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Suspicion on me doesn't automatically negate positive feelings about a poster.
Thanks. It's a bit suspicious to only have one scum read at this point in the game, especially when so many suspicious things have happened, hence my question to you. Most of your points seem a bit..derivative? As in other people have already made those points (Other players pointed out Squidy, Dusk and Bowlie before). It's fine to agree with people, but I feel like you didn't put too much thought into why you scumread them.
To you credit, you do explain your Kyan/Ultron connection in post 1138. I think this feels like a town post? But it's the kind of logic scum could use to justify their vote too. I'm definitely very unsure about you.
VOTE: squidyj
(see I can totally spell his name when I want to!)
My point was you said I was suspicious for defending Kyan, yet Swamped was a strong town read, then I quoted Swamped disagreeing with you and uh...defending Kyan.
Bold the entire sentence about you then. The Kyan defense is not my only reason for suspicion.
I don't think I've played with you before and that may well be your playstyle, but I still feel like sporadic voting just obfuscates your voting patterns and makes it harder to get a read on you. Same line of thinking as Kyan's shitposting...I feel like obfuscation is a tactic that can only help scum.
or scum wants to keep him alive because everyone is just saying he is shitposting and it allows you to tunnel on him even harder
I'm still collecting thoughts, but just to respond to this speculation on my role:
I think it'd be too powerful for Scum? Their minority number of votes and inability to vote without leaving evidence is one of the big balancing methods, so having someone that can vote without fear of revealing themselves would be super powerful. Especially near the end of the game.
It does seem a little odd, yeah. I think it might be this way so that I wouldn't have a method to communicate with the game from beyond the grave. Obviously (I assume) I won't be getting access to the spec thread to after my extra voting day is over, but avoiding any ridiculous communication attempts like "Ultron, unvote if you think X" might be for the best.
I think it'd be too powerful for Scum? Their minority number of votes and inability to vote without leaving evidence is one of the big balancing methods, so having someone that can vote without fear of revealing themselves would be super powerful. Especially near the end of the game.
It does seem a little odd, yeah. I think it might be this way so that I wouldn't have a method to communicate with the game from beyond the grave. Obviously (I assume) I won't be getting access to the spec thread to after my extra voting day is over, but avoiding any ridiculous communication attempts like "Ultron, unvote if you think X" might be for the best.
Poltergust
Member
Huh? Vote without revealing themselves? Am I misunderstanding your power? You get a single secret vote after you die...at which point you've already been revealed.
Scum often gets a one or x-shot method to get more than 1 night kill, so that seems like a fairly reserved version of that.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
So here are my thoughts. Might be messy because I did it in word.
sorry. ｍ（｡≧ _ ≦｡）ｍ
I think there are cupids but and this may be a total misread because thats another power Ive never seen before I think its more a combination harem/cupid, or both. I think there will be times when certain genders are forced to act or are restricted from acting in certain ways.
Im guessing Cupids because of shipping, first, and because theres something weird in my fluff desc (unrelated to anything else about it just of all the ways this character could have been described, that choice makes me wonder). BUT it might be the totally wrong tree and Im just barking away.
01. [m] oreomunsta Waiting to see how oreo develops now that weve lost some people. I especially want to know what oreo says about ultron87 now, because of this:
03. [it] hatmoza - not sure yet. Doubt scum.
04. [f] hey_monkey am still me
05. [m] rac - here's what I said before: Dry wit, not sure hes trying to make people like him. Really not sure overall if its just new player finding his way or if hes trying to be overcautious, which would read scum. - would agree, but lean townish because some productive moments that seemed designed to help, not hurt.
06. [m] 30yearsofhurt I was concerned about 30years until his explanation and while I still want to know more about why he found Zubz suspicious, I believe hes just genuinine used to playing a different way. Could be biased/fake read because Im also not used to all these weird roles, but for now, off my list. Also SkyOdin was against voting for 30 and right now I trust the townies who are gone.
07. [m] Poltergust suspicious as hell for reasons that weve talked to death. I think day 2 behavior will be telling and Im gonna watch.
08. [m] Bowlie Some weird behavior at the end but not really enough to read. Also a day2 watch.
10. [m] Palmer_v1 Seems interested in learning something. Pushes productively. Asks good questions. But its sometimes a strike and run to strike again. I dont know if thats in line with town. Its like a more focused version of Kyanrute, but since Palmers more productive, I think, lower on my watchlist.
