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It's not that there are actual differences in movie quality, you're just biased against DC and love Marvel!
And so are the vast majority of movie critics and audiences!
It's a worldwide conspiracy!
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My stance is Civil War is a better film, but I had more fun with BvS. Once you've seen Civil War once that's it, BvS rewards you each time with more and more batshit crazy.
I know I'm taking the bait but... how? The movie is gloomy as shit. Unless you're actively making fun of it...fun with BvS
on the flip side do you think the DC films negative reception makes people view future DC movies more harshly?Are you seriously arguing that Marvel's good will doesn't cut them more slack? We have people here who defend Thor: The Dark World with "it's not that bad" level stretching.
Also see my "it's a better film than BvS" post.
on the flip side do you think the DC films negative reception makes people view future DC movies more harshly?
the film definitely doesn't hold up as well on repeated viewings.
Yes it is. You didn't read me OP, did you? You just wanted to come here to condescend? I didn't say Disney was out to exploit the audience.No it isn't. Nobody got hustled out of their money by the title of the movie.
Also trailers exist.
It's also a really personal story of how Iron Man never got over his parents' death, about how he never got to say goodbye to them and it haunts him.The movie is the personal story of how Captain America leaves his place among the Avengers because he needs to be beside his best friend. The Avengers just get dragged into it.
The movie is the personal story of how Captain America leaves his place among the Avengers because he needs to be beside his best friend. The Avengers just get dragged into it.
I know I'm taking the bait but... how? The movie is gloomy as shit. Unless you're actively making fun of it...
Are you seriously arguing that Marvel's good will doesn't cut them more slack? We have people here who defend Thor: The Dark World with "it's not that bad" level stretching.
I think visually it's incredible, I like them having Supes/WW at full strength rather than them being nerfed power wise. And I think the Bats vs Supes fight is absolutely hilariously awful. Just makes me laugh.
So it's a mixed bag. Hilariously bad and enjoyable equally.
Your comment is so full of irony I'm wondering if I'm stepping on a landmine here.Vasty vasty over-rated. It was a 100% by-the-books Avengers movie, it felt like I was rewatching all the other Avenger movies. And the amount of love it gets on the internet is embarrassing. People are all to happy to ignore the giant loop-holes and problems while lambasting BvS for similar problems.
That's just the culture we live in- echo chambers, fanboyism, etc.
That's because it isn't. It's mediocre and boring when Loki is off-scren ,but it isn't actively bad like, say, Suicide Squad or Fant4Stic. The characters, dialogue, editing, music and story are actually competent.Are you seriously arguing that Marvel's good will doesn't cut them more slack? We have people here who defend Thor: The Dark World with "it's not that bad" level stretching.
Also see my "it's a better film than BvS" post.
i guess i have to elaborate to counter your snark sarcasm that it was rather convenient writing.
I think it's a fun movie that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. If you look at what the main catalysts for the main plot points are, there are a lot of contrivances and arguments that certain characters present can be rebutted when you start looking at actions of characters in previous films.
Yes it is. You didn't read me OP, did you? You just wanted to come here to condescend? I didn't say Disney was out to exploit the audience.It's also a really personal story of how Iron Man never got over his parents' death, about how he never got to say goodbye to them and it haunts him.
I don't understand why Steve sending that letter leads people to think that they are suddenly BFFs again.Was going to make a thread but I'll ask in here
So when martin freeman's character tells Zemo he wasnt successful, he questions with was it.
Sure he got them to fight but
Judging by the end, Steve still befriends Tony, sending him a we got your back letter and a burner phone
So Zemo didn't do crap then?
The team splitting up was due to the accords not zemo
there's no need to be snark. they needed an opening with one of them (accidentally) killing innocent people to put the sovokia accords into motionYeah, good writing is convenient. I guess they could have also decided to write something convoluted around the plotpoint "superpowered individual causes accident during unsupervised mission" but luckily they didn't.
