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inb4 Crab barging in saying that you only role claim when you are on the brink of getting lynch....

They're learning! By jingo, they're learning!

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I'm fluffy on Honeypot, does that basically mean only one specific KGB can order the kill on Ezekel?

Any KGB can carry out the kill on me, the Honeypot will be the only one that will be successful though.

If you're virtually unkillable, why did you go on a mission in the first place, EzekelRAGE? In addition, why would mafia attempt a kill during the mission, when that gives us at least a 1/3 chance of getting a mafia member? Why would you even reveal your role at this point, if all you do is to use it to justify going on missions?

I'm sorry, but...what?

Ezekel his claim seems bullshit to me, that could make him immortal if we manage to find/lynch honeypot. The role just seems too unbalanced to me to be true.

That's a good point. That role claim means that town could've won the very first day. Even if we assume that Honeypot has additional safety, such as immunity during the night, that seems incredibly unbalanced in favour of town.

They attempted to kill me N1. The Honeypot knows that she is the only one that can kill me, but she didn't know who I was. I didn't want to take the risk of them going for me N2 and sending the Honeypot instead of another KGB agent. As far as it being overpowered, I didn't create the game and we don't even know the powers of the KGB. Ppl claiming it is overpowered/not balanced makes me think they are KGB mad they didn't get a successful kill.

You could have waited to reveal this. Claiming it when you weren't in danger is a bad play. You should have just put yourself on missions, MAYBE explained it there to a smaller group, and only claim if you were closed to being lynched, or didn't make it onto a mission. You might have tricked the Mafia into wasting more kills on you in the meantime.

How exactly do you know you were targeted? and remember you can't directly quote.

Even If I claimed it to the mission players, everyone wouldve saw eventually. Also figured I would save time from all the theories about what couldve happened last night to have a no kill.

 

[Ourobolus]

EVICT: Crab the Ornery

 

[Haly]

Don't we get to see the role description of honeypot if he died? That would tip us off on the exsistense of this Archer role.

Yes, but everyone gets the information. Anyone could make use of it to claim Archer, and that poses its own risk, so I don't believe this Archer role is as binary as "yeah you're untouchable now".

 

[Palmer_v1]

EzekelRAGE, are you able to kill or target Honeypot?



There's also the possibility he's trying to get the real Archer to counter-claim, which if this is the case, please don't counter-claim..

I was about to post this. If there is another Archer, you do not need to counter claim yet.

His fluff does make sense for an Archer character, but anyone could come up with something plausible.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Also I get a pm when there is an attempt on my life.

 

[Burbeting]

So, if Ezekiels claim is true, wouldn't that mean Honeypot is a neutral, since if she was a town-role, she wouln't try to make another townsperson mortal on purpouse?

What bugs about me in this claim is what roy said, this role is really really overpowered if honeypot ends up dead (at least the way Ezekiel worded makes it sound like that...). Another thing that's problematic to me is that Ezekiel said that he knew KGB targeted himself. How did he know this, did Ourobolos PM him about it? If Archer knows when he is targeted by KGB, it makes his role even more powerful. Well he is the main character of the show, but still. Something bugs me about this.

I don't know. Role this powerful is hard to believe.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

EzekelRAGE, are you able to kill or target Honeypot?

No I can't kill or target the HP.

 

[El Topo]

He said he could die with Honeypot, so technically he's not unkillable.The only way he's really going to be invincible is for him to be in the missions and to keep Honeypot out of the mission for his safety.

I wrote "virtually unkillable", not "literally unkillable". The role seems pretty damn powerful and it's not hard to think of scenarios or strategies where this role would lead to almost surefire victory.

I'm not even saying he is a liar, he could also be a town player trying to help us with a fake role claim, I'm willing to let others convince me, but I think it's legitimate to have strong doubts, in particular given the other problems I have with his claim, e.g. that this would be a risky move by mafia as it gives us at least a (1/3) chance to get one of them.

 

[Burbeting]

Okay, so he get's to know if someone has tried to kill him. That's dumbfoundly powerful role if this claim is real.

 

[Ourobolus]

Before we go down this rabbit hole, I will not comment on whether or not I PM anybody, regardless of role.

 

[Zubz]

Also I get a pm when there is an attempt on my life.

Do you know by who? I know we don't want to call attention to it, but this really is a sticky predicament. Assuming you're not lying, the Honeypot now knows who you are, and you have no way of knowing who (s)he is. You just to have to hope you get lucky and not be on a mission when (s)he is, or vice versa.

And if we do have another Archer, please don't role claim. If the Honeypot would like to, however...

 

[Enker]

I’d also like to know what “getting caught by Honeypot” means. Can they target Archer separately from the rest of the KGB, leading to 2 kills in one night if he doesn’t go on a mission? And wouldn’t Honeypot want to immediately volunteer for the missions on D3 just to kill Archer now that we “know who he is”?

This is of course assuming that the Archer role is as described, which I doubt as making a player almost unkillable doesn’t make sense.

 

[roytheone]

Ezekel: why did you in gods name role claimed?? You should have expected that this will make you suspicious, and Mafia members will only feed that fire to get you lynched. So if you really are archer, this role claim wasn't very smart.

