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[Men_in_Boxes]

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- Set a goal of 5 million YouTube views. Got more than 20 million.

- Set a goal to be a top 10 most viewed game on Twitch. Reached top 6.

- Retention rate showed a 25 point improvement over Tech Test 1 (Q4 2024).

- Team is now integrating player feedback and is polishing up the game ahead of launch.

 

[GHG]

These companies use youtube views as a KPI?

No wonder things are the way they are.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You abandoned Marathon when it needed you most

pussy

 

[OverHeat]

You abandoned Marathon when it needed you most

pussy

Marathon

 

[Hideous Snake]

Well, the game surely surprised a lot of people and I'm one of them

I never thought I could get into another extraction shooter other than Hunt but this will be added to the mix!

 

[mrqs]

Nice, deserved. It's a fun game.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

You abandoned Marathon when it needed you most

pussy

Since they want to go with stats:

ARC YT subs: 35.3K
Marathon YT subs: 129K

ARC Reddit: 20K
Marathon Reddit: 32K

ARC Discord: 105K
Marathon Discord: 418K

I doubt Bungie needs Men_in_Boxes support. Lol

Edit:

And yes, ARC is a pretty good game, I might end up buying it if they release it around summer 2025.

People just shouldn't get carried away, because the hype seems to have died the moment the beta ended.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

You abandoned Marathon when it needed you most

pussy

I fight for no company. I fight for qualityyyyy!

 

[vaibhavpisal]

I would like to see Marathon a few years from release. Am assuming it will be quiet good.

Arc Raiders, look decent but somehow doesn't feel like I must play it.

 

[KyoZz]

Since they want to go with stats:

ARC YT subs: 35.3K
Marathon YT subs: 129K

ARC Reddit: 20K
Marathon Reddit: 32K

ARC Discord: 105K
Marathon Discord: 418K

I doubt Bungie needs Men_in_Boxes support. Lol

Edit:

And yes, ARC is a pretty good game, I might end up buying it if they release it around summer 2025.

People just shouldn't get carried away, because the hype seems to have died the moment the beta ended.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Marathon

Unironically that green puke color in the emoji is plastered all over that game.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Remind me to 'told you so' after we got 12 month data for both games.

 

[corgiix3]

Glad to see this game absolutely BODY marathon. Very lazy game from Bungie.. they really fell off

 

[Topher]

Marathon

Kind of funny that this emoji uses Marathon's color scheme

 

[KyoZz]

Remind me to 'told you so' after we got 12 month data for both games.

Oh yeah, just like you defended Concord with your life saying it will find it's player base because "gunplay is good!!" Spoiler: It wasn't lmao.

All in one I DO expect Marathon to push higher players count based on the name of Bungie alone and fanboys like you, but I also predict a strong and quick decline and not enough legs to be substantial and cover the costs of development and maintenance, while I'm sure Arc is gonna recoup cost pretty quickly.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Oh yeah, just like you defended Concord with your life saying it will find it's player base because "gunplay is good!!" Spoiler: It wasn't lmao.

I also said after playing the beta that it would flop at launch.

And it did find a playerbase, it just was pathetically small.

All in one I DO expect Marathon to push higher players count based on the name of Bungie alone and fanboys like you, but I also predict a strong and quick decline and not enough legs to be substantial and cover the costs of development and maintenance, while I'm sure Arc is gonna recoup cost pretty quickly.

That last part shouldn't be too hard.

But like I said, we'll see after we have data over 12 months for both games.

And as I also said, I might buy ARC as well depending on when they release it, because I'm not against the game.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

And it did find a playerbase, it just was pathetically small.

Olympic level mental gymnastics here.

Killjoy-NL will be up for excommunication when ARC Raiders sons Marathon by this time next year. What an illogical defense he has put forth...

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Olympic level mental gymnastics here.

Killjoy-NL will be up for excommunication when ARC Raiders sons Marathon by this time next year. What an illogical defense he has put forth...

Nah, 12 month data for both games and I'm willing to make a bet.

Just not with you, as you have no opinion of your own.

If I do a bet, I'd take it up with someone who is worthy of taking seriously.

 

[KyoZz]

I also said after playing the beta that it would flop at launch.

And it did find a playerbase, it just was pathetically small.

That last part shouldn't be too hard.

But like I said, we'll see after we have data over 12 months for both games.

And as I also said, I might buy ARC as well depending on when they release it, because I'm not against the game.

No need to wait 12 months IMO. Sony might want to hold it alive longer because, as I said, it's Bungie. But that's it, the writing is on the wall.

