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Brock is fine, even with the loss. There's enough ammunition there to keep Brock credible to people. Maybe not with the IWC but for all the other fans of the product, there's still plenty to go back to.

 

[Conrad Link]

Why is Ziggler losing like this just so they can dance for 5min after, how many times are they gonna repeat it?

Ryback's stuff is so lame, how long are they gonna do it for? Jobbers watching a TV with their terribad 'acting' "OH MAN I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS" while he squashes more jobbers in the ring. How long until the jobbers watching the TV are actually in the ring losing to him going OH YEAR AHAHAHA OUCH?

Why is this like everyones 'story'? Why is every match a monster/body builder type guy vs a regular wrestler???

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHY

On Smackdown Booker T was like "Oh man this guy reminds me of someone" and I'm like well at least they're admitting they just recreated an EXACT Goldberg character copy and then he's like "Reminds me of Mike Tyson" lol.

 

[jmdajr]

Everyone here needs to relax. Ya'll get too worked up.

 

[Striker]

They should have Brock interrupt a Brodus Clay match and he destroys him. Maybe that stupid undefeated gimmick can die in a fire.

 

[thefro]

Brock is fine, even with the loss. There's enough ammunition there to keep Brock credible to people. Maybe not with the IWC but for all the other fans of the product, there's still plenty to go back to.

Yeah, but the obvious booking would be for him to squash Cena, then Cena can get his win back later (or do a Sting v.s. Vader-type deal where Cena does better against Lesnar each time before finally winning).

 

[plagiarize]

Brock is fine, even with the loss. There's enough ammunition there to keep Brock credible to people. Maybe not with the IWC but for all the other fans of the product, there's still plenty to go back to.

And while Cena – who also took an elbow in the opening moments of the match that split his head open – beat Lesnar by a narrow margin with an Attitude Adjustment on the steel steps, it appears he has ended up the worse for wear despite the victory.

yup.

 

[Parallax]

They should have Brock interrupt a Brodus Clay match and he destroys him. Maybe that stupid undefeated gimmick can die in a fire.

If he kicks hornswaggle after he slams broadus, he'll be in my fave five.

 

[jmdajr]

yup.

reminds me of this...

Bulls win, but pay price as Derrick Rose is done for year

On a side note it was weird seeing blood last night after it having been gone for so long.

 

[Guzim]

reminds me of this...

The "Win it for D. Rose" sign broke my heart every single time I saw it

 

[MC Safety]

They should have Brock interrupt a Brodus Clay match and he destroys him. Maybe that stupid undefeated gimmick can die in a fire.

I think your gimmick is pretty much over when you're paired with the dancing leprechaun.

And wouldn't it make sense to give the dancing gimmick to the guy who can dance? Brodus Clay is no Ernest "the Cat" Miller.

 

[Brinbe]

Well, he just beat Ziggs in a PPV match... so it's not ending anytime soon, unfortunately. This new era of bigman squashes is here to stay.

 

[BoboBrazil]

I have no idea what Brock was trying to do there, but I love it

Seemed pretty clear what he was trying to do. Brock thought it was the finish and Cena was going to punch him with the chain, but Cena wasn't ready and that happened. Right after Brock gets up and does the exact same thing in the ring except Cena hits him with the chain.

 

[Striker]

When was Ziggler's last win by pinfall on RAW? He lost to Santino and Brodus in the shows I've paid attention to. He was not doing much pre-WM either. smh :\

 

[Entropia]

They don't in most cases because the company treats it that way. Ziggler has jobbed to everyone in recent months and he's as loved as ever (at least by us).

But this was Brock's first match back and you're trying to sell him as some MMA monster who's taking over, but whoops, he gets beat by the top guy "with one working arm" that he knocked around for twenty minutes. Welp... that matters. Even if Brock he goes insane streak on everyone from here on out, what does it matter. He already lost to the Super Cena, there nowhere to really go from there. And that's why a Win or Loss matters, that's what people pay for, ultimately.

And it's sad because they had the perfect blueprint already in how they built up Mark Henry's Championship run last Summer/Fall. That's how you fucking do it, it's so easy. And they already dropped the ball after three weeks.

Holy shit, and this talk about "punishment" for Brock IS SOOOOOO STUPID. This is a fucking publicly-traded business with shareholders who've invested tons of money, and that they've purposefully tried to lose money, to save face and get in good with the boys in the back is just beyond comprehension. Talk about the stupidest most carny, backwards-ass shit.

This is Vince we're talking about. He undoubtedly gives 0 fucks about the shareholders and only cares about stroking his ego and making sure he gets what he wants out of the product. Whether it be embarrassing JR or having Brock job to Cena.



Also!

Apparently this dude only has 1 shirt?

