Black Republican
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how was extreme rules peoples?
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Officerrob
Banned
Hmm, lets see. The WWE basically took millions of dollars and collectively wiped their asses with it. But other then that, the show was actually very good.
Officerrob
Banned
I think Wrestling Observer Radio should be very good today. Bryan Alvarez is going to lose his mind
Only WWE could screw up a lock in a brewery. They managed to align the stars in a perfect straight line and manage to draw a circle.
UberTag
Member
With the understanding that all mid-card titles are interchangeable garbage, what was the last time a heel won a "meaningful" match of any significance and looked strong in doing so? (i.e. Lord Tensai winning an already-forgotten match on RAW with the assist of Sakamoto, Otunga and Johnny Ace is not meaningful, Kane beating Orton after an overlong match at Mania is not significant).
I suppose, technically, it was D.Brine beating Santino to win the Elimination Chamber match and retain his title but still... that was Santino.
Prior to that I want to say it was Del Rio defeating Cena in a Last Man Standing match at Vengeance for the WWE Title (the infamous collapsed ring match). And he had the help of Ricardo and other shenanigans while doing so.
Heels just don't get put over strong in matches of any consequence these days.
I suppose, technically, it was D.Brine beating Santino to win the Elimination Chamber match and retain his title but still... that was Santino.
Prior to that I want to say it was Del Rio defeating Cena in a Last Man Standing match at Vengeance for the WWE Title (the infamous collapsed ring match). And he had the help of Ricardo and other shenanigans while doing so.
Heels just don't get put over strong in matches of any consequence these days.
Q
Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
why would they have cena lose straight after mania. rock made him looked like a btich and brock pretty much did too. they cant have vinces boy losing 2 ppv in a row can they.
Officerrob
Banned
Because you need to build-up Brock and it appears Cena is taking time off. Having Cena lose does nothing to hurt his character. Having Brock lose kills his heat. He's a monster who came in and couldn't even win his first fucking match. Why should anyone care now? He lost the same way countless other guys have.
It looks like Cena ducks out of the way too soon and Brock just goes over the rope straight to the floor.
Officerrob
Banned
I don't think there is any possible way to decipher what was supposed to happen there. What move is Brock actually trying to do?
abstract alien
Member
I thought that was the angle they were going with. Cena was losing his edge, Rock exposes him, then Brock destroys him. He leaves, comes back later with forbidden jutsu and beats everyone. I guess not though.
An elevated running elbow drop... or just some weird shit.
That would have been too easy and obvious, can't have that.
abstract alien
Member
I agree...but now we instead have super easy and super obvious lol. I guess it can't be helped though.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
So now Bork Laser gets to run through the whole roster looking for revenge, right? CM Punk vs Borg Lannister at No Way Out? Unprecedented 11-month title reign for Bonk Langston? Then Blink Langolier vs The Rock for the WWE Title at Mania?
Wrestlemania
Banned
That would be my guess. Brock goes from cocky dick to rage monster, breaking arms all over the place with the kimura.
Nocturnowl
Member
Nope, this is the end of Bob Lester, he can't cut it in this business anymore!
Hey I just thought if Cena is taking a break then does that leave Raw with one single main event face in CM Punk with the guest SD face duo of Sheamus and Randy Orton possibly showing up to boost the numbers to a mighty 3? what a dire roster.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Nocturnowl
Member
Of course, the COO!
Raw redeemed if so, he can go out there and hit Lesnar with a broom to end this silly charade and then proceed to get a 5 star match from the broom itself.
Raw redeemed if so, he can go out there and hit Lesnar with a broom to end this silly charade and then proceed to get a 5 star match from the broom itself.
The Xtortionist
Member
So Bork Lazer vs. The Nudertaker at Wrasslemania, possibly with Shawn Jichaels as special ref?
All it's missing is a surprise appearance by Crispen Wah.
All it's missing is a surprise appearance by Crispen Wah.