 

[diffusionx]

The fact that people are still duped with these fake stats and total bullshit is just sad.

Youtube views, seriously?

The only thing that matters is SALES. You can't feed your family on "interest" or "engagement" FFS.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

No need to wait 12 months IMO. Sony might want to hold it alive longer because, as I said, it's Bungie. But that's it, the writing is on the wall.

If it already has garnered more interest than ARC, that doesn't bode well for the latter.

The Finals was a dud as well.

 

[KyoZz]

If it already has garnered more interest than ARC, that doesn't bode well for the latter.

Based of the NAME of Bungie, that's it. Why is it so hard to understand? Yet since the full reveal it has completely crashed interest.

The Finals was a dud as well.

You keep saying this, but it's time someone show you the truth as The Finals has a healthy player base:

Is it the biggest game? Of course not, but it's limited budget made it successful.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Based of the NAME of Bungie, that's it. Why is it so hard to understand? Yet since the full reveal it has completely crashed interest.

12 months of data post-release for both games and we'll get back to this.

You keep saying this, but it's time someone show you the truth as The Finals has a healthy player base:

Is it the biggest game? Of course not, but it's limited budget made it successful.

Yes, thanks for proving my point.

The Finals lost 90% of it's playerbase within the first 3 months.
That's what I've been saying all this time.

I also said I can see this happening to ARC, except ARC might end up with a slightly higher CCU after 3 months.
(~20K CCU)

 

[Imtjnotu]

These companies use youtube views as a KPI?

No wonder things are the way they are.

why do you think every big YT gamer was playing it with all the legendary and epic weapons.

we had to find them. they were probably given them

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Nah, 12 month data for both games and I'm willing to make a bet.

Just not with you, as you have no opinion of your own.

If I do a bet, I'd take it up with someone who is worthy of taking seriously.

Your mean girls persona is so fitting, lol.

 

[KyoZz]

12 months of data for both games and we'll get back to this.

As I said, the writing is on the wall.

Yes, thanks for proving my point.

The Finals lost 90% of it's playerbase within the first 3 months.
That's what I've been saying all this time.

I also said I can see this happening to ARC, except ARC might end up with a slightly higher CCU after 3 months.
(~20K CCU)

Are you playing dumb?

I guess HD2 must be a turd right? And even if it saw a peak at 90K because of the latest update, it's gonna flatline again soon yet nobody's gonna pretend the game was unsuccessful.

 

[MDSLKTR]

Remind me to 'told you so' after we got 12 month data for both games.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

The fact that people are still duped with these fake stats and total bullshit is just sad.

Youtube views, seriously?

The only thing that matters is SALES. You can't feed your family on "interest" or "engagement" FFS.

Alexa, how do you forecast sales (interest) for a game that hasn't launched yet?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

As I said, the writing is on the wall.


Are you playing dumb?

I guess HD2 must be a turd right? And even if it saw a peak at 90K because of the latest update, it's gonna flatline again soon yet nobody's gonna pretend the game was unsuccessful.

Two things:

1- I never called ARC a turd. In fact, I called it a good game.
I just question it's player-retention rate.

2- What seems more healthy to you? 16K CCU or 85K CCU?

But yeah, HD2 had a ~80% drop in player retention.

Then again, HD1 only had a peak of <7K.

 

[KyoZz]

Two things:

1- I never called ARC a turd. In fact, I called it a good game.
I just question it's player-retention rate.

Wth dude you don't understand what YOU are writing.

You called The Finals a turd because it loosed 80% of it's player base, then I showed you that it is totally normal and proved it with HD2 (not to mention The Finals is steady, no massive drop for months now).

2- What seems more healthy to you? 16K CCU or 85K CCU?

HD2 is closer to 25K. Because that 90K 24H peak is not gonna stay, it's because of a massive update but anyway just look at the numbers I assure you it's not that hard:

HELLDIVERS™ 2 - Steam Charts

An ongoing analysis of Steam's player numbers, seeing what's been played the most.

steamcharts.com

Game is around 25K for MONTHS.

But yeah, HD2 had a ~80% drop in player retention.

Then again, HD1 only had a peak of <8K.

Talk about moving the goalpost....

So if The Finals with a 80% drop is a turd, then HD2 with an even bigger drop is...? Please tell me.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

If it already has garnered more interest than ARC, that doesn't bode well for the latter.

The Finals was a dud as well.

They wouldn't be throwing this event if it was a dud. Plus, it's about to launch in China later this year.

Being a top 100 most played multi-player game in a field of thousands of duds makes you one of the most successful games of the day.