11. [m] ultron87 for now, I trust the claim. I also agree with this post and it makes me further believe neutral or town:
12. [m] cabot may be a mistake, but for now I trust cabot. Seems helpful to me and maybe a little snarky but not in a way that raises my suspicions. Even-handed. Seems to want to figure things out. Could be scum faking. But there are so many others who just seem genuinely unconcerned that cabot is either genuine town or a real good faker. Yall will know more than I. If ultron87 is scum, which I guess is possible (I believe him for now), then they could have cooked it up between them but it seemed hurried and I think if it had been planned it would have gone down just a little bit earlier.
14. [m] Dusk Soldier Shared my read on Kyan at the end. Made me suspect him a little less. I dont think it was a ploy switch (unless Kyans town and Dusk isnt) because there were only a few people making noise about voting for Kyan. Dusk is on my watch list regardless, but Im not carrying that banner anymore for now. Did also reach out to ultron87 and Zubz for a sort of alliance.
I think this post to hatmoza is worth remembering, though I dont know yet if it means anything:
15. [m] Cewyn Man, I dont know. Some suspicious deflecting behavior, maybe coasting, maybe hiding something, maybe just wasnt very active d1. Defended Dragonz. Maybe for good reasons, maybe not. Voted Stanley for I dont know. Feelz.
16. [m] BlackBuzzard My gut is a town lean for now but I dont think weve seen enough to be sure. Even though you voted for me. (ﾟ´Д｀ﾟﾟ
17. [m] Haly I dont know. I wonder if some of the reads on Haly came from past games and known behavior. I dont have much of a read yet.
18. [m] squidyj Was super impressed with squidy during live mafia and think hes a player to watch. I really have no idea. I lean town because he seems genuinely interested in pushing for a solution but hes a great liar and a fast thinker. Will need to track his behavior carefully because hes gonna zig zag, but itll be productive.
19. [m] TheExodu5 Id like to see more here.
20. [f] WhereAreMahDragonz I have voiced suspicions before so Im gonna wait to see how she develops on d2.
21. [f] Swamped Not the most active, but I feel like all her posts are productive. But they could be scum cover. Theres not a huge amount of direct engagement. My gut is to trust her for now.
22. [m] StanleyPalmtree I know some people have feelings here but I dont really yet.
23. [m] Kyanrute Is my #1 right now. Does not seem at all interested (yet?) in anything but creating noise and chaos. Even the questions to people arent particularly helpful; they just seem designed to whip something up. I think theres a difference between shitposting or being silly and instigating. Maybe Kyan is like squidy, but after playing liveMaf with squidy, I feel more confident in understanding squidys style. Kyan to me just feels like either neutral or scum. If Kyan was town, I figure wed get at least a hint of more substance. In the wind-down on day 1, we got some dropping on easy targets (Poltergust),
On the other hand was a little scattered with the finger-pointing (Dusk, Polter, others) and less focused. Not sure what that means. But it still seems more like waving tentacles and raising suspicion across the board and then helping hone in on a town target people had been building suspicion again.
On the OTHER OTHER hand, that suspicion started with SkyOdin (on Zubz).
Literally everything in this post is noncommittal and wishy washy. There are no concrete opinions which indicates, in my long, elusive, scum career, that monkey-chan is having a hard time settling on a target for the day. This doesn't signal a conflicted townie, but rather, a careful scum play.
Nothing here gives me the warm fuzzies.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
An awful lot of assumptions with no concrete reads and / or opinions. Poltergust-kun is not trying to solve the game in this post. They are trying to deflect the heat they got yesterday onto Kyan.
This in no way clears Kyan-sensei, but I don't like Poltergust-kun's deflections. A flip on either one of them would be benefitial for further reads on the remaining party.
I mean that, usually, to get someone lynched, scum needs to actually put their names on a list, and have to deal with that paper trail following them the rest of the game with people saying "well so and so voted for X and Y so..." but if a scum had my power, they wouldn't have to worry a ton about that when voting while already dead. Because they're dead. Especially since the vote doesn't get revealed till the day ends.
