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(AP) At No. 1, Lil Wayne redefines stardom behind bars

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Ripclawe

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Am I the only one not happy that a jailbird is this popular? Embarrassing especially to me as a black person he is some sort of hero. Seriously messed up.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101101/D9J796400.html

NEW YORK (AP) - He had the top-selling album in the country earlier this month. He's on the president's iPod. He's on the charts with two singles and a collaboration on a third. He's on Facebook with updates for the more than 14 million people following them. He is, in every respect, on.

By the way, Lil Wayne's in jail. But his public persona is anything but locked away.

The rapper, who's on track to be released Thursday after serving eight months in a gun case, is the first artist in 15 years to release a No. 1 album on the Billboard 200 chart while serving a sentence. His "I Am Not a Human Being" spent a week in the top slot and has sold more than 323,000 copies since its Sept. 27 release, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

It's hardly a coveted distinction. But it is both a reflection of Lil Wayne's popularity - he went to jail a multiplatinum-selling Grammy Award winner - and a result of astute maneuvering in the multimedia landscape that now envelops pop stardom. Staying relevant? Try omnipresent.

"The challenge was to make sure you feel like he never left," says Bryan "Birdman" Williams, the Cash Money Records co-founder who has fostered Lil Wayne's career since the rapper's teens. "We came with a good strategy, and it worked."

Members of the rapper's management team carefully scheduled releases of music and saw to it that his responses to the deluge of fan mail that has descended on the city's Rikers Island jail complex were typed up and posted online. They have become regulars at Rikers' visiting hours and have played, and recorded, music over a jail phone.

The Lil Wayne campaign even comes with its own insider-y slogan - "free Weezy," one of his nicknames - circulated through channels ranging from T-shirts to a Twitter hashtag.

For the rapper, his jail term has been a difficult exile from the recording studio where he generally likes to spend time every night, his associates say. "When you take somebody's passion away, it's gotta be frustrating," Williams said in an interview.

But for his fans, it has provided not only a steady stream of new music, but an unusually direct connection to one of music's megastars. On a blog he set up for fans, he's offered insights into his day-to-day doings and responses to some of the listener letters that, he says, anchor his day.

"I never imagined that I could have such an impact on people's lives," he wrote in July on the site, Weezythanxyou.com.

Known for his workaholic output of witty, manifold and sometimes weird wordplay, Lil Wayne had the best-selling album of 2008 and won a best rap album Grammy with "Tha Carter III." Time magazine weighed him for its most-influential-people list last year; President Barack Obama recently told Rolling Stone he has some Lil Wayne music on his iPod.

The rapper, born Dwayne Carter Jr., pleaded guilty in October 2009 to having a loaded gun on his tour bus after a Manhattan concert in 2007. He began serving his one-year sentence in March.

He's expected to get out early because of time off for good behavior, despite the electronic contraband that landed him in solitary confinement for the last month of his term: a charger and headphones for a digital music player were found in his cell, jail officials said. (He acknowledged the misstep on his blog.)

While at Rikers, he also pleaded guilty to an Arizona drug possession charge and was sentenced to three years' probation.


Lil Wayne joined a roster of successful rappers who have spent time behind bars, a list that has muddied the line between art and life in a genre that arose from inner-city streets and often chronicles crime and violence. Big names including Tupac Shakur, Lil' Kim, Foxy Brown, Shyne, Mystikal, Gucci Mane and T.I. have been incarcerated for periods ranging from months to years.

Several rappers have put out albums while locked up; the late Shakur became the first to hit number one with 1995's "Me Against the World," released while he was imprisoned on a sexual assault conviction. Some have recorded songs behind bars.

Lil Wayne made a slew of recordings and videos in his final weeks of freedom. The recording blitz provided enough material for "I Am Not a Human Being" and appearances on songs by artists ranging from his protege Drake to Eminem, their releases timed to keep him fresh in fans' minds, his managers said.

