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[hey_monkey]

Would discard this track of thought for two reasons

a) fluff is fluff
b) Pop Mafia (which I moderated), I gave the neutral fake name claims (along with scum o'course).

It seemed like the roles were related to the characters, at least a little, but if not.... Good to know. Thank you.

 

[cabot]

I'm to-ing and fro-ing on reading day end behaviour as scum or weird town, but I shall vote here before bed:

VOTE: BlackBuzzard


Perhaps now there is time, you can go over the day end events in a bit more detail to sort of help me decide what the hell happened.

 

[squidyj]

Scum just love jumping onto five person bandwagons.

you were the lynch that scum should have been jumping on. strange that zubz died instead.

 

[ultron87]

you were the lynch that scum should have been jumping on. strange that zubz died instead.

Or maybe they didn't care because we were both town.

 

[Swamped]

Ha-HA! WE'VE FOUND YOU, SCUM!

VOTE: Swamped

And yeah I 'm not sure anyone can buy Poltergust's "woe is me i'm a newbie" schtick anymore, not after that ludicrous display yesterday.

yeah so poltergust is scum, yeah? probably means haly is scum.

Squidy can you elaborate on the link you have between the two? I was suspicious of Haly, but didn't really link the two players.

Unsure about Poltergust. The abrupt turn from no-lynch to 'let's save Zubz' is suspicious, but I don't find it as suspicious as...almost every player who has posted today so far. He did vote for Kyan with some reasonable justification. So I don't think he was married to the idea of a no lynch (and that vote was very early in the game, post #119). To me, that's not a reason to scum read him. I want to see what else he has to say about Kyan. I'd also like to hear is opinion of squidy, whom he was also suspicious of.

I'm inclined to believe Ultron's claim. He might be hiding some aspect of his power, but it seems a really weird one for a neutral - I don't understand what a neutral would have to gain by voting after death (whereas every town vote counts towards lynching scum).

 

[Swamped]

Ohhh but wouldn't ultron's role be great as a scum role? Extra scum votes are detrimental to town especially later in the game.

 

[Haly]

Does ultron's role show him to be a clear town?

Argument can be made for neutral.

Scum is unlikely.

I think he's pretty firmly town, just based on the power claim, which makes sense, and isn't so outlandish that it would be a solid scum claim (don't WIFOM me on this). His power would be really strong as scum, maybe too strong, in a LyLo or MyLo situation, if he could take the hit and then vote anyway.

As a town power it has interesting applications but it's not gamebreaking.
As a scum power it's a balance nightmare and I think a bear main season wouldn't be so crazy.

For large games it makes sense to sprinkle around weaker power roles because the more strong power roles there are the more extreme the results.

Anyway ultron is town for me, I cannot even fathom a neutral with a power like this except as some kind of lyncher? Ghost lyncher? Mite be cool but not convincing.

 

[Haly]

For me, scum on the Zubz train would be WAMD or Kyanrute (or both) but they have decent alibis beyond their reads or whatever the hell. WAMD because she was in a tenuous second place position so it's effectively a defensive vote, and she wouldn't be the kind to cause a tie (unlike a certain cabot I can mention what the fuck was that). Kyan is kyan and it was a kyan vote as kyan votes kyan.

 

[TheExodu5]

Alright. Caught up and good to go (for the most part).

Reading over the votes, I immediately thought kyan and Ultron were both scum. Ultron was under the gun and kyan got the ball rolling on another vote, being careful to not be the first to vote. That being said, the fact that scum killed SkyOdin is incredibly puzzling, since it narrows down the list and actually puts more suspicion on kyan. I don't think scum would want that...but newbie scum may not have thought it through.

Still not sure what went on with Dusk's secret chat shenanigans. There's an alterior motive at work there and I can't figure out what it is.

And then there's squidy. I thought he may be a commuter baiting a kill, but then the commuter winded up dead. Either he's town baiting for responses, or it's a scum/neutral gambit of some kind. In any case, I feel like a dead commuter puts more suspicion on him at this point.

 

[cabot]

Swamped on monkey:

In response to oreo throwing shade at monkey:

Interesting read. From a perfunctory read of the thread so far i felt similarly about her, but I'll be reading the thread tomorrow morning to really get a good opinion of her.

Later on in Day 1:

On the other hand Monkey's reads post gives me town vibes. It really felt like a genuine dissection of every players posts. Of course, this is something a good scum can replicate, especially on D1, but I think there is very little parroting in her posts. Leaning town.

Today:

Unsure about Poltergust. The abrupt turn from no-lynch to 'let's save Zubz' is suspicious, but I don't find it as suspicious as...almost every player who has posted today so far.

Yo, what's your current read on monkey?

For me, scum on the Zubz train would be WAMD or Kyanrute (or both) but they have decent alibis beyond their reads or whatever the hell. WAMD because she was in a tenuous second place position so it's effectively a defensive vote, and she wouldn't be the kind to cause a tie (unlike a certain cabot I can mention what the fuck was that). Kyan is kyan and it was a kyan vote as kyan votes kyan.

lol come at me bro.


