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[Marty Chinn]

FIXED.

Marty Chinn seems to want a device that's not ipad and he keeps shitting on all the threads. I read the Ipad1 OT and now this one.



Better on the gymbike. Used it when I peddled. Watched Misfits. 40minutes. Woosh.

makes the days when I coveted an archos seemed like a J O K E.

Actually, I do want a tablet, and the iPad is the closest thing to being a good solution. I just want something that actually takes advantage of the real estate that the form factor offers. I don't think that's unreasonable. I don't want a giant iPhone. I like the direction Honeycomb took with Android by trying to separate the two but yet at the same time keep them similar. That's all I want with the iPad. It's mostly what I want. It's got the screen aspect ratio, a quality screen, a smooth experience, plenty of apps that I'm already invested in, XBMC if you jailbreak it, and so forth. I just want more out of a tablet though if I'm going to invest in that kind of money.

Is it a crime to want Apple to push the envelope more since they're in a position of leadership? This iteration was kinda lazy and by the numbers without knowing what iOS5 has to offer. That could change everything. Notifications(which I assume have to be coming at this point), some sort of widget usage, and tabbed browsing isn't all that much. They offer all three, and I'm in. Profiles would be even nicer, but we all know Apple will never do that cuz it's not in their financial interest. I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I don't think I'm asking for much. I'd even take some sort of widget interface and I'm sold.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I don't think I'm asking for much.

You're not, but the problem is that by now this has been going on with you for years and hundreds (maybe thousands) of posts. You argue hypothetical future scenarios and assumptions and things no one could ever answer or satisfy with the same vigor and stubbornness as if you were trying to save the world. And keep in mind, it doesn't matter if you're "not asking for much"... GAF isn't Apple.

Then every 20 posts you'll randomly call someone a fanboy or vilify someone as being a part of the Apple defense force just for trying to explain both sides of the story, and the shit starts all over again.

Just give it a rest dude. It's impossible to argue hypotheticals, but you keep demanding it of everyone. I just came back from work to an iPad 2 thread that's been through more shit than Mike Rowe. Let the people who actually own the thing talk about their fun gadget for once.

 

[dream]

Flash argument will never go away until it dies or we die.

I really don't remember ever being on a site with Flash though in the last year or so. I'm almost always browsing here or Reddit on my iPhone and those are really my only two sites. I want to play a quick game; I have my iPhone / iPad over addictinggames.

I think stuff like Wallaby is Adobe's way to ending the Flash argument.

 

[Burger]

Is it a crime to want Apple to push the envelope more since they're in a position of leadership?

Apple created the market with the iPad, which to this day is still less than 12 months old. There is already a second model out and numerous software updates, there are 65,000 apps available now. Nobody has caught up hardware wise, or software wise, and you want them to "Push the envelope"?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Apple created the market with the iPad, which to this day is still less than 12 months old. There is already a second model out and numerous software updates, there are 65,000 apps available now. Nobody has caught up hardware wise, or software wise, and you want them to "Push the envelope"?

lol seriously.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

Apple created the market with the iPad, which to this day is still less than 12 months old. There is already a second model out and numerous software updates, there are 65,000 apps available now. Nobody has caught up hardware wise, or software wise, and you want them to "Push the envelope"?

He wants them to push the envelope by adding a mobile version that doesn't exist of a program that doesn't even run well on its native OS.

Marty Chinn, ladies and gentlemen, the only guy who clearly believes the iPad is literally magical.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Apple created the market with the iPad, which to this day is still less than 12 months old. There is already a second model out and numerous software updates, there are 65,000 apps available now. Nobody has caught up hardware wise, or software wise, and you want them to "Push the envelope"?

I think the iPad 2 is a safe update and not one that pushes it. They did a checklist/by the numbers hardware update but where they faltered IMO was announcing enhancements to the overall tablet experience by not adding any new features or functionality. iOS5 may change that, but I wish they could have at least hinted at it or something when they announced the iPad 2 where it should be highlighted. They didn't push here. It's a safe update. Just because the competition is lagging isn't reason they should be complacent.