The rapper initially played it cool when told about the album's success, said Derrick "E.I." Lawrence, a member of his management team. But as Lawrence was heading out after a visit, "He said, 'Number one?' ... That lit him up."

Lil Wayne, too, kept an ear out for opportunities. After hearing the Drake/Jay-Z collaboration "Light Up" on the radio, he told longtime manager Cortez Bryant, "I gotta get on that," Bryant recalled. The rapper recorded a verse over the phone for a "Rikers Remix" that made the rounds online.

But perhaps the most telling way Lil Wayne has made himself heard from jail hasn't been on records, but in writing.

His managers say the rapper proposed the Weezythanxyou blog, which has become a public-yet-personal conversation between the star and his fans. They have sent so much mail that members of his management team routinely take home garbage bags full for safekeeping after the rapper has read it.

"He's using it as therapy to get by, to get through his long days," Bryant said in an interview.

Writing in longhand with implements and notepads bought from the jail commissary, Lil Wayne issued chatty, upbeat updates, touching on such topics as his daily activities ("I'm still playing UNO"), pro basketball and Mother's Day.

But mostly, he thanked fans, by the dozens and by name, with individual, brotherly notes: "So happy you found your iPod,""You're already where you need to be, school!"

He even brokered a marriage proposal after getting a letter from a woman who had appeared in one of his label's videos, popping her question to her boyfriend on the site at her request, said Mack Maine, the president of Young Money Entertainment, Lil Wayne's imprint within Cash Money.

So-called "Wayniacs" have been impressed with the updates, said Lilwaynehq.com fan site founder Daniel Mousdell. So have rap veterans.

"It was great that they had that communication with fans," said Death Row Records founder Marion "Suge" Knight, who worked with Shakur and spent five years in jail himself in the 1990s on an assault conviction. With the more limited communication options of the time, "the world stopped" for an artist in prison, he said.

Lil Wayne's world, meanwhile, is already moving on. The rapper has written new lyrics in jail (describing them as "amazing would be too typical and perfect would be unfair," he said on his blog) and envisions releasing a much-anticipated "Tha Carter IV" next year, Williams said.


He also has kept a journal in jail, Maine said, and might release it as a book.
 

Lambtron

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Gucci Mane has totally lapped Wayne at this point; Tha Carter III was like half good and his mixtapes are an even more mixed bag. Also, Gucci is the cool one to hate now. And I'm a pretty big Wayne defender.

Writing on the Wall > any Wayne tape
 

PBY

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Lambtron said:
Gucci Mane has totally lapped Wayne at this point; Tha Carter III was like half good and his mixtapes are an even more mixed bag. Also, Gucci is the cool one to hate now. And I'm a pretty big Wayne defender.

Writing on the Wall > any Wayne tape
no way, I actually defend Gucci from time to time, but nooooooooooooo
 

D-Fens

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I used to hate him until a friend of mine showed me some of his good songs. there aren't many and i still dislike him as a person but i can't say i care that much anymore
 
Lambtron said:
Gucci Mane has totally lapped Wayne at this point; Tha Carter III was like half good and his mixtapes are an even more mixed bag. Also, Gucci is the cool one to hate now. And I'm a pretty big Wayne defender.

Writing on the Wall > any Wayne tape

Haanh

burr

:lol
 

Lambtron

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peterb0y said:
no way, I actually defend Gucci from time to time, but nooooooooooooo
Basically everything Gucci has done in the last two years has been stellar. He's far more consistent than Wayne. I love Wayne, but Gucci's on another level right now.

SKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
 

PBY

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Lambtron said:
Basically everything Gucci has done in the last two years has been stellar. He's far more consistent than Wayne. I love Wayne, but Gucci's on another level right now.

SKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
the only gucci album/tape I've actually liked was the appeal- i think everything else is pretty mediocre

also, gucci is straight bullshit rap, and while wayne might not be better than him NOW, there was a time during the C2 days when I thought he was actually a pretty great lyricist
 

Kusagari

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Lambtron said:
Basically everything Gucci has done in the last two years has been stellar. He's far more consistent than Wayne. I love Wayne, but Gucci's on another level right now.

SKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.


Yeah...no.
 

methodman

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Lambtron said:
Basically everything Gucci has done in the last two years has been stellar. He's far more consistent than Wayne. I love Wayne, but Gucci's on another level right now.

SKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

OJ The Juiceman and wacka flocka flames >>>>> GUCCI

ps lil wayne is still the best rapper alive
 

enzo_gt

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Lambtron said:
Gucci Mane has totally lapped Wayne at this point; Tha Carter III was like half good and his mixtapes are an even more mixed bag. Also, Gucci is the cool one to hate now. And I'm a pretty big Wayne defender.

Writing on the Wall > any Wayne tape
So wait, is this the new Gucci Lovers vs. Gucci Haters thread?

If so, fuck Gucci.

But seriously why the hell is Suge Knight still relevant or even worth a short comment in an interview.
 
Juaquin Malphurs, (born May 31, 1986) better known by his stage name Waka Flocka Flame,[1] is an American rapper signed to 1017 Brick Squad and Warner Bros. He is the son of Debra Antney, Gucci Mane's former manager and CEO of So Icey/Mizay Entertainment.[2] Gucci Mane later fired Debra Antney as his manager. Despite rumors, there is no animosity between the two rappers due to this event. In a MTV interview, both Gucci Mane and Waka Flocka Flame affirmed that their relationship is in good standing even though they no longer speak.[3]

WOCKA FLOCKA
 

Kusagari

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methodman said:
OJ The Juiceman and wacka flocka flames >>>>> GUCCI

ps lil wayne is still the best rapper alive

OJ da Juiceman is the worst rapper alive who doesn't make songs about Goku.
 

methodman

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Kusagari said:
OJ da Juiceman is the worst rapper alive who doesn't make songs about Goku.
ya i know, im just joking around about OJ, even wacka flocka who's pretty terrible himself :lol
 
Baby Milo said:
get over it
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Lambtron

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peterb0y said:
the only gucci album/tape I've actually liked was the appeal- i think everything else is pretty mediocre

also, gucci is straight bullshit rap, and while wayne might not be better than him NOW, there was a time during the C2 days when I thought he was actually a pretty great lyricist
Gucci's basically just categorized as "bullshit rap," but he's a pretty decent lyricist. His flow just doesn't lend itself to making the clever shit he says obvious.

I only posted because I find it amusing that like three or four years ago people said the same shit about Wayne that they say about Gucci now.
 

Kusagari

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methodman said:
ya i know, im just joking around about OJ, even wacka flocka who's pretty terrible himself :lol

Waka Flocka is terrible but his music is hilarious.

"These niggas said they killed me and kidnapped my daughter. I don't even got no daughter, they mad cuz I'm a baller."

:lol
 

PBY

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Lambtron said:
Gucci's basically just categorized as "bullshit rap," but he's a pretty decent lyricist. His flow just doesn't lend itself to making the clever shit he says obvious.

I only posted because I find it amusing that like three or four years ago people said the same shit about Wayne that they say about Gucci now.
come on man
 

enzo_gt

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Lambtron said:
Gucci's basically just categorized as "bullshit rap," but he's a pretty decent lyricist. His flow just doesn't lend itself to making the clever shit he says obvious.

I only posted because I find it amusing that like three or four years ago people said the same shit about Wayne that they say about Gucci now.
This is wrong, flat out wrong. Or your definition of lyricist is heavily, heavily abstracted. There is no deep down clever shit or metaphors that have some highly intellectual merit to them.
 
enzo_gt said:
This is wrong, flat out wrong. Or your definition of lyricist is heavily, heavily abstracted. There is no deep down clever shit or metaphors that have some highly intellectual merit to them.

This is wrong, flat out wrong. Or your definition of decent is heavily, heavily abstracted. There is no reason decent lyricists have to write what you consider to be deep down clever shit or metaphors that have some highly intellectual merit to them.
 