EDS.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Wth dude you don't understand what YOU are writing.

You called The Finals a turd because it loosed 80% of it's player base, then I showed you that it is totally normal and proved it with HD2 (not to mention The Finals is steady, no massive drop for months now).

I said it was a dud, not that it's a turd.
(Although I think it's gunplay sucks).
It started okay and fell flat real quick.

It lost 90% of it's playerbase, btw.

HD2 is closer to 25K. Because that 90K 24H peak is not gonna stay, it's because of a massive update but anyway just look at the numbers I assure you it's not that hard:

HELLDIVERS™ 2 - Steam Charts

An ongoing analysis of Steam's player numbers, seeing what's been played the most.

steamcharts.com

Game is around 25K for MONTHS.

Even then, 25K is higher than 16K, especially coming from 7K.

But sure, Helldivers 2 became boring the moment you unlocked everything.
That's why I see ARC following The Finals as well.

Talk about moving the goalpost....

So if The Finals with a 80% drop is a turd, then HD2 with an even bigger drop is...? Please tell me.

The Finals had a 90% drop, Helldivers 2 a 80% drop going by the 85K in my previous post.

If it's 95% drop for HD2 (25K CCU), the same applies as what I said about The Finals.

But that's why context matters. HD2 with 25K CCU compared to HD1 with 7K CCU is a success, regardless of the drop-off.

ARC will be compared to The Finals, which is at 16K.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

They wouldn't be throwing this event if it was a dud. Plus, it's about to launch in China later this year.

Being a top 100 most played multi-player game in a field of thousands of duds makes you one of the most successful games of the day.

EDS.

I never said otherwise.

In one of the other ARC I already stated that a 16K CCU average can easily make a live service viable.
That's ultimately what counts.

 

[KyoZz]

I said it was a dud, not that it's a turd.
(Although I think it's gunplay sucks).
It started okay and fell flat real quick.

Again, that's normal, and it's steady now.

It lost 90% of it's playerbase, btw.

Even then, 25K is higher than 16K, especially coming from 7K.

LMAO, you do realize that the expectation are different from HD2 and The Finals right?

Right...?

But sure, Helldivers 2 became boring the moment you unlocked everything.
That's why I see ARC following The Finals as well.

The Finals had a 90% drop, Helldivers 2 a 80% drop going by the 85K in my previous post.

If it's 95% drop for HD2 (25K CCU), the same applies as what I said about The Finals.

It IS a 95% drop since that 24h peak is not gonna stay. Just look back in a few days...

And no, HD2 is not a dud (or a turd, whatever). It was a massive and deserved success just like The Finals was and is a success even if it "only" push 15 to 20K players now. Something (a success) that is absolutely not guaranteed for Marathon.

But that's why context matters. HD2 with 25K CCU compared to HD1 with 7K CCU is a success, regardless of the drop-off.

Two totally different games. Did you play HD1? I did, and I think it's bad especially after playing HD2.

ARC will be compared to The Finals, which is at 16K.

Man you are twisting the narrative so much it's not even funny anymore. I'll see you once Marathon is out.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I never said otherwise.

The Finals was a dud as well.

KyoZz Our issue is that we are human and think he can be saved. We have been pulled into the mud by the proverbial pig. He likes it.

 

[BlackTron]

Come back in 12 months for some spin and goalpost moving.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Come back in 12 months for some spin and goalpost moving.

 

[KyoZz]

KyoZz Our issue is that we are human and think he can be saved. We have been pulled into the mud by the proverbial pig. He likes it.

I don't even like or dislike Marathon nor Arc (or extraction shooters in general), but fanboyism is killing Sony. They say Amen to everything it's so tiresome and clearly doesn't help the company they worship.

 

[KaiserBecks]

People just shouldn't get carried away, because the hype seems to have died the moment the beta ended.

I think it's exactly the opposite. The playtest put the game on the map for a lot of people and now that it's gone, people are thirsty for more. Meanwhile, the only time people mention Marathon is whenever they talk about Arc Raiders completely shitting on it.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Again, that's normal, and it's steady now.

Define normal?

Marvel Rivals:
Peak - 644K CCU
Current 24 hr peak - 142K
78% drop

Hunt Showdown:
Peak: 61K
Current 24 hr peak - 15.5K
75% drop

Dead by Daylight:
Peak: 105K
Current 24 hr peak: 50K
50% drop

90+% drop isn't good. Especially if CCU drops below 20K.

LMAO, you do realize that the expectation are different from HD2 and The Finals right?

Right...?

Sure.

Expectations for HD2 were probably a lot lower than for The Finals.

