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[Into the Light]

In January I stated, that he will never be as hot as he was then, and that this was a mistake. I stand by this thought. How ever bad WWE might have used him, he will not be hotter not even if he wins at the next WK.

I wasn't there, so I don't know what the offer was, the only way I would have turned the WWE down is if the offer was an insult. You are not getting any younger homeboy.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

So can anyone tell me he made the right decision to stay?

You say this like Vince, or lolhhh, would have capitalized

Notable times WWE has looked at a hot talent, and what they immediately did after:

Fandango chant: run it into the ground in a month
Finally pushing Bryan: agreeing to let him jump off a forklift to headbutt Kane for the benefit of a C-PPV
Sign Styles: have him feud with, and lose at Mania to, a then-part time Jericho calling him a young kid
Call up Nakamura: have him feud with Dolph because he's calling him a poor man's Japanese Michael Jackson

 

[Hex]

He'll maybe get the belt for a month or two and then job it back to BOrekada

Better jobbing it to Okada or someone than Reigns or Cena

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

He also gets to do killer tours around the world with the Bucks and be the big deal that everyone comes to see

Don't forget he's been living there for a while now and is very assimilated there.

Let's see how WWE handles Tommy End and then we can start up the "when will kenny jump" convo again

 

[Data West]

NJPW does not hotshot book like WWE.
Omega will not be in the title picture again until later in the year to build to a WK rematch

????

 

[Pikma]

Better jobbing it to Okada or someone than Reigns or Cena

There's barely any difference

 

[excelsiorlef]

NJPW does not hotshot book like WWE.
Omega will not be in the title picture again until later in the year to build to a WK rematch

Ehhh I think with Okada beating Fale and him beating Ishii this sets up a natural faceoff between Omega and Okada possibly as soon as the G1 specials in LA...

Good knows if I wanted to do something big I'd put the belt on Omega in the US

 

[Data West]

There's barely any difference

people actually know who john cena is

 

[Into the Light]

You say this like Vince, or lolhhh, would have capitalized

Notable times WWE has looked at a hot talent, and what they immediately did after:

Fandango chant: run it into the ground in a month
Finally pushing Bryan: agreeing to let him jump off a forklift to headbutt Kane for the benefit of a C-PPV
Sign Styles: have him feud with, and lose at Mania to, a then-part time Jericho calling him a young kid
Call up Nakamura: have him feud with Dolph because he's calling him a poor man's Japanese Michael Jackson

Everything you said is true. I cannot argue. I just see Omega as 2017 Brian Pillman. Something WWE needs so badly, someone to throw people off their heels.

 

[excelsiorlef]

You say this like Vince, or lolhhh, would have capitalized

Notable times WWE has looked at a hot talent, and what they immediately did after:

Fandango chant: run it into the ground in a month
Finally pushing Bryan: agreeing to let him jump off a forklift to headbutt Kane for the benefit of a C-PPV
Sign Styles: have him feud with, and lose at Mania to, a then-part time Jericho calling him a young kid
Call up Nakamura: have him feud with Dolph because he's calling him a poor man's Japanese Michael Jackson

No no no Dolph didn't call him a poor man's Japanese Micheal Jackson... he accused him of actually being Micheal Jackson

 

[SallyIsNow]

There's barely any difference

people actually know who john cena is

Damn

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Everything you said is true. I cannot argue. I just see Omega as 2017 Brian Pillman. Something WWE needs so badly, someone to throw people off their heels.

Wow, I think you just nailed how he could fit in WWE. Except there is literally no one in the fed to use that kind of unhinged antics on.

I feel like they tried this with Dean but he hardly ever was 'lunatic' and was more of 'guy who goofs off'.

 

[Tagyhag]

People forget that with Shibata out of the picture, that's one less person in the main event that needs to be filled. I can totally see Omega getting a rematch next WK.

 

[Pikma]

People forget that with Shibata out of the picture, that's one less person in the main event that needs to be filled. I can totally see Omega getting a rematch next WK.

But he was never in the main event, he probably was about to be but who knows what the plans were

 

[Tagyhag]

But he was never in the main event, he probably was about to be but who knows what the plans were

It's true that he could have been a placeholder but I bet they had more plans for him.