I get that, but is this what's going to happen from here on out? Are we gonna expect major Marvel characters to be in each other's solo films? We're getting Iron Man in the next Spiderman movie and Hulk in the next Thor movie, but there was no major player in Dr. Strange's movie even though it's his introduction; Homecoming is Spiderman's introduction, there's also no extra major players in GoTG2, and as others have pointed out, these crossovers didn't happen until phase 3, so it's difficult to see what to expectBut it's framed as a Captain America movie. And so it is one. Framing is everything.
Die Hard could have been the origin story of a suave German terrorist if it had been tweaked slightly. But it isn't. It's about John McClane.
The film was marketed as having all the Avengers in it. If the general audience was that worried about filling themselves in, the box office numbers and reception would have spoke for itself. Did we have articles where people whined about not knowing what was going on? Did we have nobody going to see the movie because they didn't like the characters involved?
No. As I said, it's a comic book movie. Comic book movies tie in and involve characters all. The. Time.
Was going to make a thread but I'll ask in here
So when martin freeman's character tells Zemo he wasnt successful, he questions with was it.
Sure he got them to fight but
Judging by the end, Steve still befriends Tony, sending him a we got your back letter and a burner phone
So Zemo didn't do crap then?
The team splitting up was due to the accords not zemo
The team splitting up was due to the accords not zemo
there's no need to be snark. they needed an opening with one of them (accidentally) killing innocent people to put the sovokia accords into motion
Tony should've burned and peed on that letter
'Hey sorry I hid your family's killer for years and then beat your ass with something your daddy made for me, you goateed bitch'
Are you seriously arguing that Marvel's good will doesn't cut them more slack? We have people here who defend Thor: The Dark World with "it's not that bad" level stretching.
Also see my "it's a better film than BvS" post.
Vasty vasty over-rated. It was a 100% by-the-books Avengers movie, it felt like I was rewatching all the other Avenger movies. And the amount of love it gets on the internet is embarrassing. People are all to happy to ignore the giant loop-holes and problems while lambasting BvS for similar problems.
That's just the culture we live in- echo chambers, fanboyism, etc.
some stories do it well, others don't. for instance, as a really out-there example, some people call Sam, Nathan Drake's brother's placement in Uc4 to be really "convenient", or whatever. No mention of him beforehand but he's suddenly a main character in the fourth installment. Depending on the integrity of the storytelling, it can be looked at either as convenient storytelling or satisfactory, for lack of a better termI mean, I hope you realize that you could look at every single one of these movies and say "they needed a thing to happen so another thing could happen". That's how stories work.
some stories do it well, others don't. for instance, as a really out-there example, some people call Sam, Nathan Drake's brother's placement in Uc4 to be really "convenient", or whatever. No mention of him beforehand but he's suddenly a main character in the fourth installment. Depending on the integrity of the storytelling, it can be looked at either as convenient storytelling or satisfactory, for lack of a better term
there's no need to be snark. they needed an opening with one of them (accidentally) killing innocent people to put the sovokia accords into motionI get that, but is this what's going to happen from here on out? Are we gonna expect major Marvel characters to be in each other's solo films? We're getting Iron Man in the next Spiderman movie and Hulk in the next Thor movie, but there was no major player in Dr. Strange's movie even though it's his introduction; Homecoming is Spiderman's introduction, there's also no extra major players in GoTG2, and as others have pointed out, these crossovers didn't happen until phase 3, so it's difficult to see what to expect
Captain America 3 does not feel like a solo captain america movie. It feels like Disney exploiting the 3rd solo cap film slate as an Avengers storyline because Disney knew it would do Avengers numbers if they did that, and it did; and they even banked on it. Just Tony Stark's presence alone was supposed to guarantee a billion dollars in the box office.
Maybe we can stop pretending that liking Civil War more than BvS is some GAF-only phenomenon.
How can he release all the people who aren't Steve and did nothing to him AND STILL BE MAD AT STEVE
That makes no sense.