I am worried about Squidyj being cop and surviving the night. I think this was some reverse psychology move on scum and therefore they decided not to target him or he isn't town to begin with. I'm also open to the possibility that he could not be scum and have an ability/role beyond vanilla. Perhaps something crazy and hairy, with a certain win condition. I would say Squidyj's behavior is standard for now, and if there's a wildcard player in the game, then it's definitely him.
As far as Dragonz, yeah I admit to have defended her. I think her contribution to the game on day 1 was fantastic and her flavor is fun to watch/read. However, I don't know if she really is town anymore. I will watch closely this day and try to see if there's any change. I don't know, maybe I'm guilty of defending her and this could be my downfall.
I don't really trust theExodu5 since his post feels manipulative.
As far as Dragonz, yeah I admit to have defended her. I think her contribution to the game on day 1 was fantastic and her flavor is fun to watch/read. However, I don't know if she really is town anymore. I will watch closely this day and try to see if there's any change. I don't know, maybe I'm guilty of defending her and this could be my downfall.
I don't really trust theExodu5 since his post feels manipulative.
I did a full read through of the posts to catch up yesterday (keep in mind I wasn't really around day 1) and underlined behavior I thought to be suspicious. Whether it's derivative or not is irrelevent. People are too quick to dismiss obvious suspicious behavior in favor of "feeling" (gut reads). Squidy and Dusk are still huge question marks and everyone seemingly let things go without prodding for more answers. That being said, I still think kyan is the more likely scum since we have real votes corroborating his scuminess.
hey_monkey
Banned
What, six hours left in the first day of the day cycle? And these people haven't posted yet:
oreomunsta, BlackBuzzard, StanleyPalmtree
30yearsofhurt drove by to basically say "later, y'all." Bowlie made some noise about that wasted vote but didn't do anything productive.
oreomunsta, BlackBuzzard, StanleyPalmtree
30yearsofhurt drove by to basically say "later, y'all." Bowlie made some noise about that wasted vote but didn't do anything productive.
Poltergust
Member
I thought I was onto something, though. :<
I do agree with you on one thing, though. At the rate we're going I doubt either of us will last much longer, and revealing one of us will (hopefully) say a lot about the other.
On a side note, this is starting to bother me:
[m] Poltergust - New - EST
*coughcough*
Poltergust
Member
I'd also like people's thoughts on this, since it seemed to have been skimmed over by everyone going into a new page.
Oh, I was referring to monkey there. I said I agreed with her (swamped) read on you then moved onto monkey
awkward...
Poltergust
Member
Oh, I guess reading comprehension failed me. v_v
Well true, but up to a few moments ago, I had not posted either, and I am town... Doesn't really tell you much.
The day is still young Mr. Monkey~
hey_monkey
Banned
I've already addressed this stuff, so here I'll just say: I do have a vote on the board at present. Do you?
That said:
I agree. And Polter bringing back the fluff just now also doesn't feel like forward motion. I think there's some worth in looking at the mechanics and trying to figure out the frame, but continuing to push mechanics and weird connections doesn't feel productive. It feels deflective, particularly when there's Polter suspicion and votes in play.
You have to do more to convince me of your town, sloth.
hey_monkey
Banned
Okay, honestly, after a while, the assumptions that everyone is male/that male is the default on GAF gets kind of annoying. I get it. But.
Poltergust
Member
The only reason I brought it up again is because not a single person commented on it. Is it just flavor or does it actually play into the game?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
What changed, exactly?
Flavour is flavour. There might be method to it but without the full picture it leads to mistakes more often than not.
My mistake! I am so sorry...
I usually know the players beforehand and look over the list, and this time I saw a lot of players I had played with before and didn't really pay much attention to the list this time.
Not an excuse, but I will do better next time!
Nothing much has changed.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Damn, could this bandwagon vote be any more obvious?
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Just got home, sorry i wasn't there at the beginning of the day phase but it was 23.00 my time. Reading the last few pages now.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
For now I'd like to talk about Monkey-chan. ρ(＾o^)♪
I had many suspicions on day one, and if Zubz-kun hadn't messed up like that, I would have voted for her. Do I regret my vote? Well obviously, since he was town, but I do not regret my reasoning or logic behind it. All things considered, I feel that it was a strong vote and I am not going to let it stop me going forward.