I caused a tie with around ~30 minutes before deadline, nothing wrong with forcing others to make a decision.


If you read to the end you'd see that I also broke a tie before deadline.

 

[Haly]

I'm getting deja vu because I was once an odd-night commuter baiting a kill and I was in the same game as squidy back then, our first game, those halcyon days, so now I realize squidy could be, well, an even-night commuter trying the same bait.

So I think that makes him town-ish as well.

Or maybe he's just a cop ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[cabot]

I don't really understand squidy's D1 play from the perspective of an even night commuter.


I can say this because I have been one before, and I essentially played more restrained on odd days, and heightened aggression in the even days, not the other way around.

 

[cabot]

Kyan is kyan and it was a kyan vote as kyan votes kyan.

Well thanks for that.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Konichiwa

I'm driving home I'll be around later tonight~~~

(´ε｀*)

 

[hey_monkey]

So here are my thoughts. Might be messy because I did it in word.
sorry. ｍ（｡≧ _ ≦｡）ｍ

I think there are cupids but – and this may be a total misread because that’s another power I’ve never seen before – I think it’s more a combination harem/cupid, or both. I think there will be times when certain genders are forced to act or are restricted from acting in certain ways.

I’m guessing Cupids because of shipping, first, and because there’s something weird in my fluff desc (unrelated to anything else about it – just of all the ways this character could have been described, that choice makes me wonder). BUT it might be the totally wrong tree and I’m just barking away.

01. [m] oreomunsta – Waiting to see how oreo develops now that we’ve lost some people. I especially want to know what oreo says about ultron87 now, because of this:

Good criticism of the ultron votes, monkey! I wouldn't disagree with you if I were in your place, but I need to explain why I'm voting for ultron.

There are a lot of suspicious activities already going around. Some of these, though, I don't feel lead to a solid conclusion that the people behind them are scum. For example, those that choose to not lynch are suspicious, alright, but if you put yourself in the shoes of a scum player, would you have done something like that? I'll repeat what I said earlier, and that it feels like they put their bets on the table early, and walked away without a good explanation. Why would a scum player do something like that?

My big concern, that I purposefully haven't voiced until now, are the players that are active, but not saying much. Maybe I may have missed some info in the last few pages, but I don't feel like ultron has said a whole lot, yet his presence is felt. That concerns me heavily. On top of that, he's been noted for being an expert Gafia player, with a high win streak. This tells me he knows what he's doing, and he's confirmed that it's his M.O. Why would a Town player remain elusive? It's an anti-Town behavior, because we need to play and stick together.

All that being said, while I do agree, in action, agree with the other ultron votes, the voters have not left my sight. In particular, Dusk is still a significant concern to me, but he's not the prime concern right now, because his actions have spoken loudly. Squid is tricky on purpose, so I need to see more of him as we go on

03. [it] hatmoza - not sure yet. Doubt scum.
04. [f] hey_monkey – am still me
05. [m] rac - here's what I said before: Dry wit, not sure he’s trying to make people like him. Really not sure overall if it’s just new player finding his way or if he’s trying to be overcautious, which would read scum. - would agree, but lean townish because some productive moments that seemed designed to help, not hurt.

06. [m] 30yearsofhurt – I was concerned about 30years until his explanation and while I still want to know more about why he found Zubz suspicious, I believe he’s just genuinine used to playing a different way. Could be biased/fake read because I’m also not used to all these weird roles, but for now, off my list. Also SkyOdin was against voting for 30 and right now I trust the townies who are gone.
07. [m] Poltergust – suspicious as hell for reasons that we’ve talked to death. I think day 2 behavior will be telling and I’m gonna watch.
08. [m] Bowlie – Some weird behavior at the end but not really enough to read. Also a day2 watch.
10. [m] Palmer_v1 – Seems interested in learning something. Pushes productively. Asks good questions. But it’s sometimes a strike and run to strike again. I don’t know if that’s in line with town. It’s like a more focused version of Kyanrute, but since Palmer’s more productive, I think, lower on my watchlist.
11. [m] ultron87 – for now, I trust the claim. I also agree with this post and it makes me further believe neutral or town:

30's "no lynch, Im out!" seems like bad enough of an idea that I can't imagine someone being advised by other scum team members would do it. Of course they could just be not being super communicative or not running stuff by each other.

12. [m] cabot – may be a mistake, but for now I trust cabot. Seems helpful to me and maybe a little snarky but not in a way that raises my suspicions. Even-handed. Seems to want to figure things out. Could be scum faking. But there are so many others who just seem genuinely unconcerned that cabot is either genuine town or a real good faker. Y’all will know more than I. If ultron87 is scum, which I guess is possible (I believe him for now), then they could have cooked it up between them but it seemed hurried and I think if it had been planned it would have gone down just a little bit earlier.