Officerrob
Banned
After what happened last night, I could very easily see this happen
Officerrob
Banned
Bryan Alvarez on Observer Radio really put this into perspective. Brock was a recent UFC heavyweight champion, a proven draw, has a dominating physical presence, and he can work a match. Another guy like that might never come around again and they jobbed him in his first match to a guy who openly said he was going on vacation afterwords.
BillRiccio
Member
Extreme Rules was pretty fun live in person. Bart jr and I sat next to each other and had an awesome time. The card was stacked and for a WWE event the wrestling was really good all night. Jericho vs Punk was great and Bryan and Sheamus had an amazing wrestling match that told a great story in ring. I still can't believe they had Brock lose though, what are they going to do with him now? To me they should have had Brock win and then Cena goes away for a little bit. When he comes back you build it for a couple months have a huge blow off at a big ppv like Rumble and make lots of money. Oh well Vince is senile and we have to put up with it. Tis the life of a wrestling fan.
How has the crowd on live tv? This was my first Chicago crowd and it seemed like a good mix of hardcore fans and casual/little kids that were loud and hot for lots of the card.
How has the crowd on live tv? This was my first Chicago crowd and it seemed like a good mix of hardcore fans and casual/little kids that were loud and hot for lots of the card.
plagiarize
Banned
i'm not arguing that Cena winning was the 'right' result for storyline purposes, i'm just arguing that Brock isn't buried or even particularly weakened by this swerve.
Vince hates it when everyone knows the planned result of a PPV. Rock won at WM because we were all so certain he wouldn't. Cena won last night because we were all so certain he wouldn't.
does the swerve at the very least make more work for them in the long storylines? yeah it does, but it isn't without any value. people espescially hate the swerve because they espescially hate Cena winning. this time the people who didn't want Cena to win could point to the storyline and the booking and argue that it shouldn't have happened, but i don't think many people are really upset about the storyline or the booking or how much Brock is drawing at PPVs. they're upset about Cena winning, period.
i don't want to be able to predict the results of a PPV with 100% accuracy. it helps me enjoy PPVs.
was this the fight to do it in? probably not. was this result the logical one? probably not. but Cena didn't 'walk away unscathed' and Brock wasn't made to look weak.
if Cena is going to be out for an extended period of time, having Brock destroy him sells Brock's fight with Orton how? if he destroys the top guy in his first match in eight years... what's he going to do to all the other talent beneath him?
RAW tonight is going to be crucial. they now have to stick some sort of landing, and it's definately made more work for them, and added a hurdle that they might stumble over and land face first from... but the Brock monster is far from undone. he needs to stiff some people tonight... not give a shit that he lost, and Cena needs to make clear how fucked up he is today (did anyone else catch him saying how fucked his arm was after the match?)
Vince hates it when everyone knows the planned result of a PPV. Rock won at WM because we were all so certain he wouldn't. Cena won last night because we were all so certain he wouldn't.
does the swerve at the very least make more work for them in the long storylines? yeah it does, but it isn't without any value. people espescially hate the swerve because they espescially hate Cena winning. this time the people who didn't want Cena to win could point to the storyline and the booking and argue that it shouldn't have happened, but i don't think many people are really upset about the storyline or the booking or how much Brock is drawing at PPVs. they're upset about Cena winning, period.
i don't want to be able to predict the results of a PPV with 100% accuracy. it helps me enjoy PPVs.
was this the fight to do it in? probably not. was this result the logical one? probably not. but Cena didn't 'walk away unscathed' and Brock wasn't made to look weak.
if Cena is going to be out for an extended period of time, having Brock destroy him sells Brock's fight with Orton how? if he destroys the top guy in his first match in eight years... what's he going to do to all the other talent beneath him?
RAW tonight is going to be crucial. they now have to stick some sort of landing, and it's definately made more work for them, and added a hurdle that they might stumble over and land face first from... but the Brock monster is far from undone. he needs to stiff some people tonight... not give a shit that he lost, and Cena needs to make clear how fucked up he is today (did anyone else catch him saying how fucked his arm was after the match?)
