guy is a gamer, asking these people questions a gamer would ask them and you can see how they just tell him to shut up and move on to the next subject.
I may be extremely naive, but that show has been truly underwhelming for me. Can they really do that and still expect gamers will throw their money at them for the years coming?
 
Part 2 is even better.

He has his own way of saying things, but he hits a lot of good points. The more I think about it, the Xbox One is a disaster.
 
Why wouldn't you be thinking about that? Should people not worry about the coverage of a new car at 50,000 miles because they haven't even driven it off the lot yet?

No, because a car is extremely expensive and is important for your safety and your job and your life and your children. If a game console MIGHT not load some of your games from 8 years ago, it's not the end of the world. Like I said, it's nice to know how seriously Microsoft will take this digital age thing and if support for it is a never ending importance. But it is just weird getting riled up about it or putting that much thought/care into it...

(also can we stop with the car analogies when it comes to games? (Also no, DLC is not like the dealer locking your glove-box and making you pay for it either people))

well buddy, just finished playing oddworld on ps1... loved the experience ... one that may not be permitted in the future so i think there are legitimate concerns here and having a dont worry about it till later attitude doesnt solve the problem
 
Correct - so we actually learned two things:

-Used game can only be given to a friend once and this friend is stuck with the game
-Only one person in a "Family" can play a game at a given time - no concurrent usage as many had hoped

They really need to come out and say exactly what their policy is, but yeah from the interview it does seem like this is what they will do.
 
Im thinking its a timed experience. Play for a few hours then get asked to buy a license. How else can they counter balance losing "10 potential sales".

Its a possibility. I cant think of any other reason why the person who is borrowing a game is required to authenticate every hour online, instead of the 24hr log in.

Considering how many games can be finished within 5 hours, an hourly charge isn't that far fetched.
 
Ah Youtube...
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This entire forum is essentially the opposite of this. There's a PS4 satisfaction thread (that people are posting in to keep bumped and visible, full of messages that read very similar to this youtube comment) for fuck's sake. There's no high horse for Gaf to look down on anyone from right now, if you ask me. Not even youtube.
 
This entire forum is essentially the opposite of this. There's a PS4 satisfaction thread for fuck's sake. There's no high horse for Gaf to look down on anyone from right now, if you ask me. Not even youtube.

Uhm, there's an Xbox satisfaction thread, too.. Just saying.
 
Wait, so now you can only share with a friend once and the game is theirs forever?
 
Yup, and a Vita, Wii U, 3DS one...dunno what that guys point was.
Those systems are already out. What was your point again?

I didn't see the Xbone one because it hasn't been bumped recently

But yes, the existence of the PS4 thread wasn't the best point. There still isn't a place for Neogaf to be looking down on Youtube in the console war right now, which was the actual point, however weak that support was.
 
Major Nelson's point about sharing his games with his son who's at college is kinda dumb since, chances are, his son's college dorms wouldn't allow any consoles to connect to the internet anyway. He wouldn't be able to play the Xbox One at all.
 
Major Nelson's point about sharing his games with his son who's at college is kinda dumb since, chances are, his son's college dorms wouldn't allow any consoles to connect to the internet anyway. He wouldn't be able to play the Xbox One at all.

Is america anti internet or something so many restrictions fucked up prices for shitty connection? No wonder google is rolling out their own network.
 
Is america anti internet or something so many restrictions fucked up prices for shitty connection? No wonder google is rolling out their own network.

Because napster happened... At least, that is when I remember it becoming a consistent issue with internet restrictions and dorms.
 
Unwatchable. And why is every dude with a mic now Angry Mike, Pissed Off Pete, Loud Larry or Entitled Evan.

And whats on homeboys cheek?
 