14. [m] Dusk Soldier – Shared my read on Kyan at the end. Made me suspect him a little less. I don’t think it was a ploy switch (unless Kyan’s town and Dusk isn’t) because there were only a few people making noise about voting for Kyan. Dusk is on my watch list regardless, but I’m not carrying that banner anymore – for now. Did also reach out to ultron87 and Zubz for a sort of alliance.

I think this post to hatmoza is worth remembering, though I don’t know yet if it means anything:

From this group of players, i would say that Swamped-hime, and the_Exodu5-kun are the most analytical.

Maybe Ultron87-kun as well. I have only played with half the players here before though.

SkyOdin-kun and Haly-kun are both coming across as fairly analytical and serious, though I've never played with either before.

15. [m] Cewyn – Man, I don’t know. Some suspicious deflecting behavior, maybe coasting, maybe hiding something, maybe just wasn’t very active d1. Defended Dragonz. Maybe for good reasons, maybe not. Voted Stanley for… I don’t know. Feelz.
16. [m] BlackBuzzard – My gut is a town lean for now but I don’t think we’ve seen enough to be sure. Even though you voted for me. (ﾟ´Д｀&#65439ﾟ
17. [m] Haly – I don’t know. I wonder if some of the reads on Haly came from past games and known behavior. I don’t have much of a read yet.
18. [m] squidyj – Was super impressed with squidy during live mafia and think he’s a player to watch. I really have no idea. I lean town because he seems genuinely interested in pushing for a solution but he’s a great liar and a fast thinker. Will need to track his behavior carefully because he’s gonna zig zag, but it’ll be productive.

19. [m] TheExodu5 – I’d like to see more here.
20. [f] WhereAreMahDragonz – I have voiced suspicions before so I’m gonna wait to see how she develops on d2.
21. [f] Swamped – Not the most active, but I feel like all her posts are productive. But they could be scum cover. There’s not a huge amount of direct engagement. My gut is to trust her for now.
22. [m] StanleyPalmtree – I know some people have feelings here but I don’t really yet.
23. [m] Kyanrute – Is my #1 right now. Does not seem at all interested (yet?) in anything but creating noise and chaos. Even the questions to people aren’t particularly helpful; they just seem designed to whip something up. I think there’s a difference between shitposting or being silly and instigating. Maybe Kyan is like squidy, but after playing liveMaf with squidy, I feel more confident in understanding squidy’s style. Kyan to me just feels like either neutral or scum. If Kyan was town, I figure we’d get at least a hint of more substance. In the wind-down on day 1, we got some dropping on easy targets (Poltergust),
On the other hand – was a little scattered with the finger-pointing (Dusk, Polter, others) and less focused. Not sure what that means. But it still seems more like waving tentacles and raising suspicion across the board and then helping hone in on a town target people had been building suspicion again.
On the OTHER OTHER hand, that suspicion started with SkyOdin (on Zubz).

 

[TheExodu5]

I think I'm just going to go with the simplest explanation...I tend to overthink things. -_-

kyan got the ball rolling to save ultron. Ultron is being truthful about his role, but it's scum aligned...I feel like that power simply makes more sense as a scum power than a town power.

Vote: kyanrute

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I think I'm just going to go with the simplest explanation...I tend to overthink things. -_-

kyan got the ball rolling to save ultron. Ultron is being truthful about his role, but it's scum aligned...I feel like that power simply makes more sense as a scum power than a town power.

Vote: kyanrute

Then why not cut out the middle man and just vote for Ultron?

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Also where in the hell is all this current Kyan suspicion coming from?

 

[Dusk Soldier]

I'm surprised to see SkyOdin-kun bite it. Personally I was pretty suspicious of his day one play. I thought his helpful townie persona might have been fake, like a scum member hiding in plain site.

I was digging through his posts last night phase looking for evidence that I could use against him today, but actually didn't find anything incriminating. I guess it was a just a bad gut read.

It sucks to lose another PR, seems like town is already down 3, how many more could we really have left? I guess the only bright side is that I won't waste a day tunneling on a red herring.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

Looking over SkyOdin-kun's Role PM, it seems he knew for a fact that certain roles in the game can only target certain genders. Since it's extremely likely that one of such roles belongs to the scum team, they also knew this.

He must of said something to tip them off that he had a PR.

Although Ultron87-kun actually admitted to having a PR, it's a bit suspicious that scum didn't go for the more obvious PR...

 

[hey_monkey]

Looking over SkyOdin-kun's Role PM, it seems he knew for a fact that certain roles in the game can only target certain genders. Since it's extremely likely that one of such roles belongs to the scum team, they also knew this.

He must of said something to tip them off that he had a PR.

Although Ultron87-kun actually admitted to having a PR, it's a bit suspicious that scum didn't go for the more obvious PR...

Agreed. Maybe Ex is right and that's actually not a town-aligned position. But someone else above was talking about balance and that would be super powerful for scum.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

I was hoping someone else would go along, although that was probably too optimistic considering the limited time. =/

I was right in thinking that Zubz was town, though. I never quite understood why people starting voting for him in particular. What are the chances that at least one person who voted for him is scum?