You guys keep talking about that it's not about the hardware or the specs, but the experience itself but this update is more about the hardware and specs. Sure the improved hardware makes things smoother in some areas, but it's not like the iPad lagged or was a terrible experience to begin with.

He wants them to push the envelope by adding a mobile version that doesn't exist of a program that doesn't even run well on its native OS.

Marty Chinn, ladies and gentlemen, the only guy who clearly believes the iPad is literally magical.

Yay for you having a reading comprehension problem. I'm not pushing for Flash being there.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

I think the iPad 2 is a safe update and not one that pushes it. They did a checklist/by the numbers hardware update but where they faltered IMO was announcing enhancements to the overall tablet experience by not adding any new features or functionality. iOS5 may change that, but I wish they could have at least hinted at it or something when they announced the iPad 2 where it should be highlighted. They didn't push here. It's a safe update. Just because the competition is lagging isn't reason they should be complacent.

I'd say the thinness, update in power and graphics are a huge update, given the whole 'mainstream tablet' thing - that Apple basically created - is just a year old.

And you said it yourself - iOS5 is on its way. Hardly anyone gives a shit about widgets, so including them as a new functionality with the iPad 2 would be a bullet point at best.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I think the iPad 2 is a safe update and not one that pushes it. They did a checklist/by the numbers hardware update but where they faltered IMO was announcing enhancements to the overall tablet experience by not adding any new features or functionality. iOS5 may change that, but I wish they could have at least hinted at it or something when they announced the iPad 2 where it should be highlighted. They didn't push here. It's a safe update. Just because the competition is lagging isn't reason they should be complacent.

You guys keep talking about that it's not about the hardware or the specs, but the experience itself but this update is more about the hardware and specs. Sure the improved hardware makes things smoother in some areas, but it's not like the iPad lagged or was a terrible experience to begin with.



Yay for you having a reading comprehension problem. I'm not pushing for Flash being there.

Yes you are. You can't complain about not being able to access Flash content and then claim you aren't pushing for it. You try to escape criticism on your shitty, shitty analysis of a product you don't even own by being vague and having undefined buzzwords as an expectation. For all your talk of "the experience," you can't actually put into any real terms what you think that means. You're like the girlfriend everyone had at 19 who had no idea what she wanted and would rather bitch about not getting it than define it.

You have no clue whatsoever what you want or what you expect that's actually realistic, but for some reason you're so desperate to contribute to the discussion that you just end up vomiting these completely useless critiques of something you clearly don't understand.

I know that by the time you've gotten to this point in my post that you're already composing your "I never said any such thing" reply in your head, and bro, just save your energy. We already know you didn't say any such thing because you haven't actually said anything at all.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I'd say the thinness, update in power and graphics are a huge update, given the whole 'mainstream tablet' thing - that Apple basically created - is just a year old.

And you said it yourself - iOS5 is on its way. Hardly anyone gives a shit about widgets, so including them as a new functionality with the iPad 2 would be a bullet point at best.

The thinness is nice. I didn't like the way the edges changed in pictures, but actually holding it was pretty nice so I'm ok with the curved edges now. The weight difference wasn't too noticeable. Sure when you compare side by side you can tell, but just picking it up, it didn't feel significantly lighter. I was hoping it would have felt a bit more lighter but I think I'm giving up on this point because I don't think Apple can do it based on how mch they tried to do it alredy.

As for the just a year old aspect, I though the whole reason the iPad felt more like a giant iPhone was because it was so new? At least that's the defense that's often used. So I was hoping that year could have helped to differentiate it. We'll see and like I said if I see enough changes, especially if they introduce some sort of widget, then I'll buy. It's that simple.