So if multiple products in a store were open to be bought by any user for free it wouldn't be too "opened"? How could the people who created the items make money from them?
I'm not saying this in terms of any consoles --- simply saying it in terms of what you said. That example I used above would be greatly pro consumer but from the people making the products, it would be "too opened".
The manufacturers would have thought out a way to make money by giving it away for free (Google Gives their Product for Free, they don't claim its too open), take Sony for example they use the razor and blades model for selling their consoles. And you don't fucking work for said company so stop trying to create a problem where there isn't one. Microsoft never once said if we remove DRM, our system will be too open. There is no such thing as too open, You created that idea in your head to justify your purchase, I don't know how many times i need to say it for you to get it. Microsoft's policy stem from the Xbox one being a digital only platform with a physical delivery system in place, the disk is used for install only like PC but without all the benefits of PC.
Haha, I don't work for MS or any of the other big game companies.
You don't think that Sony or Nintendo wants to nickel and dime you either?
I said the corporation, never specifically mentioned Microsoft so you can pretty much put in any company name in there. I'm not stupid and gullible enough to believe any corporation would let me share my digital library of games with 10 people unlimited but I can share my physical library with 100 people if i chose.
I never said it was a good thing. I simply said that publishers wouldn't have to worry about it as much as you are making it out to be since many wouldn't be able to take full advantage of it.
Few weeks before Microsoft released their game license policy, you amongst many were screaming Sony would do the same thing because Publishers wanted a DRM filled console so STFU about what Publishers want and don't want. In an ideal world, publisher would like everyone to pay for every game but we don't live in an ideal world. Microsoft puts in an artificial internet requirement to use their console which cuts out a shit ton of people so Publishers wouldn't worry about people sharing their games with friends? Such stupid way of thinking.
Um... it's more in terms of who I can share things with on consoles. 2 < 10. Kindergarten math.
-10+2=-8 this is the PR math they are using. I give you 10 Apples but you can only eat 2, how many Apples do you have? A child will say 10 but a grown up will say 2 because those remaining 8 are useless.
More info needs to be given about both systems but like I said before, if I can share my games with more people than just 2 and get games faster with faster updates then I'll still say that the Xbox One will seem to be the better system for digital.
You can only share your games with only 1 person at any given time per their policy
You say you don't care but yet you keep on replying to me, even when you previously said you were "done". YOU CARE.
I replied to you specifically because i don't like people who make up things.
1. you made up this idea of too open
2. you made up this idea that PSN is less open,
3. you made up this idea that publishers don't like PS4 having a less restrictive physical platform and an equally open digital platform
4. you made up this idea that XLive is more open for letting you share your games with 10 people while in reality you can only share with 1 at a time.
Again, you aren't me. Your assumption that I made up my mind before I learned details about the family plan is stupid, immature, and wrong.
No i'm not you, I don't need to make up false stories to justify my purchases.
Good interview.

Yeah major nelson stated many of his answers with PR twist/terms but that's his job.

Overall, it still seems to me that Xbox is giving more people options to share digitally than physically while it's vice versa for the PS4.

Sony would never allow a family plan similar to what's (supposedly) coming on to the Xbox One. The PS4 is already opened as it is when it comes to physical discs. The Xbox One could do things like the family share plan because of its restrictions on discs.

If the PS4 had the family plan ON TOP of not having any restrictions on games on discs, then things would be too opened. Keeping things the way they are now with discs + the family plan = a ton of people sharing/pirating games instead of buying them. Publishers wouldn't support the PS4 at all if that happened.

The Xbox One could drop the DRM issues but if they did, the family plan would have to go (for the same exact reasons I stated above).

But yeah, it seems like this next gen is physical (PS4) vs. digital (Xbox One). Choose what's best for you and then go from there.

Or, if you want all of the games, get both. :)
Such STUPIDITY and Pretzel logic filled false equivalency
I guess you would be surprised if you knew how I was acting after Sony's E3 conference.
Heh, I'm not interested in it because I think that 10 people could play at the same time (knew from the get-go that wouldn't be possible). I'm interested in it because me and 10 others could save a lot of money. 10 other people = more people (obviously) = more games to try out/share.
Then it is not 10 family share plan, it is false to claim 10 people can share but then say only 1 person can play. If you believe that then i'd like to sell you oxygen, Sony can also say 20 people can share but only 2 can play at the same time and it still wouldn't make any sense since the limit is just 2.
That's you/your opinion then.
It is a fact,
1. PS4 lets people without internet play games. FACT
2. PS4 lets people buy digital games. FACT
3. PS4 has less restrictions. FACT
I'm not trying to spin anything.
10 is more than 2 is it not?
Oh but you are, your first post in this thread was trying to compare PS4 to Xbox one with some idiotic false equivalency.
Peace... again... before you come back and reply to me again even though "you don't care".
I don't care about your purchase, you don't need to make up Bad Sony to justify your purchase which is why i replied to you.
 
Are you suggesting that people are only posting in that thread so that it'll stay on the front page? Doesn't that seem a bit silly?
No, I just meant that people were posting in it at the time so it was on the front page and therefore easily visible. I can see where you would get that though, my bad. The Xbone thread was not visible so I didn't know there were two "satisfaction" threads for consoles nobody owns when I made my comment.
 
I always thought he just didn't have a PS3, but in the 2nd video he said he never owned any PlayStation system ever (not even the PS2) and is "Xbox Veteran" (and I guess he don't own any Nintendo system as well).

I wonder if these "Xbox Veterans" who will never get any other system are the reason Microsoft went with all the bullshit in Xbox One, as they know they have super loyal fans who will not buy other systems no matter who good they are.
 
Major Nelson's point about sharing his games with his son who's at college is kinda dumb since, chances are, his son's college dorms wouldn't allow any consoles to connect to the internet anyway. He wouldn't be able to play the Xbox One at all.
dude who the hell you think makes up the dudebro demographic?!?!?!
 