Since the wagon was (presumably) town v. town, the scum team was likely sitting on their votes. The players that didn't move their votes around the last hour are the most suspicious right now.

However, this line of thinking has burned me in the past so I can't really rule anyone out.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

Also where in the hell is all this current Kyan suspicion coming from?

you're town reading Kyanrute?

 

[Poltergust]

Also where in the hell is all this current Kyan suspicion coming from?

Allow me to explain! It has to do with how Kyanrute survived last night, which forms the basis of my suspicion with him.

OK, so I understand that I'm currently on thin ice right now, especially with my actions towards the end of yesterday. Although it was not my intention, I almost made a tie happen. This is due to me putting my opinion on Kyanrute above all else. Because of this, I believe now that my fate going forward is directly tied to Kyanrute.

So, why was he not killed during the night phase? If he was town, there was absolutely no reason to not kill him and pretty much destroy any credibility I had going forward. It would be such an easy argument to make for a Day 2 lynch. It honestly makes no sense. Would the Mafia just safely go for someone some people considered to be town (SkyOdin) and relinquish the opportunity to control the next day's conversation? I simply cannot believe that they would pass it up.

Ultimately, there are four possibilities at play here for you guys:

1) I'm town and Kyanrute's scum. This is, of course, what I believe to be the case based on what has happened so far and I'm using my above argument to justify this.

2) I'm scum and Kyanrute's town and I'm basically BS'ing you guys.

3) We're both scum. This is the least likely scenario, since the only way this makes sense is that I'm attempting to play the long game here by going for a member of my team early on to establish trust with the town.

4) We're both town. This is obviously the worst-case scenario. If I get lynched and it's revealed I'm town, I have little doubt that Kyanrute would be next on the chopping block. Similarly, I'm also next to get lynched if, after everything I said, that Kyanrute is revealed to be town after he gets lynched. It could be that the Mafia predicted I would act this way and let me basically hang my own neck, but I'm not so sure about that.

Of course, the only two possibilities for me are #1 and #4, but it's not like I'm picking #1 at random. I think that scenario #1 is what is actually going on here because it just makes more sense. I'm sure that the Mafia can play 42nd-dimensional chess when the situation calls for it, but I feel that there was no need to mislead me when they could just outright destroy me.

Maybe I'm making too big of an assumption here, though. Maybe the link between me and Kyanrute isn't as strong as I make it out to be, and if I get lynched there is a possibility Kyanrute will emerge unscathed. Maybe the Mafia did not even consider what killing Kyanrute would mean for me.

But... while I am indeed putting all my eggs into one basket, I'm willing to see it through. Therefore...

Vote: Kyanrute

And yeah I 'm not sure anyone can buy Poltergust's "woe is me i'm a newbie" schtick anymore, not after that ludicrous display yesterday.

...Says the person who pressured me to change my vote.

 

[hey_monkey]

I do think the link between you two is more tenuous than you're interpreting, but I also agree that killing Kyanrute would have been a strong play. It would have thrown suspicion all over the place and probably been bad for town, creating new factions.

But since Kyan's probably scum, it didn't happen.

 

[Poltergust]

I do think the link between you two is more tenuous than you're interpreting, but I also agree that killing Kyanrute would have been a strong play. It would have thrown suspicion all over the place and probably been bad for town, creating new factions.

But since Kyan's probably scum, it didn't happen.

Yeah, my whole hypothesis is predicated on the assumption that whatever me and Kyanrute are revealed to be will affect the other.

Might as well roll with it, though. He's my strongest lead, after all.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

you're town reading Kyanrute?

No, but I find it odd that as soon as the day starts like a billion people come out of the woodwork and vote for him

 

[Kyanrute]

WILD NIGHT KYAN APPEARS

the heck is this link polter lol

everything you say feels so damn artificial

WILD NIGHT KYAN GOES TO BED

 

[Kyanrute]

I think I'm just going to go with the simplest explanation...I tend to overthink things. -_-

kyan got the ball rolling to save ultron. Ultron is being truthful about his role, but it's scum aligned...I feel like that power simply makes more sense as a scum power than a town power.

Vote: kyanrute

WILD NIGHT KYAN APPEARS...AGAIN

i got the ball rolling wat. im scummy because i made the 1st vote on a day one train that happened to make it to the end. my vote has no power being at the lead. if i want to do the heroic save, why wouldn't i conjure up a case on someone who already had a vote on them?

WILD NIGHT KYAN GOES TO BED...MAYBE

 

[Kyanrute]

He must of said something to tip them off that he had a PR.

you have no way of knowing this with certainty

fluff

 

[TheExodu5]

Then why not cut out the middle man and just vote for Ultron?

Because kyan is doing nothing but shitposting and I'm not really a fan. Too hard to get a read either way.

 

[Kyanrute]

Because kyan is doing nothing but shitposting and I'm not really a fan. Too hard to get a read either way.

no matter how many times this gets said, it just ain't true

yeah, i do shitpost but using the "WAAAAAAAAAA HE IS A TERRIIIBL SHITPSOTER" when you cba to read the post is just

ZZZZZZZZZ

 

[Kyanrute]

and i love how all this will be read as

HAHAAA he is now actually contributing!