As for widgets, I really disagree that nobody cares. People care. Heck Android users swear by it and there are more new ones of those every day. I think once iOS gets it, and apps take advantage of it, you'll hear a lot more people get excited about it. This is the case of ignorance where many people don't know about it as well. It'll be one of those things were apps will differentiate themselves from the pack by having that functionality in the beginning I think. Assuming they even allow it.

 

[Mutagenic]

I want one of these on Friday. There's no way I'll be able to find one. To order online or not to order online... =(

 

[commish]

Can someone rename this thread please? Should be "Marty Chinn, the iPad, and YOU"

 

[sfedai0]

He would still moan and bitch even if he got exactly what he wanted.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

The thinness is nice. I didn't like the way the edges changed in pictures, but actually holding it was pretty nice so I'm ok with the curved edges now. The weight difference wasn't too noticeable. Sure when you compare side by side you can tell, but just picking it up, it didn't feel significantly lighter. I was hoping it would have felt a bit more lighter but I think I'm giving up on this point because I don't think Apple can do it based on how mch they tried to do it alredy.

As for the just a year old aspect, I though the whole reason the iPad felt more like a giant iPhone was because it was so new? At least that's the defense that's often used. So I was hoping that year could have helped to differentiate it. We'll see and like I said if I see enough changes, especially if they introduce some sort of widget, then I'll buy. It's that simple.

As for widgets, I really disagree that nobody cares. People care. Heck Android users swear by it and there are more new ones of those every day. I think once iOS gets it, and apps take advantage of it, you'll hear a lot more people get excited about it. This is the case of ignorance where many people don't know about it as well. It'll be one of those things were apps will differentiate themselves from the pack by having that functionality in the beginning I think. Assuming they even allow it.

Just the size difference alone differentiates it from the iPhone, IMO, but the interfaces are completely consistent going from one to the other. It works well with the extra real estate. I really haven't found the iPad lacking much, yet.

The easy argument here would be - if you want that stuff, get an Android tablet. I wouldn't rule them out (I really have no idea), but they seem to go against what Apple is trying to create with IOS.

 

[badcrumble]

I don't want widgets crowding the home screen, but (1) using app icons to display information and (2) using the same essential interface/animation as the folders to pop-open a little widget thingy right there on the Springboard would be pretty neat without throwing off the basic UI logic of iOS at all (which is the big danger with widgets).

As for notifications, I hope Apple does something closer to webOS than to Android's notification drawer.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Yes you are. You can't complain about not being able to access Flash content and then claim you aren't pushing for it. You try to escape criticism on your shitty, shitty analysis of a product you don't even own by being vague and having undefined buzzwords as an expectation. For all your talk of "the experience," you can't actually put into any real terms what you think that means. You're like the girlfriend everyone had at 19 who had no idea what she wanted and would rather bitch about it than define it.

You have no clue whatsoever what you want or what you expect that's actually realistic, but for some reason you're so desperate to contribute to the discussion that you just end up vomiting these completely useless critiques of something you clearly don't understand.

I know that by the time you've gotten to this point in my post that you're already composing your "I never said any such thing" reply in your head, and bro, just save your energy. We already know you didn't say any such thing because you haven't actually said anything at all.

I know Apple is never going to do it, so I'm not pushing for it. That doesn't mean that the lack of Flash is a flaw. I'm more annoyed by the people who try to pretend it's not a problem and that the Internet somehow no longer has Flash only content. Just accept it's a weakness, and that there is content out there that you can't access on an iOS device and stop defending that weakness is all I'm pushing for.

But you like to just jump all over without reading, or without taking into context and that's your problem not mine. Reading comprehension goes a long way. Maybe you should practice it.

You keep complaining about not knowing what I want but if you bothered to read it rather than just automatically assume it's crap, then maybe comprehending would have you actually understanding something rather than spewing the pointless responses that you like to respond with. I've been very consistant with what I want and let's also not confuse two different aspects.