 

[jmdajr]

Apparently this dude only has 1 shirt?

I was watching something on Netflix and saw him again. Wrestlemania 27 for that matter. Same shirt too. I hope he washes it.

 

[Kyoufu]

This is Vince we're talking about. He undoubtedly gives 0 fucks about the shareholders and only cares about stroking his ego and making sure he gets what he wants out of the product. Whether it be embarrassing JR or having Brock job to Cena.



Also!

Apparently this dude only has 1 shirt?

Lol the guy next him in the white blazer is the same guy from last year's MITB and the events since. Hope he washes that jacket.

 

[jmdajr]

Lol the guy next him in the white blazer is the same guy from last year's MITB and the events since. Hope he washes that jacket.

So are they super fans? Part of creative? What's the story?

 

[Mr. Luchador]

Lesnar's Rey Mysterio moment was class.

 

[Conrad Link]

Layla is back that is all that matters.

It was like uuhhhhhhh ok, that was, not what I was expecting. Kind of ruined my mark out moment for her return.

But its ok.

Sad to see the Bellas go if that was it though.

 

[jmdajr]

Layla is back that is all that matters.

It was like uuhhhhhhh ok, that was, unexpected.

But its ok.

Sad to see the Bellas go if that was it though.

Someone was mentioning of that two Bellas only one of them can really wrestle. I guess I never really took the time to notice.

 

[G-Fex]

So much for them, we got to the BELLAS of the problem.

 

[Guzim]

Lol the guy next him in the white blazer is the same guy from last year's MITB and the events since. Hope he washes that jacket.

Super fans, but I believe that both of them are from Chicago.

 

[BoboBrazil]

8 minutes into today's observer radio and this is already classic. Alvarez is going crazy.

 

[sajj316]

This is Vince we're talking about. He undoubtedly gives 0 fucks about the shareholders and only cares about stroking his ego and making sure he gets what he wants out of the product. Whether it be embarrassing JR or having Brock job to Cena.

In addition, as a publicly traded company, do you really think they will have their top face lose to Rock at Mania, to Tensai at RAW, get one upped by Lesnar leading to the match, and then lose to Cena at Extreme rules? Let's take off our smark vision glasses for a minute and understand that Cena pushes ALOT of business. The reason why Punk is still champion is that he NOW pushes ALOT of business. The loss to Cena does not hurt Brock as much as you think. Just as Cena's loss to the Rock didn't hurt Cena. Cena needs to sell that he's hurt by Lesnar thus pushing Lesnar as someone that doesn't care about wins or losses, just "hurting" people. I assume this is the direction that they are going, one would hope. It would have been better for Cena and Brock if Cena was knocked out .. but that's my opinion.

 

[krae_man]

With the understanding that all mid-card titles are interchangeable garbage, what was the last time a heel won a "meaningful" match of any significance and looked strong in doing so? (i.e. Lord Tensai winning an already-forgotten match on RAW with the assist of Sakamoto, Otunga and Johnny Ace is not meaningful, Kane beating Orton after an overlong match at Mania is not significant).

I suppose, technically, it was D.Brine beating Santino to win the Elimination Chamber match and retain his title but still... that was Santino.

Prior to that I want to say it was Del Rio defeating Cena in a Last Man Standing match at Vengeance for the WWE Title (the infamous collapsed ring match). And he had the help of Ricardo and other shenanigans while doing so.

Heels just don't get put over strong in matches of any consequence these days.

Del Rio defeated Rey Mysterio Clean right before Cena called him a fraud of a champion who hasn't beat anybody.

Even HHH needed help to win when he was Heel. The only heel or even won fair and square consistently was Randy Orton.

 

[Ultratech]

Speaking of Extreme Rules...

ER 2011: John Cena defeated The Miz (c) and John Morrison in a Triple Threat Steel Cage match for the WWE Championship.

ER 2010: John Cena (c) defeated Batista in a Last Man Standing match for the WWE Championship. Duct Tape was involved.

ER 2009: John Cena defeated The Big Show in a Submission match.


I hate patterns.

Look at any ppv over the last 7 years. 99% of the time it's Cena defeated ???

Sadly, that's true. It's practically the default victory plan at this point.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Speaking of Extreme Rules...

1 Year Ago: John Cena defeated The Miz (c) and John Morrison in a Triple Threat Steel Cage match for the WWE Championship.

2 Years Ago: John Cena (c) defeated Batista in a Last Man Standing match for the WWE Championship. Duct Tape was involved.

3 Years Ago: John Cena defeated The Big Show in a Submission match.


I hate patterns.

Look at any ppv over the last 7 years. 99% of the time it's Cena defeated ???

 

[Conrad Link]

I guess I just don't understand why the Bellas would be let go above any of the other useless 'divas' they seem to have in countless numbers.