Yes. It was good matches with shitty endings and writing in between.
Yeah, I didn't mean that was bad, I think they should have gone with the simple and obvious choice, instead of this rubbish ending.
plagiarize
Banned
i agree. i just don't think this kills the storyline at all. people will believe Brock can beat Cena once he does. we'll get crying children and everything when super Cena fails to show up and doesn't kick out and score the magic win.
presuming they book that... but what happened last night doesn't prevent them booking that.
It hints rather strongly they will never book that. If you don't do it after a build-up like that, when do you do it? It makes no sense when Cena comes back, unless you want to run a new, separate, losing his edge angle.
SquashMatch
Member
Couple of points here. If Brock destroys Cena, and then loses to an up and comer down the line it instantly elevates that wrestler. Tonight only benefited Cena and Cena alone. If Cena gets his ass kicked and CM Punk, Orton or Sheamus beat Brock in the middle of the ring it helps them a lot. Instead, if they beat Brock Lesnar its not as special because Cena has already done it. It's not even special for Cena now because they jobbed Brock in his very first match. Sure, Brock may have more credibility in the locker room now but it hurts the on screen product and that is more important. They dont need to pay Brock so much money to be fed to Cena, they have plenty of guys who can do that much cheaper.
I haven't watched it, why pay/waste time/money no point.
plagiarize
Banned
what's wrong with a back and forth feud? if Cena comes back from a loss to Brock and wins, then what? does no one else like back and forth feuds?
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Great show. Bunch of solid, enjoyable matches. Best show of the year really.
Almost all the bitching is about the results. I can't believe there are people who completely disregard what happens in a match itself simply because they don't like who actually won the match. Total bollocks.
plagiarize
Banned
i can't believe people think wins and losses mean that much in the grand scheme of things.
If they did that it would be brilliant, but when was the last time they did that, especially with Cena? I dislike the ending because it reflects the current state of writing, not because it is inherently bad. It is a sign of badness to come.
Conrad Link
Member
Goldberg chants and Bork Laser sign were most of the highlights.
A lot of the other things didn't make much sense.
I'm saddened by the AJ thing amounting to nothing, I guess, shes going to do a 'stalker' storyline with Bryan into the immediate future now? :\
But the best part even though it was insanely random.......
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<3
Mah babeh is back (and champ for some reason? lolz).
A lot of the other things didn't make much sense.
I'm saddened by the AJ thing amounting to nothing, I guess, shes going to do a 'stalker' storyline with Bryan into the immediate future now? :\
But the best part even though it was insanely random.......
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<3
Mah babeh is back (and champ for some reason? lolz).
plagiarize
Banned
i hope you are wrong, but recognise you might not be.
:|
I wouldn't be surprised. They ran through Natalya and Mickie being "fat".
Didn't catch the PPV, but Lesnar losing by pinfall fashion sounds terrible. Pay all that money, his first match back is a loss? Hype derailed. The rest of the card sounded meh. Just none of them have been interesting or booked to make me want to watch. Not surprised Bryan lost - although he doesn't need the title at the moment. Would be fine if Sheamus keeps it, but Bryan can maintain the spotlight in the show as well. Easily the best thing about Smackdown, along with Cody Rhodes (why did he lose at WM again?).
plagiarize
Banned
the card was far from 'meh'. if you know the results, it's worth a watch because the stuff leading up to those results was all good.
Yes he is.
Monsters have to win or they're not monsters. Brock Cena is now officially a less effective monster heel than Kane or Mark Henry, and if you're trying to build the guy as an unstoppable legendary force returning after all these years to destroy everything in his path, that is a failure.
That is a fucking stupid way to run a business. You figure out who wins based on what is best for the ongoing story. You know what doing twists that don't make sense simply to fool people makes you? M. Night Shyamalan. Except Vince isn't nearly as talented.