CAUGHT YOU, SCUM

 

[Kyanrute]

quick glance told me that i had something like a slightly under 50/50 shitpost/superbqualitykyancontent post ratio on day one

i mean come on, that is a fair bit of effort on day one

and about a single infinity away from "nothing but shitposting"

 

[Dusk Soldier]

you have no way of knowing this with certainty

fluff

but I bet you do right?

 

[Kyanrute]

and now that i am aware that i am making too much of an effort

this is a shitpost

nanananaaaa

 

[Kyanrute]

but I bet you do right?

yes, i could quote the very post where he outed himself

but you'll have to wait until the game end to see that i guess. or death, whichever comes 1st.

and this post is not serious.

 

[Palmer_v1]

Long post catching up on the end of day and start of day shenanigans. Most important thing though:

Vote: Bowlie

Vote: Bowlie

That Nomadic Spark vote is such a scum copout cause they know we're not going to lynch Nomad today. This way bowlie leaves no useful vote trail behind.

I really think Bowlie is scum based on this copout that they stuck to for the rest of the phase while everyone gave them a pass.

I feel very strongly about Dusk Soldier but it looks like there is a contingent that is going to move for 30yearsofhurt. Dusk, for me, has been too specifically aggressive on some points and totally ignores argument/critique of it; I am not the only one to voice suspicion and he's just not engaging with it. That reads scum to me. I do like Palmer's reasoning on Bowlie above, too. But I also wonder if Bowlie was just a cop-out due to real life niece issues. You?

i kinda think monkey is scum as well. Does a lot of this type of posting where they don't actually commit to much of a stance, while trying to leave multiple outs. Also, this is admittedly based on only a single game of liva mafia, but monkey had a habit of jumping in to offer explanations for their scum teammates.

Ugh, I almost edited! I didn't mean Bowlie was a copout for Palmer but rather if Bowlie was too caught up in playing with niece to really pay attention to all the drama a Sparks vote would surely cause. Like that's a trap I don't think someone would have stepped in otherwise - unless it is a ploy. That one is a pendulum - there's no middle ground with Bowlie's vote. It's either ploy or oops.

More excuses for bowlie.

My vote yesterday had nothing to with him being banned or not. I spent the entire day thinking "if nomadic gives me another passive-aggressive response, I'll vote for him", and I only learned he was banned as I was reading his post by 1AM. I wouldn't be lying about real life stuff.

It was not a "I'll vote for him because he's banned and defenseless", it was a "I'll vote for him because I wanted a good answer since thursday and he has not given me one".

Basically admits it's not a useful vote, but doesn't change it? How the fuck is going to respond to any pressure while banned? We also know now that nomadic was town.

No one was accusing you of voting for Nomadic Sparks because he was banned, but there is no point expecting a response out of someone who just got banned. In my experience very few NeoGAF bans are for anything less than a week or two. Nomadic Sparks is already out of the game, and will be replaced by someone new probably at some point during the Night phase. If you want an answer out of Nomadic Sparks, you won't be getting it.

Your defense here doesn't actually address any of the concerns people have with your action.

SkyOdin, town, in agreement.

30's "no lynch, Im out!" seems like bad enough of an idea that I can't imagine someone being advised by other scum team members would do it. Of course they could just be not being super communicative or not running stuff by each other.

Gotta recheck this, but I tend to agree, and I'm fairly sure Ultron is town based on the claim and how voting went. I'll come back to this train of thought.

Im fine with taking my vote off Dragonz for this day but i still don't trust her and her fluffy posts.

non-commital crap. Kinda thing scum could do when they know no scum are in contention for lynching.

I can understand your Exodu5 vote, but at this rate TheExodu5 isn't even going to hit the 10 post per phase requirement. He claims that he has been busy traveling outside of the game, and I am inclined to respect and trust those claims. It is in the community's interest to keep up the honor system on such claims.

I am more concerned by Cewyn. He hasn't made any sort of excuse, is just barely above the post limit, and has not made much in the way of meaningful contributions to the game. If we are going to target someone for inactivity, Cewyn is a better candidate in my book.

I don't know what to make of cewyn either, but I always have that problem with him and a few similar posters.

You're right, I won't get answers from him now, but for most of this phase I have not felt as negative about someone's behavior as Nomadic's, who ended up accepting being lynched; that's just where my thoughts landed.

AGAIN! Bowlie admits the nomadic vote isn't really useful, but refuses to change to anything.

Polter, you're hiding something... But I do believe you're Town, so voting for you wouldn't be best.

Vote: ultron87

Just randomly throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. I have to watch oreo more.

I'm super suspicious of the ultron87 votes without any backup, and here's why: Dusk Soldier and squidy have both voted ultron currently. Both are suspect in my eyes - squidy kicked off a kerfuffle that was distracting but that did require some solid analysis in between the mess, and I know I'm banging a drum on Dusk Soldier, but speaking of coasting - he's thrown a couple grenades, has not defended his actions there even though it's been discussed and he has not addressed my repeated calls to look at him. oreo is new, but a few people have seen him as suspicious. Now he's on the ultron train. This feels scummy to me.