 

[SallyIsNow]

Holy shit Hogan is the face in this. Holy shit this is fucking awful.

 

[half a moon]

~uguu

 

[Pikma]

Holy shit Hogan is the face in this. Holy shit this is fucking awful.

What are you watching?

 

[SallyIsNow]

What are you watching?

Hog Wild 96

That was one of the worst things ever. Hogan was playing face post nWo. Fuck WCW

 

[excelsiorlef]

Hog Wild 96

That was one of the worst things ever. Hogan was playing face post nWo. Fuck WCW

Hogan isn't a face at Hog Wild 96...

NWO made things weird wherein faces and heels of WCW were targeted alike.

It's a heel vs heel match

 

[Nocturnowl]

No no no Dolph didn't call him a poor man's Japanese Micheal Jackson... he accused him of actually being Micheal Jackson

Probably the most baffling promo I've sat through in some time.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Probably the most baffling promo I've sat through in some time.

One of the worst of all time

 

[Heroman]

Okada run has made the IWGP belt one of most coveted things in Wrestling right and when Omega beats it will cement Omega as the greatest gajin in modern Japanese pro wrestling.

 

[SallyIsNow]

Hogan isn't a face at Hog Wild 96...

NWO made things weird wherein faces and heels of WCW were targeted alike.

It's a heel vs heel match

Man, what a mess. Awful awful awful match

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

The Giant hulks up in that match, IIRC, which is just sad.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Okada run has made the IWGP belt one of most coveted things in Wrestling right and when Omega beats it will cement Omega as the greatest gajin in modern Japanese pro wrestling.

This is actually true, I'm looking forward to Okada losing but that's part of the effectiveness of the storyline

 

[Bluekaveli]

Poor guy, you fucked up

 

[SallyIsNow]

I'm looking forward to hearing about Okada losing the belt. Not staying up for that shit.

 

[Pikma]

Can't wait for Roman to beat Brock and make the Universal shit belt one of the most coveted things in wrestling

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

According to Dave Meltzer on the latest Wrestling Observer Newsletter, the likely reason why WWE is turning Charlotte face is because they want to make her the “women’s face of the Smackdown brand” moving forward. WWE feels that with Charlotte’s name value and ring presence, that she can be a huge star and fan favorite for years to come.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Charlotte is better than Becky...

Now if that translates as a face who knows...

 

[SallyIsNow]

Based Dunn

 

[Sweeney Tom]

It was inevitable that even Creative would turn on Becky

 

[Hidden One]

I got no sold

 

[The Silver]

face Charlotte? Feel like she'll go over about as well as face Seth, she's just too damn natural at being #TheQueen.

 

[excelsiorlef]

face Charlotte? Feel like she'll go over about as well as face Seth, she's just too damn natural at being #TheQueen.

I mean Ric Flair was a natural heel but was also a great face, we'll see what happens

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Charlotte is better than Becky...

Now if that translates as a face who knows...

Becky's a much better babyface (she's probably the best babyface on the main roster) then Charlotte. Charlotte is one of my favorites right but Charlotte's face run was terrible. They had to resort to getting Paige to insult her dead brother to try and get Paige some heat.

WWE have two completely natural faces and heels in Becky and Charlotte respectively. Charlotte's one of the few heels to get actual heat. Turning her face seems like such a bad idea. Maybe it'll be better given that Charlotte has increased in ability so much since late 2015 but she's such a good heel.

 

[half a moon]

14 hour twitch streams make it hard to watch wrasslin

 

[excelsiorlef]

It was inevitable that even Creative would turn on Becky

I mean they did have her flat out lose her feud with Alexa and give her top babyface spot to Naomi, which was surprising to be honest but now you can see that they lost confidence in her a while ago I guess... weird, betya Vince hates her accent

 

[excelsiorlef]

Becky's a much better babyface (she's probably the best babyface on the main roster) then Charlotte. Charlotte is one of my favorites right but Charlotte's face run was terrible. They had to resort to getting Paige to insult her dead brother to try and get Paige some heat.

