JesseEwiak
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There's psychology, it's just not American psychology. It's much more about machismo and such.
But even with "no" psychology, give me a heated 80's lucha brawl with blood and pissed off Mexican fans over any X-Pac match.
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There's psychology, it's just not American psychology. It's much more about machismo and such.
But even with "no" psychology, give me a heated 80's lucha brawl with blood and pissed off Mexican fans over any X-Pac match.
Basically, everyone should watch Los Brazos vs Los Villanos
So it really is about guys just trading moves like in a video game? I mean, I don't mind all that much as that style can be really exciting when planned out well, but there doesn't seem to be a sense of the matches building towards something.
LU seems like a perfect marriage for this stuff. You get the action of lucha with the American storytelling. Or maybe I'm totally off, as my lucha experience is very limited.
Guys, is it weird that I think Matt Striker and Vampiro are the best announce team in pro wrestling today?
I wasn't sold on them for the first handful of LU episodes, but they've really found their groove, and their energy and enthusiasm is infectious.
They just sold Johnny Mundo's left leg as being weakened "over the past few weeks" by King Cuerno while Texano worked it over. That's detail, friends.
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I wasn't sold on them for the first handful of LU episodes, but they've really found their groove, and their energy and enthusiasm is infectious.
They just sold Johnny Mundo's left leg as being weakened "over the past few weeks" by King Cuerno while Texano worked it over. That's detail, friends.
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JesseEwiak
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Well, it's much more of a performance, but yes, storytelling in matches isn't so much about "this series of moves," even if some of the sickest matwork I've ever seen is in a lucha ring, but more about, "I'm a tecnico, so I'm going to prove how awesome I am by hitting this dive," or "I'm a rudo, so I'm going to cheat and fuck you up cause I'm a rough man who does rough things."
Same thing with angles - they aren't deep and advanced. Guys want to fight, they challenge each other for their mask or hair, and people turn heel or face. It's not complicated, but it's awesome when it works.
Atlantis vs. UG from this year's Anniversary show is an awesome example of this. Not five stars in the ring, but there was more emotion in that much than I've seen in years of American wrestling.
It's a fun promotion to watch. It's way better than wasting 3 hours on RAW.
Even in the tag match at the live event in San Jose she looked rough.
I'll check it out. I totally love Lucha Underground, so I have no doubt that there are other lucha promotions and matches that I'd enjoy.
Also, sweet transition from Son of Havoc after a Cage kickout.
...and man does Pentagon Jr. look great on television.
Another very good episode of Lucha Underground this week.
-incredible trios tag
-solid three-way
-Pentagon Jr.
-great one-on-one main event
Most entertaining hour of pro wrestling on television.
Pentagon Jr. Is one of the most over heels ever. It's crazy seeing the reactions he gets in person every month.
Yeah, those poses are...well, no one gave a fuck. Everything she did looked weak considering she is a stronger bodybuilder. It didn't help that Bailey and Becky Lynch were in the match.
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HOLY SHIT
Yo Boots, you've got an Essex Destroyer gif lying around right? I want to compare the two.
They have used it for a long time now, and I hate it.
British Monsoon
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Raw has good wrestling and competent lighting
RAW is a chore.
British Monsoon
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RAW has meaningless title matches and random matches between mid-carders that go 15 minutes for no good reason. It's also 3 hours long.
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Hmm. Drago's is smoother, but feels like it has no impact.
It also has Big Show vs. Roman Reigns, riveting stuff.
I think it's the pop-up at the end that makes it look less impactful.
EDIT: Just saw that Reigns/Show is last man standing. I wonder if I can put some money on the finish being a simultaneous superman punch/WMD and Reigns just beats the count.
British Monsoon
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Aero Star's sell of it was a bit shit as well, I think it's better the way Will keeps hold for the pin.
Ricochet doesn't really seem like that great of a choice for the LU champion looking back. He seems like a guy who chases. He just doesn't have that aura of a Cuerno or that monster champion of a Pentagon or even Mil Muertes. I might even prefer to see Drago as champion.
A lot of the Lucha Underground cast seems like very strong characters. Very over the top and comic book-y. Ricochet just comes off as more 'eh' by comparison. Very fish out of water.
A lot of the Lucha Underground cast seems like very strong characters. Very over the top and comic book-y. Ricochet just comes off as more 'eh' by comparison. Very fish out of water.
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Christ, Lionheart's response to that Renfrew promo is 7 minutes long.
reptilescorpio
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Yeah Puma is more of a quiet achiever, insanely good work ethic but pretty low key. Lotta potential there though for them to break him out of that mold.
British Monsoon
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Indie dudes need to figure out that the sweet spot for a promo is 3 minutes or less, anything more is pushing it and you better hope you've got something compelling to say if you're going anything longer than 3.
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It's not great.
I did get a laugh when he almost word for word said what someone said about him earlier in the thread about rock bottom, cutter, super kick, frogsplash
Eh, I think most people who have watched both would say that LU is easily the more exciting and interesting of the two products.
As an aside, is the bloom off the NXT rose? Last night's episode was pretty bland. I feel like the show has as many misses as hits.
Someone finally needed to say this. He seems like a Rocky type that is still in Rocky 1, and he's been made to look like a child alongside Konnan. He doesn't have the aura of a champion (right now) with the way he's been positioned, regardless of his in-ring performances.
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There is nothing wrong with the lighting on Lucha underground. Mark Burnett ain't no cheapskate
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They're clearly happy with it given how much promotion her debut has been getting, after it was taped.
This, the lighting is always good. I've never missed a thing because of it.
The only episode that sort of disappointed was last weeks and if anything I would rate that as a B episode. Yesterday's episode was so good though and it definitely deserves an A+.
Btw, why are people mentioning that Pentagon Jr was in yesterday's episode? I didn't see him so I'm wondering where he could've showed up. Any info on this?
This has to be my favorite gif of Lucha, love how Puma is contemplating getting in that ring with Cage after he got hit lol.
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Still you saying the LU team is great is you drinking the Kool-Aid a bit too much. They are not that great. Adequate would be a word I'd use.
Who's better?
That's because they are, they actually have shit to say at every waking moment. Like one of the poster's said they touch on past incidents like Johnny Mundo's leg. Striker's commentary is some of the best hands down, it's like listening to a wrestling angel speak. Vampiro def. adds to it somewhat.
There's a rough patch due to the March Takeover show getting moved up a month to February, so all the angles got rushed to a finish and they then had to tape two or three months worth of TV without any angles in the space of a week, right after Takeover Rival. The whole month of March really screwed with the scheduling between the touring shows and Mania week..
So it messed up the whole creative for the past few months. Expect it to pick up after next week's set of tapings (the first TV tapings since February) when it starts building to the May Takeover show.