1) There is what I want
2) There is what I think the tablet market is and its future

They aren't one and the same. I realize what I want isn't always the same as what the market wants and that's a key seperation. I buy $3000+ HDTVs and have networked servers in my house with content clients in each room in the form of XBMC clients and Squeezeboxes. I don't expect everyone to want such an elaborate setup nor do I expect that's the way the market should focus. The same goes for tablets.

 

[numble]

Maybe Apple will offer widgets if only to have another item to monetize. Though it would feel weird paying 99¢ to see just the weather update, when so many full-blown apps are at that price.

I'll bet it just be something that actual apps can have as a function, instead of a full-blown widget section in the App Store. And then some apps will make it free and some will make it an in-app purchase.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I know Apple is never going to do it, so I'm not pushing for it. That doesn't mean that the lack of Flash is a flaw. I'm more annoyed by the people who try to pretend it's not a problem and that the Internet somehow no longer has Flash only content. Just accept it's a weakness, and that there is content out there that you can't access on an iOS device and stop defending that weakness is all I'm pushing for.

But you like to just jump all over without reading, or without taking into context and that's your problem not mine. Reading comprehension goes a long way. Maybe you should practice it.

You keep complaining about not knowing what I want but if you bothered to read it rather than just automatically assume it's crap, then maybe comprehending would have you actually understanding something rather than spewing the pointless responses that you like to respond with. I've been very consistant with what I want and let's also not confuse two different aspects.

1) There is what I want
2) There is what I think the tablet market is and its future

They aren't one and the same. I realize what I want isn't always the same as what the market wants and that's a key seperation. I buy $3000+ HDTVs and have networked servers in my house with content clients in each room in the form of XBMC clients and Squeezeboxes. I don't expect everyone to want such an elaborate setup nor do I expect that's the way the market should focus. The same goes for tablets.

It's like chatting with CleverBot, only the responses are never accidentally funny.

 

[Fusebox]

Fucking widgets... and WEATHER widgets of all things. Go stick your head out the window I say!

 

[Marty Chinn]

It's like chatting with CleverBot, only the responses are never accidentally funny.

Pot calling the kettle black....

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Maybe Apple will offer widgets if only to have another item to monetize. Though it would feel weird paying 99¢ to see just the weather update, when so many full-blown apps are at that price.

I'll bet it just be something that actual apps can have as a function, instead of a full-blown widget section in the App Store. And then some apps will make it free and some will make it an in-app purchase.

The thing is, if you jailbreak, you can get that sort of at-a-glance lockscreen functionality for weather, email, messages etc. Perhaps not as in depth as the Android equivalents, but if people are chasing weather info (how often do people look at the weather, by the way?) it's easily done. Floating widgets on the springboard/desktop seem to go against the entire setup of the IOS.

 

[user_nat]

iPad 1 owners who upgraded to iPad 2.. worth it?

 

[Tobor]

iPad 1 owners who upgraded to iPad 2.. worth it?

Definitely. If you can afford it and get a decent price for your gen 1, jump in.

 

[Marty Chinn]

The thing is, if you jailbreak, you can get that sort of at-a-glance lockscreen functionality for weather, email, messages etc. Perhaps not as in depth as the Android equivalents, but if people are chasing weather info (how often do people look at the weather, by the way?) it's easily done. Floating widgets on the springboard/desktop seem to go against the entire setup of the IOS.

Wake up in the morning and turn your iPad on to see general info for the day. One being weather. Is it going to be hot today? Is it going to rain? Is it going to snow if you live in an area of snow? How is this not useful for deciding what to wear or bring with you for the day at a glance? You can't look out the window and know what it's going to be like in a few hours. Plus why is weather the only widget people can think of? There are other widgets that are useful.

The problem with jailbreaking is you have a limited scope of what you can use as widgets on the home screen where as an Apple solution would mean any app could create their own widget and have code that interacts with it. It's like jailbreaking can't give you push support.

Multitasking went against the entire setup of iOS, and look where we are.

 

[LyleLanley]

iPad 1 owners who upgraded to iPad 2.. worth it?