It IS a 95% drop since that 24h peak is not gonna stay. Just look back in a few days...

Yes, I mentioned the 95% drop. Do you even read what I say?

And no, HD2 is not a dud (or a turd, whatever). It was a massive and deserved success just like The Finals was and is a success even if it "only" push 15 to 20K players now. Something (a success) that is absolutely not guaranteed for Marathon.

Dud =/= turd. You, like many others, tend to make stuff up and create your own versions of what was said.

But yes, HD2 was a massive success as it came off a 7K peak CCU from it's predecessor.
Completely unexpected, hence why there were so many server issues at launch.

The Finals is a different in that light.

And just like success isn't guaranteed for Marathon, neither is it for ARC.

Two totally different games. Did you play HD1? I did, and I think it's bad especially after playing HD2.

Nope, but I know it was very different. I Also had zero interest in it. Looks boring.

Man you are twisting the narrative so much it's not even funny anymore. I'll see you once Marathon is out.

I'm not twisting any narrative.

Is was talking about HD2 being a succes compared to HD1 and that ARC would be compared to The Finals in that light.
Ie HD2 at 25K vs HD1 at 7K would be a bigger success than let's say if ARC will end up at 20K vs The Finals at 16K.

If you want to compare ARC vs Marathon, I already said that I'd put my money on Marathon if we have 12 months of data for both games post-release.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I don't even like or dislike Marathon nor Arc (or extraction shooters in general), but fanboyism is killing Sony. They say Amen to everything it's so tiresome and clearly doesn't help the company they worship.

I also don't like or dislike Marathon nor ARC at this point in time.

I'm not even a fan of Bungie, just Destiny 1.

As far as Bungie goes, I think they're a great studio that suffered from absolute monkeys running their business.

 

[KyoZz]

Define normal?

Marvel Rivals:
Peak - 644K CCU
Current 24 hr peak - 142K
78% drop

Hunt Showdown:
Peak: 61K
Current 24 hr peak - 15.5K
75% drop

Dead by Daylight:
Peak: 105K
Current 24 hr peak: 50K
50% drop

90+% drop isn't good. Especially if CCU drops below 20K.

Sure.

Expectations for HD2 were probably a lot lower than for The Finals.

Yes, I mentioned the 95% drop. Do you even read what I say?

Dud =/= turd. You, like many others, tend to make stuff up and create your own versions of what was said.

But yes, HD2 was a massive success as it came off a 7K peak CCU from it's predecessor.
Completely unexpected, hence why there were so many server issues at launch.

The Finals is a different in that light.

And just like success isn't guaranteed for Marathon, neither is it for ARC.

Nope, but I know it was very different. I Also had zero interest in it. Looks boring.

I'm not twisting any narrative.

Is was talking about HD2 being a succes compared to HD1 and that ARC would be compared to The Finals in that light.
Ie HD2 at 25K vs HD1 at 7K would be a bigger success than let's say if ARC will end up at 20K vs The Finals at 16K.

If you want to compare ARC vs Marathon, I already said that I'd put my money on Marathon if we have 12 months of data for both games post-release.

I also don't like or dislike Marathon nor ARC at this point in time.

I'm not even a fan of Bungie, just Destiny 1.

As far as Bungie goes, I think they're a great studio that suffered from absolute monkeys running their business.

And yet you keep shitting on Arc and defend Marathon with your life on every. Single. Thread.
I'm done with you. I'll see you once Marathon is out.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

And yet you keep shitting on Arc and defend Marathon with your life on every. Single. Thread.
I'm done with you. I'll see you once Marathon is out.

I'm not shitting on ARC.

You interpret it that way. That's on you.

 

[KyoZz]

I'm not shitting on ARC.

You interpret it that way. That's on you.

Just on this thread you contradict yourself: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/arc-...dios-nexon-forecasted.1684001/#post-270411719

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Just on this thread you contradict yourself: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/arc-...dios-nexon-forecasted.1684001/#post-270411719

By calling it a dud?

Once again you've proven what I said.
You make up your own version of what was said.

Besides, that was about The Finals, not ARC.

 

[Shubh_C63]

ARC sitting #12 on the Steam wishlist rank higher than the competition.

I still think Marathon will get up there (eventually because Bungie is no joke) but if ARC plays it right it might become the go-to casual extraction Marathon wanted to be.

 

[Black_Stride]

Jackfrags has a good video on it and has me curious.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

You abandoned Marathon when it needed you most

pussy

Marathon? More like a sprint to the unemployment line.

 

[realcool]

 

[Radical_3d]