Dusk is not one of the lowest posters, and has said some helpful things, but the lack of engagement on other things feels like coasting. squidy, if scum, is bad news. These three together for... reasons? why are they voting? Feels shady.

That said, I agree with SkyOdin on who we can cut from the list of lesser posters. hatmoza in particular should get a pass here. I'd have to look back over Cewyn's posts myself and I have to go run some errands so I might not have time. I'm open to changing my vote but I remain confident in my analysis - as confident as one can be on this weird day one.

Further said - BlackBuzzard had initially sparked for me, but then I changed my mind. I don't have particular feelings about Cewyn and I'm inclined to give Bowlie a pass but could be convinced.

Look at this wishy washy bullshit. Giving himself excuses to come back and vote for half a dozen players.

VOTE: Zubz

BB is an alternative at least.

Mostly quoting as one of the votes that fucked Zuvz. I'm concerned with anyone on that list.

Vote: Zubs

I am concerned with his interaction with me in which he answered a question in defense of himself and then basically admitted that he fucked up. He didn't fight for himself, at all, and was the first to jump at the chance to explain himself. I see it as panicky scum behavior who is trying to appease an active player.

Then there's his vote for Rac-kun. It happened immediately after my interaction with him. He says he "voted for someone more useful" but never explained it. How is he more useful? He's a relatively inactive player but he's one that doesn't necessarily ring a whole lot of alarm bells at the moment. It feels like an easy lynch; one that will not garner a lot of attention if you vote on him, but yet, also gives the double appearance of trying to help town. Zubs-kun isn't trying to solve the game; he's merely trying to push and prod to appear active.

Zubs-kun's play is inconsistent with town behavior, coming from me, who has played scum quite a bit, and so I feel confident in voting for him.

Another of the zubz votes... sorta.

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Vote: Zubz

lol

To be honest, my vote on Zubz has mostly been a pressure vote to get more information out of him. While I am suspicious of him, it is still based on a pretty weak rationale: his involvement in the derail, and his very strange reaction where he jumped in to explain to Dragonz why I might have voted for him. He hasn't come back since to further explain, so I have been waiting.

Now that we are down to the wire though, two votes come out of nowhere to push Zubz into a tie for first. I don't think anyone can blame me for being suspicious of this. It doesn't help that both Kyanrute and Dragonz are on my scum watch-list.

Obviously town but still one of the voters. This makes me think we may not have had ANY scum on the zubz vote, cause scum probably wouldn't narrow down that list if they were on it.

I wouldn't be getting nervous if your thoughts were actually transparent in any way, shape or form.

You are making a show of being opaque and hard to read.

Quoting so I can refer to it later. I think scum may have killed skyodin for being on the right track somewhere. I certainly got no feels from sky that he was hinting at a PR. They may also have killed him for just being a generally good player though. WIFOM and all that.

I was going to reread the whole thread last night but then I got roped into live mafia and forgot about doing it. so instead I've been rereading Ultron's post history after voting for him in an attempt to shore up my opinion about him with some examples.

First of all, he missed major parts of a discussion which he blamed on skimming the thread at work. It can be hard to pay as much attention to all the threads going on when you're scum

Second of all he really seemed to buy into my cop claim and the idea that things would be definitive tomorrow. This reads to me like he's trying to set up a discussion tomorrow.

Third he argues "yeah i'm super suspicious but that's just how I am" which has always and continues to be a terrible argument for why you shouldn't be lynched.

FInally he hasn't done a whole lot of anything useful for town. He's made a couple minor corrections to misconceptions but beyond that I haven't seen anything particularly useful come from him.

Might be that I also hate D1, but I don't like this reasoning for going after Ultron. Feels like scum squidyj trying to take an opportunity to eliminate a veteran. There were people acting a lot more shady than ultron(BOWLIE!)

I think lynching Dragonz today is a big mistake.

I am however gonna change my vote to Stanley Palm Tree because... I don't have a good feeling about him in general, that's all.

Vote: Stanley Palm Tree

I don't think Cewyn is scum, but goddamnit. There's nothing here! Gotta help town more than this.

I am considering changing my vote from Dusk Soldier to Kyanrute. I may be suspicious of Dusk but I'm not sure it's scum behavior. It's hard for me to tell because I don't know what's typical. Kyanrute, though, seems in general to be acting against town interest.

Am open to being convinced in a number of directions, though.

More of that wishy washy shit.

Vote: Zubz

Between him and Ultron, I like Zubz less, but more practically he's the vote leader right now and I want to avoid a tie due to last minute minute vote shuffling.

The final zubz vote. I'm always most suspicious of the ones that jump on the the end of a bandwagon, though the reasoning is plausible, and as I said before, skyodin's death semi-clears these people for me.

You know, of all of the Day 1 ends I have been part of, this one is pretty tame so far.