As someone who just got the iPad 2, I love the upgrade. Browsing the internet on it, especially with iCab, is so much better than before. Beyond that, the speed increase is nice but it will really shine when apps that take advantage of the hardware upgrades come out. The cameras are a bit of a disappointment though, I knew they would be bad, but the rear camera is really bad. I wish they would've just gone with one good camera in the front and skipped the rear camera.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Wake up in the morning and turn your iPad on to see general info for the day. One being weather. Is it going to be hot today? Is it going to rain? Is it going to snow if you live in an area of snow? How is this not useful for deciding what to wear or bring with you for the day at a glance? You can't look out the window and know what it's going to be like in a few hours. Plus why is weather the only widget people can think of? There are other widgets that are useful.

The problem with jailbreaking is you have a limited scope of what you can use as widgets on the home screen where as an Apple solution would mean any app could create their own widget and have code that interacts with it. It's like jailbreaking can't give you push support.

Multitasking went against the entire setup of iOS, and look where we are.

Heard of the weather app? You click it once and it shows you a forecast. I'd look at the weather once a day to know what gear to take on my bike to work during winter, if that. News, i have proper apps and websites. I just can't see how widget functionality, while handy, would tip someone over into making the purchase (or not, in your case). If that functionality is so important, you should get an Android machine.

 

[LyleLanley]

Wake up in the morning and turn your iPad on to see general info for the day. One being weather. Is it going to be hot today? Is it going to rain? Is it going to snow if you live in an area of snow? How is this not useful for deciding what to wear or bring with you for the day at a glance? You can't look out the window and know what it's going to be like in a few hours. Plus why is weather the only widget people can think of? There are other widgets that are useful.

The problem with jailbreaking is you have a limited scope of what you can use as widgets on the home screen where as an Apple solution would mean any app could create their own widget and have code that interacts with it. It's like jailbreaking can't give you push support.

Multitasking went against the entire setup of iOS, and look where we are.

Not that I'm against the idea of widgets, but what's the point of widgets on an iPad? I can understand wanting widgets on the iPhone lockscreen so you can see the weather and calendar items, etc. while you're doing other things but how often do you need instant info like that on your ipad?

 

[Marty Chinn]

Heard of the weather app? You click it once and it shows you a forecast. I'd look at the weather once a day to know what gear to take on my bike to work during winter, if that. News, i have proper apps and websites. I just can't see how widget functionality, while handy, would tip someone over into making the purchase (or not, in your case). If that functionality is so important, you should get an Android machine.

Ya, and it doesn't even update the icon like the calendar does. The point of widgets is that you don't have to keep going in and out of apps to get all your content. It's right there for you all on one screen for a quick glance. I used this example before. Do you use a RSS Reader? If so why do you do that instead of going to each website? Now expand that out to more info and that's one good usage of widgets. It's so you don't have to keep digging down to get to stuff. If you want more you can then go into the app itself, but it seems silly to wake up or come home and do:

1) Click on weather app
2) Click on calendar app
3) Click on e-mail
4) Click on facebook
5) Click on Twitter
6) Click on RSS
and so forth when you could get it basic info all at a glance.

Not that I'm against the idea of widgets, but what's the point of widgets on an iPad? I can understand wanting widgets on the iPhone lockscreen so you can see the weather and calendar items, etc. while you're doing other things but how often do you need instant info like that on your ipad?

I think on an iPad it's nicer because you have more screen real estate space to work with plus see above. I mean really, having just 20 icons per page is good use of all that screen space? Simple, I agree, but surely you can make better use of something that big.

 

[LyleLanley]

Ya, and it doesn't even update the icon like the calendar does. The point of widgets is that you don't have to keep going in and out of apps to get all your content. It's right there for you all on one screen for a quick glance. I used this example before. Do you use a RSS Reader? If so why do you do that instead of going to each website? Now expand that out to more info and that's one good usage of widgets. It's so you don't have to keep digging down to get to stuff. If you want more you can then go into the app itself, but it seems silly to wake up or come home and do:

1) Click on weather app
2) Click on calendar app
3) Click on e-mail
4) Click on facebook
5) Click on Twitter
6) Click on RSS
and so forth when you could get it basic info all at a glance.