WWE have two completely natural faces and heels in Becky and Charlotte respectively. Charlotte's one of the few heels to get actual heat. Turning her face seems like such a bad idea. Maybe it'll be better given that Charlotte has increased in ability so much since late 2015 but she's such a good heel.

Yeah I dunno, I won't lie and say I'm not curious, I love Charlotte so I'm cautiously optimistic. If they do this i kinda hope they give Becky shot at a heel run just to see what it's like

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

I mean they did have her flat out lose her feud with Alexa and give her top babyface spot to Naomi, which was surprising to be honest but now you can see that they lost confidence in her a while ago I guess... weird, betya Vince hates her accent

There was the rumor a while back that Dunn hated the accent and was cutting her promo time as a result. Vince loves his Irish so I doubt he hates the accent.

It's kind of ridiculous how bad her booking is. She's hugely over but constantly gets booked like an idiot. Just this week Smackdown literally ended with We Want Becky chants happening in a segment containing every woman on the roster but her. That's prime babyface material. Her booking is some of the worst in the company yet she still remains over.

 

[excelsiorlef]

There was the rumor a while back that Dunn hated the accent and was cutting her promo time as a result. Vince loves his Irish so I doubt he hates the accent.

It's kind of ridiculous how bad her booking is. She's hugely over but constantly gets booked like an idiot. Just this week Smackdown literally ended with We Want Becky chants happening in a segment containing every woman on the roster but her. That's prime babyface material. Her booking is some of the worst in the company yet she still remains over.

She's in Bray Country...

Yeah for the record turning her heel is probably dumb, but I'm just really curious to see it.

 

[Angry Grimace]

orton v bray is non-title... lol.

wtf is going on in that company. At least that means that Bray could / should win I guess.

They could preface it by saying management won't allow the title to be on the line. Which is both true and sensible.

 

[excelsiorlef]

They could preface it by saying management won't allow the title to be on the line. Which is both true and sensible.

I want them to say it's because Jinder stole it LOL

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

She's in Bray Country...

Yeah for the record turning her heel is probably dumb, but I'm just really curious to see it.

I doubt they'll turn her heel (but who knows). I think the plan is maybe to shift the top heel role to Natalya. Also I think Meltzer might be reading way too much into why Natalya isn't over as a heel.

Natalya has been pushed as the leader of the new heel group and is the best wrestler on the Smackdown women’s roster. She and Charlotte have done programs before. Their NXT stuff really helped change the face of the women and put Charlotte on the map in many ways. Their Raw stuff was a disappointment due to some bad finishes and cut times of the big bouts. Now the roles are reversed, which is okay. But the problem with Natalya is still the people who watch Total Divas like her. It comes across that she’s this nice pretty woman always struggling with her position in the company and hoping for a break. That makes her someone people can relate to, and is being told to play bad guy in an attempt to do something with her and is struggling with getting over in that role. That’s not exactly a heat getting heel role.

He's making it sound like it's because of Total Divas showing her to be too nice which isn't true because even as a babyface Natalya wasn't getting much reaction.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I doubt they'll turn her heel (but who knows). I think the plan is maybe to shift the top heel role to Natalya. Also I think Meltzer might be reading way too much into why Natalya isn't over as a heel.



He's making it sound like it's because of Total Divas showing her to be too nice which isn't true because even as a babyface Natalya wasn't getting much reaction.

I just think 4 on 2 is better than 3 on 3 in a babyface vs heel fight...

Then again they should stay both face so that Charlotte can pull a Ric on Becky and Sting the fuck out of her in some big angle lol

 

[Zach]

Heh.

 

[Syder]

Wow, I think you just nailed how he could fit in WWE. Except there is literally no one in the fed to use that kind of unhinged antics on.

I feel like they tried this with Dean but he hardly ever was 'lunatic' and was more of 'guy who goofs off'.

Dean Ambrose is Disney-ified Brian Pillman. I've seen him compared to Pillman, Stone Cold, Foley and frankly it's insulting.

 

[Zach]

2009 is in the books!

 

[The Silver]

I mean Ric Flair was a natural heel but was also a great face, we'll see what happens

you can't be comparing people to Flair, that aint fair