Was it simply a case of we want to ditch some people and your contract is up first so I guess its you?

 

[plagiarize]

In addition, as a publicly traded company, do you really think they will have their top face lose to Rock at Mania, to Tensai at RAW, get one upped by Lesnar leading to the match, and then lose to Cena at Extreme rules? Let's take off our smark vision glasses for a minute and understand that Cena pushes ALOT of business. The reason why Punk is still champion is that he NOW pushes ALOT of business. The loss to Cena does not hurt Brock as much as you think. Just as Cena's loss to the Rock didn't hurt Cena. Cena needs to sell that he's hurt by Lesnar thus pushing Lesnar as someone that doesn't care about wins or losses, just "hurting" people. I assume this is the direction that they are going, one would hope. It would have been better for Cena and Brock if Cena was knocked out .. but that's my opinion.

if Bryan and Sheamus hadn't done something similar, having Cena refuse to tap to an arm in side choke and go out would have been good too.

Brock looked way more of a monster in this defeat than Tensai looked in his win. anyone disagree?

I guess I just don't understand why the Bellas would be let go above any of the other useless 'divas' they seem to have in countless numbers.

Was it simply a case of we want to ditch some people and your contract is up first so I guess its you?

their contract was up and they decided to go elsewhere. i don't believe they were fired.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Angle bulking up again with the hgh after he stopped training for the olympic trials.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

ER 2010: John Cena (c) defeated Batista in a Last Man Standing match for the WWE Championship. Duct Tape was involved.

See this? This is an actual crime. This is what people should be upset about, even to this day. Horrible. HORRIBLE. Fuckin bastard...

 

[MC Safety]

A few things from Meltzer on Observer Radio a couple days ago:
--When Kaitlyn was supposed to turn heel on AJ a few months ago and join Beth Phoenix and Natalya, the whole thing was scrapped because Vince wasn't happy with Kaitlyn's weight at the time.

Vince McMahon may give Karma up to two weeks back before the fat jokes begin.

 

[G-Fex]

I bet you guys are all sorry you're not part of the Cenanation now huh guys?

 

[Judderman]

Angle bulking up again with the hgh after he stopped training for the olympic trials.

He looks frightful.

 

[Conrad Link]

their contract was up and they decided to go elsewhere. i don't believe they were fired.

Oh thats ok then, good luck to them.

 

[sajj316]

if Bryan and Sheamus hadn't done something similar, having Cena refuse to tap to an arm in side choke and go out would have been good too.

Brock looked way more of a monster in this defeat than Tensai looked in his win. anyone disagree?



their contract was up and they decided to go elsewhere. i don't believe they were fired.

I forgot about that .. good point.

 

[The Faceless Master]

people are upset at that finish? Brock dominated and basically lost because he was cocky. him going for a 2nd superman punch (or whatever the hell he was doing) just shows his arrogance and overconfidence. didn't the the announce team even talk about him "going to the well too many times" right at that time?

 

[British Monsoon]

Yesterday's episode of FCW with an awesome match as Seth Rollins defends the FCW title against Kassius Ohno, plus more on the Regal/Ambrose rivalry;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyhWUcWiKi4 - 1/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ZbO8msHeQ - 2/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOG5-ajeA1I - 3/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq9xbT2V9lY - 4/4

All the good stuff's on the last two videos.

 

[UberTag]

Just as Cena's loss to the Rock didn't hurt Cena. Cena needs to sell that he's hurt by Lesnar thus pushing Lesnar as someone that doesn't care about wins or losses, just "hurting" people. I assume this is the direction that they are going, one would hope. It would have been better for Cena and Brock if Cena was knocked out .. but that's my opinion.

You know who else doesn't care about wins or losses. How about EVERYONE ELSE on the roster?

Brodus doesn't care about winning or losing. He cares about being able to dance afterwards.
Santino doesn't care about winning or losing. He cares about being able to act like a goof and put a sock puppet on his arm.
Zack Ryder doesn't care about winning or losing. He cares about being able to get into Eve's pants and get on television to say his stale catchphrase.
Vickie Guerrero doesn't care about winning or losing. She keeps trotting Ziggles and Swagger out there night after night with a big 'ole smile no matter how much they lose.

Only D.Brine seems to care about winning or losing right now. And that was really only to have something to hang over AJ's head and who knows how long that will last for?

You want to know who cared about winning or losing in the Attitude era? How about EVERYONE ELSE on the roster?
Hell, Crash Holly made a name for himself evading defeat at every opportunity when holding the Hardcore title during its 24/7 era.

This is Vince we're talking about. He undoubtedly gives 0 fucks about the shareholders and only cares about stroking his ego and making sure he gets what he wants out of the product. Whether it be embarrassing JR or having Brock job to Cena.