It was relatively calm, which makes me think NONE of the top candidates were scum. This further clears Ultron and WAMD in my mind.

Not much I can do at this point. Zubz ducked out before answering my question yet again, and even if I was to swing my vote to Ultron, all that would do is cause a tie.

I don't even have a strong scum read on Ultron right now, so I can't even push for him in good conscience.

RIP. I can't remember if we were in a game together before, but you're good people.

Don't kill me. I'm town/anime. I'm Rukia, one of the Soul Reapers from Bleach.

My power is that when I die I get to vote during the next day phase privately by PM. So it isn't super good or anything, but people knowing about it doesn't really matter. However, it is better the later it triggers since it helps more when the scum vs town numbers are closer.

Sadly, this is one of those roles that is impossible to prove till I'm dead.

I don't have a particular reason to disbelieve this claim. It wouldn't be an OP role for town OR scum. Can't think of any reasonable wincon for a neutral with this power either.

SkyOdin dying is interesting, since he started the Zubz vote. Normally, I'd think they'd leave people that just lynched a townsperson alive, since they inherently become more suspicious. So that makes me think it is less likely that there are scum among the other three people there, since they just narrowed that list from 5 to 4.

Obviously I'm on that list too, but that was self defense. Sorry Zubz.

Could also have been a neutral/vigilante kill, since it does seem like a weird target for scum.




One thing I know after asking via PM is that my dead vote will count towards majority for early day end purposes, but it won't appear in in-thread vote counts. And I can change it via PM as much as I want during the day.

I hadn't thought about non scum kills yet. I hope sky wasn't from a town vig, cause fuck us if we have a bad town vig. A SK might have gone after him, which would make me think the SK wasn't one of the other zubz voters. this leads to the issue of whence did the scum kill go? I'll stick to occam and assume Sky is the scum kill.

[forgetting the highlight] was a mistake; I was on my phone and in a hurry. I'd said I was going to switch my vote and I was trying to get it in before deadline and forgot the highlight.

So I'm suuuuuper curious about the death of SkyOdin and why ultron wasn't targeted since we (and therefore also, they) could be mostly sure he was town.

So with the modkill on NS, town is down three. Not looking good, folks. Reallllll suspicious of all the people who were going after Zubz.

Ultron was outed as a relatively weak town PR, so I probably wouldn't have gone after him. Not to mention he makes a somewhat obvious choice for protective PRs and such. Also, the fact that you find the zubz votes suspect when i believe the exact opposite makes me worry about you further.

Vote: Ultron87

Fuckin nope.

Ha-HA! WE'VE FOUND YOU, SCUM!

VOTE: Swamped

Assuming you weren't serious, but please clarify if you are.

Does anyone actually believe Ultron survived on the strength of his ability to convince town players relative to Zubz and not because his scum buddies tipped the scales for him?

So you are implying the two people that were on ultron, but unvoted, were scum trying to bus their own teammate for no real reason? You're not that dumb. Voting did not go in a way that makes me believe Ultron got protected by scum teammates. Their would have just been a bigger bandwagon on Zubz before it ever got close to a tie. Really starting to think you're scum.

I'm to-ing and fro-ing on reading day end behaviour as scum or weird town, but I shall vote here before bed:

VOTE: BlackBuzzard


Perhaps now there is time, you can go over the day end events in a bit more detail to sort of help me decide what the hell happened.

I gotta look back at him more specifically, but please add more if you can.

I'm getting deja vu because I was once an odd-night commuter baiting a kill and I was in the same game as squidy back then, our first game, those halcyon days, so now I realize squidy could be, well, an even-night commuter trying the same bait.

So I think that makes him town-ish as well.

Or maybe he's just a cop ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

What? Why would squidyj bait the scum kill on N1 if he was an even night commuter?



Anyway, after all of that, I'm 100% sold on Bowlie or monkey lynches. I'm not really sure why skyodin was the NK target, other than just being someone who probably wasn't going to get protected in any way. Plus whatever the fuck I missed while I was typing this.

 

[Palmer_v1]

For anyone voting Kyanrute, can you please tell me why him instead of Bowlie?

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Just a quick thought on this owl guy before I go silent for the next 20 hours again.
It 'appears' Nomadic was town and was banned for another thread misdemeanour. He was then replaced by someone else who was 'town'. Is this normal for GAF mafia to declare a replacement as town? (If this owl thing is his replacement). If he was scum and the replacement had to be scum surely disguising it as town would be good for the sake of the game. Maybe I'm over thinking it. Anyway more football and travel for me today. Lest we forget. 30yoh

 

[Haly]

What? Why would squidyj bait the scum kill on N1 if he was an even night commuter?

I was thinking the first night would be WIFOM and then the second night would be the kill, but this was too WIFOM for me.