False. Cena needs to win... EVENTUALLY. He does NOT need to win now. In any story, in any medium, the unstoppable monster needs to kick somebody's ass the first time they meet. That way you actually build tension about whether the good guy can beat the bad guy. Right now Brock Lesnar looks like a paper tiger.
Yeah, John Cena overcoming some odds is some revolutionary stuff, lemme tell you.
Yes he did and yes he was. Before he got on the mic Cena turned to the camera and was like "yeah whatever I'm fine. I'm alright." Brock looked weak because he stumbled away from the ring after one hit with a chain, after Cena fought through two near-stoppages. Chris Jericho took more punishment last night than Brock Lesnar did.
That's the entire point of a monster heel. You make them look unstoppable.
I don't give a shit about the Lesnar story any more. They're not going to do anything good with it.
I somewhat agree with this. I think this is mostly punishment to Brock for what he did. But, I think given that he can be such a huge draw and that Cena is apparently on vacation (Huh? What'd I miss I didn't watch the PPV) he'll be one of the top people in the company and should just go on a monstrous rampage and shit over the likes of Ryback, Tensai, etc.
Not speaking on behalf of the match quality, sure they were better than their WM counterparts. But really, I don't care about CM Punk and Jericho, the feud was a flop. I certainly do not care about Randy Orton and Kane. Sheamus and Bryan seems interesting, but even then, face Sheamus is as entertaining as a dry wall. Cody Rhodes, yeah he's nice, but Big Show? No. Cena and Lesnar is intriguing, but every feud or match Cena is in I just cannot sit and watch minutes at a time. No surprise the match ended with him getting the upperhand after a beatdown and winning. New formula we haven't seen in years!
Oh, and Ziggler jobbed to Brodus Clay - again. You see now?
They don't in most cases because the company treats it that way. Ziggler has jobbed to everyone in recent months and he's as loved as ever (at least by us).
But this was Brock's first match back and you're trying to sell him as some MMA monster who's taking over, but whoops, he gets beat by the top guy "with one working arm" that he knocked around for twenty minutes. Welp... that matters. Even if Brock he goes insane streak on everyone from here on out, what does it matter. He already lost to the Super Cena, there nowhere to really go from there. And that's why a Win or Loss matters, that's what people pay for, ultimately.
And it's sad because they had the perfect blueprint already in how they built up Mark Henry's Championship run last Summer/Fall. That's how you fucking do it, it's so easy. And they already dropped the ball after three weeks.
Holy shit, and this talk about "punishment" for Brock IS SOOOOOO STUPID. This is a fucking publicly-traded business with shareholders who've invested tons of money, and that they've purposefully tried to lose money, to save face and get in good with the boys in the back is just beyond comprehension. Talk about the stupidest most carny, backwards-ass shit.
plagiarize
Banned
hall of pain wasn't about wins or losses. it was about putting people out. Brock put Cena out.
wrestling isn't just about telling storylines though. it's also trying to 'appear' to be a real sport in which the best results for the overall storyline don't always happen.
nothing that happened to Jericho was as damaging as what happened to Brock. imho.
you're missing the part where Cena is now out for a few months. if Brock destroys Cena, puts him out for a few months AND beats him, how is it going to be believable for anyone who steps into the ring with Brock who isn't John Cena not to get put out for months too?
who says 'Brock is an unstoppable heel'? Brock lost his first match in the UFC too, and that didn't stop him drawing or going on a pretty scary run for a while. that Brock just happened to get pinned by Cena when a referee was conscious, doesn't change the fact that Brock was the one who left unscathed and it doesn't change the fact that Brock had Cena pinned for fucking ages when all the referees were unconscious. it doesn't change the fact that aside from taking that pin, that Brock did whatever he wanted to John and TOYED with him.
all they have to do is paint Brock as not giving a fuck about wins or losses and bragging about how he's sidelined Cena. wasn't he brought in because 'management' were sick and tired of Cena?
i don't remember Brock talking about winning or losing at Extreme Rules.