I'd rather have a decent notification system that can show you that all of these things have updates rather than having my lockscreen getting filled with crap from my facebook, twitter and rss feeds.

I think on an iPad it's nicer because you have more screen real estate space to work with plus see above. I mean really, having just 20 icons per page is good use of all that screen space? Simple, I agree, but surely you can make better use of something that big.

My point is that widgets make more sense on a device made for short quick interactions, not something like an iPad.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

The point of widgets is that you don't have to keep going in and out of apps to get all your content.

Yeah, I'll pay that. Still, I don't see it happening.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

Sorry guys, I have to take back what I said before. Marty actually is CleverBot.

 

[Tobor]

There are so many things I'd like to see Apple work on before widgets. Off the top of my head: Podcast subscriptions, a full version of iPhoto, wireless syncing(which would actually resolve my podcast subscription request), cloud storage, and AirDrop between OS X Lion and iOS.

1) Click on weather app
2) Click on calendar app
3) Click on e-mail
4) Click on facebook
5) Click on Twitter
6) Click on RSS

Picturing all that stuff on one screen at the same time makes me want to throw up in my mouth. SMH. I'll open the apps, thanks.

 

[Blackhead]

iPad 1 owners who upgraded to iPad 2.. worth it?

Hell yes. Especially as my use of the iPad 1 tailed off last year. Thinner, lighter, more ergonomic is the way to go.

 

[Marty Chinn]

There are so many things I'd like to see Apple work on before widgets. Off the top of my head: Podcast subscriptions, a full version of iPhoto, wireless syncing(which would actually resolve my podcast subscription request), cloud storage, and AirDrop between OS X Lion and iOS.



Picturing all that stuff on one screen at the same time makes me want to throw up in my mouth. SMH. I'll open the apps, thanks.

It's only 6 items and it doesn't have to be a ton of stuff or cluttered. It's just an example of how you can use at a glance info. One of the core concepts of user experience is to reduce the depth or number of clicks that you have to do something. I don't see how there isn't some way to expand on not having to open one app at a time to see things. It's just a slow process.

 

[foodtaster]

Anyone want to sell me their iPad one for $300? (Yes, I know, but GAFer discount, amrite?)

 

[numble]

Anyone want to sell me their iPad one for $300? (Yes, I know, but GAFer discount, amrite?)

It's 349 (plus tax) on the Apple Store for a refurbished 16gb one, which comes with a 1-year warranty. If you go on Craigslist, you might find them cheaper.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Anyone want to sell me their iPad one for $300? (Yes, I know, but GAFer discount, amrite?)

You can get a refurb 16gb Wifi from apple.com for $349.

 

[LyleLanley]

It's only 6 items and it doesn't have to be a ton of stuff or cluttered. It's just an example of how you can use at a glance info. One of the core concepts of user experience is to reduce the depth or number of clicks that you have to do something. I don't see how there isn't some way to expand on not having to open one app at a time to see things. It's just a slow process.

Given Apples move to full screen apps in Lion I have a feeling they disagree with you.

 

[captive]

Picturing all that stuff on one screen at the same time makes me want to throw up in my mouth. SMH. I'll open the apps, thanks.

Good for you. There's nothing wrong with options... You want to open different apps some may want to be able to look at one screen. Make so some have the option to turn them on while others have the option to have just a plain wall of icons.

 

[Stat Flow]

Picturing all that stuff on one screen at the same time makes me want to throw up in my mouth. SMH. I'll open the apps, thanks.

Eh. It'd be nice to have an email widget and rss widget to scroll through. No one's saying that they would all have to be on the same screen. Same with Weather.