Good for Wayne, looking forward to listening to his next real album.

Gucci sucks ass btw, he's never done anything of worth. Wish he and his dumb ass name would go away.
 

Lambtron

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enzo_gt said:
This is wrong, flat out wrong. Or your definition of lyricist is heavily, heavily abstracted. There is no deep down clever shit or metaphors that have some highly intellectual merit to them.
I didn't say he was intellectual. I said he was a good lyricist. Meaning, he writes good lyrics. Lyrics don't need some deep meaning to be good. If I want to listen to shit like that, it's not like I don't have plenty of other music to listen to in order to scratch this itch. And let's be honest here: Lil' Wayne is not exactly who I turn to.

Gucci's music is fun and surprisingly clever. There's plenty of room in my life for music like this. I'm not even saying Gucci is the best at this stuff, just that he's widely dismissed as nothing but bullshit. And I think that's an unfair characterization.

Sho_Nuff82 said:
Gucci sucks ass btw, he's never done anything of worth. Wish he and his dumb ass name would go away.
Uh you must be forgetting "Freaky Gurl."
 

enzo_gt

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blame space said:
This is wrong, flat out wrong. Or your definition of decent is heavily, heavily abstracted. There is no reason decent lyricists have to write what you consider to be deep down clever shit or metaphors that have some highly intellectual merit to them.
What is so great about Gucci's rhymes that gives him any kind of reason to be considered a lyricist? Lyricism implies attention to detail, and some sort of overarching substance to them, whatever substance that may be.

And Gucci has no substance. I'd understand if said lyrics were good, but they don't even come off good. His bullshit rhymes are not on par or close to on par as other bullshit rappers. It comes out as lazy and one step above family channel raps. I mean he has his moments, but overall the dude gets more props than he deserves IMO. A decent flow seems to carry so many people into believing he is da troof.
 
As a hip hop head, I hate that Lil' Wayne is what's most popular at the moment. There is nothing special about him. Gucci Mane sucks too.

I'm long over this though. Mainstream hip hop hasn't had many decent cats get real attention for years now. I just don't really listen to the radio anymore.

Looking forward to LASERS though.
 

Lambtron

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samus i am said:
No Ceilings was better than any alblum Gucci could ever make and that shit was free.
Gucci put out several free tapes in 2009 which were better than No Ceilings.

enzo_gt said:
What is so great about Gucci's rhymes that gives him any kind of reason to be considered a lyricist? Lyricism implies attention to detail, and some sort of overarching substance to them, whatever substance that may be.

And Gucci has no substance. I'd understand if said lyrics were good, but they don't even come off good. His bullshit rhymes are not on par or close to on par as other bullshit rappers. It comes out as lazy and one step above family channel raps. I mean he has his moments, but overall the dude gets more props than he deserves IMO. A decent flow seems to carry so many people into believing he is da troof.
Part of what's awesome about Gucci's lyrics is that he doesn't bother with extraneous shit. He's doing exactly what he wants to; it doesn't need any more "substance" to get across his point. Seriously, what does he need to add to this in order to make it any better? :lol

Gucci Mane said:
She's a very freaky gurl
Don't bring her to mama
First you get her name
Then you get her number
Then you get some brain in the front seat of the Hummer
He's not trying to be fucking El-P. He's putting out hundreds of songs a year that cover essentially the same subject matter over and over, yet he keeps it fresh, fun, and clever.
 

enzo_gt

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blame space said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9rEfPJxGng

Only song I like from Gucci. Also apparently looks like the peak of his lyrical ability. Only Gucci song with quotables or line's I remember.

Lambtron said:
Part of what's awesome about Gucci's lyrics is that he doesn't bother with extraneous shit. He's doing exactly what he wants to; it doesn't need any more "substance" to get across his point. Seriously, what does he need to add to this in order to make it any better? :lol
I just don't fancy his stuff that's all ;)
 
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