That being said, there were many things that I feel I overlooked about Monkey-chan yesterday. Her unwillingness to commit to a vote, her slight prodding on a variety of players, her lack of committed and convincing reads. I'm on mobile but when I get home I'll find examples. All of this reminds me of the first time I played scum, in Gods. Most of her content is baseless speculation not on players themselves, but on the game. I mean, this is fine, to an extent, but the real core of Mafia is reading people. Which she has, time and time again, failed to do consistently.
And today, she once again continues to prod and poke and jumps on an easy bandwagon vote early in the phase. None of it sits well with me, and I would like her to explain her behavior.
Vote: hey_monkey
I had many suspicions on day one, and if Zubz-kun hadn't messed up like that, I would have voted for her. Do I regret my vote? Well obviously, since he was town, but I do not regret my reasoning or logic behind it. All things considered, I feel that it was a strong vote and I am not going to let it stop me going forward.
That being said, there were many things that I feel I overlooked about Monkey-chan yesterday. Her unwillingness to commit to a vote, her slight prodding on a variety of players, her lack of committed and convincing reads. I'm on mobile but when I get home I'll find examples. All of this reminds me of the first time I played scum, in Gods. Most of her content is baseless speculation not on players themselves, but on the game. I mean, this is fine, to an extent, but the real core of Mafia is reading people. Which she has, time and time again, failed to do consistently.
And today, she once again continues to prod and poke and jumps on an easy bandwagon vote early in the phase. None of it sits well with me, and I would like her to explain her behavior.
Vote: hey_monkey
I see plenty of reads from monkey. I actually find her reads to be quite confident for a new player. She seems to have provided a lot more reads than you have, unless I missed some of your posts. Seems like a similar situation to day 1, where you accused people of not posting anything of any substance despite doing so yourself.
would you have kept your vote on nomadic if he didn't get banned?
BlackBuzzard
Banned
To answer Cabot on the happenings of the end of the day. I never had scum vibes for Zubz even after the weak attempt of WMD to find a scum tell on him. Kyan voted on Zubz and then a few minutes later my biggest scum read(WMD) voted Zubz. I wasn't going to let Zubz get piled on, so i voted against that by voting for Ultron who i had as a null read. If push came to shove i would have unvoted in the last minute regardless of his power claim(which i did see) If i had to do it all over again i would vote Ultron again.
Palmer calling me non committal it was a lost vote if i had stayed on WMD, nobody was going to vote on her for day 1 because she is the most active, does that change how i think about her, not at all.
Palmer calling me non committal it was a lost vote if i had stayed on WMD, nobody was going to vote on her for day 1 because she is the most active, does that change how i think about her, not at all.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
oreomunsta
Banned
Haven't been active for about 24 hours, sorry guys! Wow, there's a lot to catch up on o.o
I'll post my opinions as soon as I can
I'll post my opinions as soon as I can
oreomunsta
Banned
Actually, I do notice Odin's death and think that's horrible and spooky since he was an outwardly analytical player
I'll still share my opinions openly for Town's sake, but I feel an axe hanging over more prevalently now
I'll still share my opinions openly for Town's sake, but I feel an axe hanging over more prevalently now
Thanks. Don't be too impressed. I'm too behind on the comprehension since I started this game late and I'm still trying to associate names to posts. I feel like I'm 4 or 5 steps behind everyone else.
Latter as I'm in the camp of people who did not place a vote.
This a strong observation that honestly forced me to reread his post and change my view on him.
I'm against day 1 lynches generally as I've stated. Furthermore I was in the late stages of recovery from the flu when day 1 was ending. I had nothing to go on.
oreomunsta
Banned
Swamped, I'm curious as to why you agree with the move to kill Odin from a few pages back. Sorry if I'm out of the loop here, but Odin's actions were pro-Town. He was contributing, analyzing, and sharing enough that it raised good points for Town to consider.
Why would a day 1 lynch not be a good idea?
Why would a day 1 lynch not be a good idea?
hey_monkey
Banned
Interesting... so that was a cat fight.
So dudes can argue and discuss but if women do it it's a cat fight?
Nah.
So you're reading WMD as scum (quote "my biggest scum read") and decide to vote for Ultron who is a null read. I guess this was done because the Ultron bandwagon was gaining momentum and because WMD didn't have many votes.
Hmmm.... I can see why Palmer was referring to you as not committing. I share the same sentiment.