 

[Talon]

There are so many things I'd like to see Apple work on before widgets. Off the top of my head: Podcast subscriptions, a full version of iPhoto, wireless syncing(which would actually resolve my podcast subscription request), cloud storage, and AirDrop between OS X Lion and iOS.

You forgot notifications.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Eh. It'd be nice to have an email widget and rss widget to scroll through. No one's saying that they would all have to be on the same screen. Same with Weather.

But flicking to another screen with a widget on it is the same as hitting the Email icon to open the full app? I don't get it.

You forgot notifications.

Truth. I jailbreak mainly to use BiteSMS on the iPhone, it's awesome. Would be nice to have the functionality built in.

 

[polyh3dron]

So the iPad is just a big iPhone you say?

I say an iPhone is just a small iPad.

 

[foodtaster]

It's 349 (plus tax) on the Apple Store for a refurbished 16gb one, which comes with a 1-year warranty. If you go on Craigslist, you might find them cheaper.

That's pretty good. Y'know, I have a NOOK Color + another Nook Color new in the box. Should I sell both and get an iPad 2? Sell 1 and add $~$125 in cash to get an iPad, or keep the NOOK and wait it out for the iPad 3 HD?

 

[mrkgoo]

It's only 6 items and it doesn't have to be a ton of stuff or cluttered. It's just an example of how you can use at a glance info. One of the core concepts of user experience is to reduce the depth or number of clicks that you have to do something. I don't see how there isn't some way to expand on not having to open one app at a time to see things. It's just a slow process.

It may actually be a little deliberate. They may want to focus on the app experience, at least on the iPhone, by making it by a utility device rather than a mini Desktop.

Of late, I have been wanting apps that actually do less, rather than more. I want apps that do one thing, but does them well, rather than an app that half-arses a dozen functions.

But that's a different discussion.

I would actually love to see some live-updating icon api action if it wasn't a huge drain to battery.

 

[Marty Chinn]

You forgot notifications.

I think we all assume that notifications is a given at this point in iOS5. It would be pretty sad if we didn't get it at this point.

 

[Tobor]

It's only 6 items and it doesn't have to be a ton of stuff or cluttered. It's just an example of how you can use at a glance info. One of the core concepts of user experience is to reduce the depth or number of clicks that you have to do something. I don't see how there isn't some way to expand on not having to open one app at a time to see things. It's just a slow process.

It's completely antithetical to Apple's whole approach to UI right now. They've fully embraced taking apps full screen, even moving that philosophy into OS X. Tiny boxes filled with bits of info is going the other direction. I could see two possibilities. Live app icons, or a separate widget dashboard that's hidden from view unless called, like on OS X. Anything other than that seems like a step backwards from their current approach.

I don't see them changing the way Safari handles tabs, either. The current method works well, especially on the iPad 2. Notifications is the most likely to be overhauled.

 

[foodtaster]

Live tiles/icons > widgets. I want the weather icon to simply occasionally turn into the current temperature. The mail to change to a number with number of unread, safari to flash if a website I specify updates a certain number of items, etc.

 

[numble]

That's pretty good. Y'know, I have a NOOK Color + another Nook Color new in the box. Should I sell both and get an iPad 2? Sell 1 and add $~$125 in cash to get an iPad, or keep the NOOK and wait it out for the iPad 3 HD?

I don't have any experience with the Nook or what they go for on Craigslist. You maybe could put it out there and see what offers you can get. I was able to sell an iPad 1 16gb for $350 there 3 days ago, so maybe you can get a good deal.

 

[jonnybryce]

I don't mind the iPad 2 being iPad 1.5 like so many reviews are suggesting ("iPad 1 owners don't have much reason to upgrade" is everywhere) but why is the camera so bad? All the reviews I'm reading say it's terrible for video and still shots. The iPhone 4's camera is great, there's no reason for that.

If I was more into Garage Band I'd pick up the iPad 2 but for now my iPhone is all I need.