The other side is, you need to lay the foundation for the bait, and squidy claiming Day 1 is part of that foundation. He pulled the same shit in MiniMaf where he was setting up a cop claim before the claim, and he went with the "I'm the cop" opening in that game as well. I'm not saying he's scum this time for doing "I'm a cop" on D1, but I just see it as part of squidy's long term plan.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

Just a quick thought on this owl guy before I go silent for the next 20 hours again.
It 'appears' Nomadic was town and was banned for another thread misdemeanour. He was then replaced by someone else who was 'town'. Is this normal for GAF mafia to declare a replacement as town? (If this owl thing is his replacement). If he was scum and the replacement had to be scum surely disguising it as town would be good for the sake of the game. Maybe I'm over thinking it. Anyway more football and travel for me today. Lest we forget. 30yoh

not sure what you're talking about here. Nomadic hasn't been replaced.

 

[Poltergust]

For anyone voting Kyanrute, can you please tell me why him instead of Bowlie?

Well, I already gave my personal reasons why, but to add onto my earlier post:

1) Kyanrute hasn't contributed much of anything to the discussion. He's basically just popping in, saying something random or bare-bones (sometimes for a few posts in succession), then leaving before anyone can have a discussion with him.

2) He was on the list of people who lynched Zubz. This is, well, pretty self-explanatory.

Just a quick thought on this owl guy before I go silent for the next 20 hours again.
It 'appears' Nomadic was town and was banned for another thread misdemeanour. He was then replaced by someone else who was 'town'. Is this normal for GAF mafia to declare a replacement as town? (If this owl thing is his replacement). If he was scum and the replacement had to be scum surely disguising it as town would be good for the sake of the game. Maybe I'm over thinking it. Anyway more football and travel for me today. Lest we forget. 30yoh

?

Nomadic was modkilled because of his ban (most likely, anyways). He seemed to have always been town, and no one replaced him.

Ironically, if we voted to lynch Nomadic we'd currently have one more townsperson alive now, but no one could have predicted the modkilling.

 

[TheExodu5]

Agreed. Maybe Ex is right and that's actually not a town-aligned position. But someone else above was talking about balance and that would be super powerful for scum.

A single vote isn't super powerful for any team. But it's certainly more powerful for scum since they can induce/break ties secretively without town knowing.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

yes, i could quote the very post where he outed himself

but you'll have to wait until the game end to see that i guess. or death, whichever comes 1st.

and this post is not serious.

It just sounds to me like your saying that I (i.e. Dusk Soldier) have no way of knowing what happened in scum chat last night.

Which is interesting to me, because how could you possibly know something like that if you weren't there yourself?

 

[Burbeting]

Just a quick thought on this owl guy before I go silent for the next 20 hours again.
It 'appears' Nomadic was town and was banned for another thread misdemeanour. He was then replaced by someone else who was 'town'. Is this normal for GAF mafia to declare a replacement as town? (If this owl thing is his replacement). If he was scum and the replacement had to be scum surely disguising it as town would be good for the sake of the game. Maybe I'm over thinking it. Anyway more football and travel for me today. Lest we forget. 30yoh

The owl is just part of the flavor in the D2 opening post. Nomadic has been modkilled for reasons I can't discuss until end of the game, he has not been replaced.

 

[Haly]

Nomadic has been modkilled for reasons I can't discuss until end of the game,

THE GAME IS COMPROMISED TRUST NO ONE

 

[Poltergust]

Speaking of flavor, the way Zubz was killed is interesting. I'm not sure if this is important at all or just Burbeting being silly, but this is worth pointing out:

”It must be Zubz, Burbeting-Senpai!” said one of the younger anime characters. Zubz was carried to the main stage. ”Shall you eat this gajin scum?”

”What? No! Instead we shall cancel Zubz’ series!”

All anime characters in the crowd gasped for air. Cancelling a series is the worst thing that could happen for any anime! Especially for a one that didn’t even have it’s story finished yet (because all of the filler episodes are important too, you know.)

”Well then Zubz.” Burbeting stomped to the ground three times, and shouted. ”No more episodes for you!”

Zubz sobbed in agony, until they dropped down and died.

”I guess that’s a side effect of cancelling their series. Oh well, it can’t be helped.”

Does this mean that there can only be one character per series?

Well, if there are lovers, I guess they'd be part of the same series, but yeah.

 

[TheExodu5]

For anyone voting Kyanrute, can you please tell me why him instead of Bowlie?

Not a fan of the posting style. Same as blarg, I consider him a wildcard that will just muddy the waters under any circumstance. I think it's random and chaotic and makes it easy for a scum to get by without saying much of anything and just confusing.

Also, I think there are 2 distinct possibilities:

1) There are 2 scum on the zabz vote: kyan and ultron
2) There are no scum on the zabz vote

I wouldn't mind an outcome that narrows this down, since it either absolves or implicated 2 people.

The main question I have on my mind is: why would scum kill someone that voted out town? If there is scum on the vote, it only narrows things down and gives us a better chance of lynching scum. Could be intentional reverse psychology, could be a mistake by a newbie scum team, could be simply because SkyOdin was too good of a target regardless.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

I'm running on three hours of sleep and I am about to make a vey angry phone call to Sprint, so I won't be around much today. However, I do have reads incoming, so stay tuned.

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