At the end of the day this will be the primary reason why all of Vince's non-wrestling ventures fail. He can't step away from the product. He can't trust anyone. He overrules EVERYONE. He can't just assign responsibility, let the WWE take care of itself and focus on putting out a good football league or making good movies or helping his wife win an election or launching his own TV network. And when he IS focused on something, he doesn't make decisions that are "good for business" and nobody has the balls to tell him it's a bad idea when he does.

I wonder how many cards in a row the main event will be lost because the guy who dominated the match "got cocky" and let his guard down.

 

[G-Fex]

I think you guys are missing the whole point with this and you're just taking it too far.


There is two points actually.


BROCK BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF CENA BADLY, DID YOU NOT SEE HIM HIT HIM?


Two, Cena will probably be out of action.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Yesterday's episode of FCW with an awesome match as Seth Rollins defends the FCW title against Kassius Ohno, plus more on the Regal/Ambrose rivalry;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyhWUcWiKi4 - 1/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ZbO8msHeQ - 2/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOG5-ajeA1I - 3/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq9xbT2V9lY - 4/4

All the good stuff's on the last two videos.

Alright, alright...Bootaaay with the save. I will watch these. Thank you Bootaaay.

 

[sajj316]

people are upset at that finish? Brock dominated and basically lost because he was cocky. him going for a 2nd superman punch (or whatever the hell he was doing) just shows his arrogance and overconfidence. didn't the the announce team even talk about him "going to the well too many times" right at that time?

People hate Cena + see dollar signs thrown in the fire by Vince when Brock lost.

 

[RyudBoy]

I'm OK with Brock losing. What matters now is what they do with him next. If he loses to his next opponent then yea they fucked this up. As of right now, if doesn't hurt him much since he was so dominant in the match and only lost because he played around with Cena.

The most surprising thing from last night was that Cena received zero boos and all cheers during his post-match speech, and to be fair it seemed totally improvised. I dunno if he was supposed to mention he was taking a break but I could be wrong. I guess we'll find out tonight.

Layla really is the finest Diva ever, but Eve looked amazing last night.

 

[Conrad Link]

I wish it was Sheamus who was the Marine 3, so he would f**k off.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

The most surprising thing from last night was that Cena received zero boos and all cheers during his post-match speech, and to be fair it seemed totally improvised. I dunno if he was supposed to mention he was taking a break but I could be wrong. I guess we'll find out tonight.

It all hinges on how the match is played out, and this match was done excellently.

 

[G-Fex]

I wish it was Sheamus who was the Marine 3, so he would f**k off.

A pale as hell lobster headed mother is a marine?

 

[darkside31337]

I think you guys are missing the whole point with this and you're just taking it too far.


There is two points actually.


BROCK BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF CENA BADLY, DID YOU NOT SEE HIM HIT HIM?


Two, Cena will probably be out of action.

Dem moving goal posts and all that.

Cena loses clean straight up to Rock at WM.

Next PPV Cena gets the living shit beat out of him for most of the match. Not in a totally unconvincing way like Miz did, but busted open and annihilated by Brock.

The whole knocking him out of the ring for months thing will work fine. Brock Lesnar isn't a superstar, he doesn't care about wrestling, he's a mercenary, he only cares about himself. That is where they've been going with this (which is conveniently also the truth), the fact Lesnar lost the match last night is pretty irrelevant.

 

[G-Fex]

also it's your fault ponyboy

 

[sajj316]

You know who else doesn't care about wins or losses. How about EVERYONE ELSE on the roster?

Brodus doesn't care about winning or losing. He cares about being able to dance afterwards.
Santino doesn't care about winning or losing. He cares about being able to act like a goof and put a sock puppet on his arm.
Zack Ryder doesn't care about winning or losing. He cares about being able to get into Eve's pants and get on television to say his stale catchphrase.
Vickie Guerrero doesn't care about winning or losing. She keeps trotting Ziggles and Swagger out there night after night with a big 'ole smile no matter how much they lose.

Only D.Brine seems to care about winning or losing right now. And that was really only to have something to hang over AJ's head and who knows how long that will last for?

You want to know who cared about winning or losing in the Attitude era? How about EVERYONE ELSE on the roster?
Hell, Crash Holly made a name for himself evading defeat at every opportunity when holding the Hardcore title during its 24/7 era.

Uber .. you just listed all the "joke" characters of the E. Their not supposed to care because we're not supposed to care. I don't see any problem with a character that does not care about wins or loses but "hurting" people. There are two types of dangerous men in the world .. (1) One that do it for the money (2) One that don't have anything to lose. Brock happens to be both, if that's the storyline. Ideally, as I said before I would have booked it different.

 

[G-Fex]

WWE turning into kids soccer, they're all winners!