Russo Brothers: "The rift between Iron Man and Captain America is far from resolved, and that will play into Infinity War."
Random Fan: "No, they're friends already. I saw it."
Russo Brothers: ....
you didn't get it? that's what they wanted and needed to get the sokovia accords in motion. this whole thing played out with crossbones in the beginning.... and your wider point is?
do you remember what year you heard that rumor? the ones I posted were shortly after the first avengers movieActually, the rumors I remember a few years ago from before the film was announced were that they originally just wanted RDJ in Cap 3 in a small role, but he wanted his full payout regardless of how big his role was, so they decided to just make him a co-star and basically make it an All-Star movie.
Actually, the rumors I remember a few years ago from before the film was announced were that they originally just wanted RDJ in Cap 3 in a small role, but he wanted his full payout regardless of how big his role was, so they decided to just make him a co-star and basically make it an All-Star movie.
some stories do it well, others don't. for instance, as a really out-there example, some people call Sam, Nathan Drake's brother's placement in Uc4 to be really "convenient", or whatever. No mention of him beforehand but he's suddenly a main character in the fourth installment. Depending on the integrity of the storytelling, it can be looked at either as convenient storytelling or satisfactory, for lack of a better term
Was going to make a thread but I'll ask in here
So when martin freeman's character tells Zemo he wasnt successful, he questions with was it.
Sure he got them to fight but
Judging by the end, Steve still befriends Tony, sending him a we got your back letter and a burner phone
So Zemo didn't do crap then?
The team splitting up was due to the accords not zemo
Don't. Dont need Bleepey shitting up the thread with his bullshit.Like?
I didn't say it was GAF-only. I'm talking about internet culture in its entirety.
I just told you, because they needed that to happen to put the Sokovia Accords in motion. Which, all of it, was a distraction in the movie in what eventually turns into the airport battle where Papa Doc himself even says "this isn't the real fight"So how is Scarlet Witch with her limited grasp over her powers fucking up a mission "convenient"? She's the most inexperienced of the bunch and potentially the most powerful. Of course that's gonna blow up in their faces eventually.
I just told you, because they needed that to happen to put the Sokovia Accords in motion. Which, all of it, was a distraction in the movie in what eventually turns into the airport battle where Papa Doc himself even says "this isn't the real fight"
this fight, which the movie was made for, isn't the real one
Yeah, that's kinda the point of this whole MCU thing. To interconnect characters and their stories.Yes it is. You didn't read me OP, did you? You just wanted to come here to condescend? I didn't say Disney was out to exploit the audience.It's also a really personal story of how Iron Man never got over his parents' death, about how he never got to say goodbye to them and it haunts him.
That's kind of why I didn't like it. A civil war movie should've focused solely on the civil war, having it be the real battle, not a distraction created by ZemoThe airport fight is a distraction in the plot, and while certainly an indulgent action sequence, is absolutely thematically tied to everything in the movie. The whole point of the film is that the Avengers actions have consequences for regular people's lives. Zemo was created by the Avengers, and the conflict he created between them was driven by that same set of consequences.
The crossover films are meant to interconnect characters and their stories the most. The solo films are supposed to be solo. That line was blurred with Cap3.Yeah, that's kinda the point of this whole MCU thing. To interconnect characters and their stories.
Civil War is also the logical extension of a post-Hydra SHIELD trying to contain the Avengers, directly following the theme of Winter Soldier.
And no from now on, the charcters won't be as isolated as in the beginning. Still doesn't make it exploitative in the least.
The solo films are supposed to be solo/QUOTE]
They're not "supposed" to be anything. You would prefer they be solo.
I'm sure in 2008 Spiderman wasn't "supposed" to join and the Guardians of the Galaxy weren't "supposed" to happen, but here we are.
I just told you, because they needed that to happen to put the Sokovia Accords in motion. Which, all of it, was a distraction in the movie in what eventually turns into the airport battle where Papa Doc himself even says "this isn't the real fight"
this fight, which the movie was made for, isn't the real one