Major Nelson's point about sharing his games with his son who's at college is kinda dumb since, chances are, his son's college dorms wouldn't allow any consoles to connect to the internet anyway. He wouldn't be able to play the Xbox One at all.
actually most college does have internet connection in the dorms but the connect is pure crap. Xbox One require at least 1.5MB connection and you won't get at college
 
Joe is one of my favourite YouTube guys- I think he's come on in leaps and bounds since he started out.

It was a while before i started to enjoy his work, idk, at first i just found the way he did reviews to be annoying but now i enjoy watching his stuff and actually it was his first appearance on the TGS podcast that made me give him a second look. The guy just seems really genuine and has an incredible amount of enthusiasm for games.
 
The Xbone has to be the most complicated console ever designed (in a bad way).

If MS execs and GAF are having trouble understanding how all this works, I fear for the casual gamer....

Those systems are already out. What was your point again?

I didn't see the Xbone one because it hasn't been bumped recently

But yes, the existence of the PS4 thread wasn't the best point. There still isn't a place for Neogaf to be looking down on Youtube in the console war right now, which was the actual point, however weak that support was.

I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, some Neogaf members make blanket statements like that, but most don't. Neogaf has always be anti DRM and anti anti-consumer policies, no one's picking on poor old MS here, MS made their own bed.
 
It was a while before i started to enjoy his work, idk, at first i just found the way he did reviews to be annoying but now i enjoy watching his stuff and actually it was his first appearance on the TGS podcast that made me give him a second look. The guy just seems really genuine and has an incredible amount of enthusiasm for games.

Based on this interview, can't say I'm a fan. He is definitely genuine and enthusiastic, but eh...
 
MS better acquire / build the best in class IT operations team for X1 auth model. One widespread issue resulting in single player disruption will be a PR disaster.

That's the risk.
 
No, I just meant that people were posting in it at the time so it was on the front page and therefore easily visible. I can see where you would get that though, my bad. The Xbone thread was not visible so I didn't know there were two "satisfaction" threads for consoles nobody owns when I made my comment.

Yeah, the Xbox One was actually made before the PS4 one.
 
I want to see Louis Theroux interview Major Nelson. If Nelson acted like that with Louis the awkward silences would be amazing lol!

Joe asked some really good questions. The PR speak was so cringeworthy.
 
Yeah, the Xbox One was actually made before the PS4 one.

Yep, it was all a grand response. The original 'satisfaction' thread was in response to the deluge of negative X1 threads. The PS4 'satisfaction' thread was in response to the X1 'satisfaction' thread.

The result is that we spend more time arguing about game policies than actual games. It's PoliGAF for gaming.

EDIT: I am as guilty as most. I need to play some games...
 
Major Nelson's point about sharing his games with his son who's at college is kinda dumb since, chances are, his son's college dorms wouldn't allow any consoles to connect to the internet anyway. He wouldn't be able to play the Xbox One at all.

When I was in college housing for 3 years I had to do some loops to get the internet working on my 360, had to log in to the network using my pc then feed the internet through a second ethernet port, and on top of that in years 2 and 3 I was in a shared appartment building with heavy internet caps, 500mb a day.

I managed but no way I would want an xbox one in that situation.
 
I'm not sure what your point is. Yes, some Neogaf members make blanket statements like that, but most don't. Neogaf has always be anti DRM and anti anti-consumer policies, no one's picking on poor old MS here, MS made their own bed.
I think plenty of people are picking on MS here. I also think they deserve it. I'm not trying to stick up for them, I'm just commenting that I and others have perceived NeoGaf to be on Sony overdrive right now and it seems ill-advised to quote specific comments from places like Youtube when you can find the same level of fanboyism going on right here at home, running rampant for Sony right now.

Maybe I ought not to have brought it up, it just irks me when I see NeoGaf members laughing specifically at the idiocy of specific other places like Youtube and GameFAQs when I see things just as bad in every thread here. You say most members don't behave that way, but my perception is that an awful lot do. Likewise, there are level-headed users on all of these sites. *shrug*
 
When Major Nelson didn't agree with Joe's assumption that the 24 hr check in could be easily shut off, it made me worry. If it's not an easy feature for the dev team to disable, this strengthens fears of what would happen to the system and the games you purchase for it when Microsoft no longer supports it. You would think that they could change a value on a variable at the end of the console's life cycle that disabled the DRM so that you would always be able to play the games you purchased. If that's not the case then there is significant risk that one day in the future your Xbox One would just be a useless brick.
 
Yea, I subscribed to Joe just a week ago after watching his Xbone rants and some of the video reviews he did, like the Metro one. Best youtube videogames channel. Only wish I knew the dude in real life.
 
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