 

[squidyj]

Some quick points:

- Visualante : bugger
- Did the mission entail any abilities aside from chat?
- Curious as why squidy had changed his opinion from me from quite suspicious to trusted.
- No one died, which is interesting and tasty!

I'm pretty busy right now, making dinner and bread and doing some other stuff, I literally just started reading but you can blame ouro for why I see you and arkos as town right now.

I will just say that I want to ask one question. does everyone feel like I tied my fate to ante's? I know I pushed it hard but after we found out ante was doc that comment by palmer kind of stuck out to me.

If palmer is mafia he was basically saying "i know this guy is town and I want to softly push town into seeing you as scum for pushing an incorrect lynch" just, yknow, a soft touch.

I'm not saying I've made up my mind on palmer, there's every possibility the comment was innocent but I want to see how the rest of the players saw me re visualante, and how you see palmer's comment.

 

[El Topo]

I was about to post this. If there is another Archer, you do not need to counter claim yet.

His fluff does make sense for an Archer character, but anyone could come up with something plausible.

I made up about half a dozen of cover roles before the role PMs went out. It's really not that hard to come up with fake roles. That said, if his role claim is really fake, there is surely a real Sterling Archer who (if absolutely necessary) could prove him wrong, though no one should role reveal at this point, so it's a risky move.

If anything though, if he is saying the truth, at least one of the other three mission members is mafia.

 

[cabot]

They attempted to kill me N1. The Honeypot knows that she is the only one that can kill me, but she didn't know who I was. I didn't want to take the risk of them going for me N2 and sending the Honeypot instead of another KGB agent. As far as it being overpowered, I didn't create the game and we don't even know the powers of the KGB. Ppl claiming it is overpowered/not balanced makes me think they are KGB mad they didn't get a successful kill.

bolded points:

1. If Honeypot knows, it seems like a massive oversight from Mafia not to let her carry out the kill order in order to be completely assured there would be no block. That points to incompetence, or maybe the Honeypot was on the mission. Incompetence seems unlikely since Mafia have had a few days head start on us to discuss this.

2. That's a weird assertion to make, I think it's entirely reasonable to be suspicious of such a powerful role claim.

You're not on my day 2 voting list yet, because I don't think that'll really help us since if you're Archer, you're obviously town. Can't say I don't find this whole thing dodgy though.

 

[Ourobolus]

I'm pretty busy right now, making dinner and bread and doing some other stuff, I literally just started reading but you can blame ouro for why I see you and arkos as town right now.

Go on...

 

[Burbeting]

bolded points:

1. If Honeypot knows, it seems like a massive oversight from Mafia not to let her carry out the kill order in order to be completely assured there would be no block.

Wait a second, Honeypot could be a member of the KGB, not some other neutral role? I haven't ever seen Archer, so I don't know these details. I hope someone can clarify this, so I can be up to speed with everyone else (and because it would make Ezekiels claim atleast somewhat more believable).

 

[roytheone]

bolded points:

1. If Honeypot knows, it seems like a massive oversight from Mafia not to let her carry out the kill order in order to be completely assured there would be no block. That points to incompetence, or maybe the Honeypot was on the mission. Incompetence seems unlikely since Mafia have had a few days head start on us to discuss this.

2. That's a weird assertion to make, I think it's entirely reasonable to be suspicious of such a powerful role claim.

You're not on my day 2 voting list yet, because I don't think that'll really help us since if you're Archer, you're obviously town. Can't say I don't find this whole thing dodgy though.

Why would they put honeypot on the mission when they don't plan to target someone on the mission. Makes no sense. They should always use honeypot to target their kills.

 

[Palmer_v1]

I made up about half a dozen of cover roles before the role PMs went out. It's really not that hard to come up with fake roles. That said, if his role claim is really fake, there is surely a real Sterling Archer who (if absolutely necessary) could prove him wrong, though no one should role reveal at this point, so it's a risky move.

If anything though, if he is saying the truth, at least one of the other three mission members is mafia.

How so?

 

[cabot]

Why would they put honeypot on the mission when they don't plan to target someone on the mission. Makes no sense. They should always use honeypot to target their kills.

That's what I mean, it's incompetence. It doesn't add up. Help me think this through roy!

 

[El Topo]

How so?

I am an idiot and thought he was on a mission.

 

[El Topo]

Well, Palmer pointing out my inability to read means that no mission member is necessarily suspicious. Makes his role claim a lot more reasonable.

 

[roytheone]

Ezekel: do you know if honeypot is a KGB role or a third party role?

 

[Palmer_v1]

I'm pretty busy right now, making dinner and bread and doing some other stuff, I literally just started reading but you can blame ouro for why I see you and arkos as town right now.

I will just say that I want to ask one question. does everyone feel like I tied my fate to ante's? I know I pushed it hard but after we found out ante was doc that comment by palmer kind of stuck out to me.

If palmer is mafia he was basically saying "i know this guy is town and I want to softly push town into seeing you as scum for pushing an incorrect lynch" just, yknow, a soft touch.

I'm not saying I've made up my mind on palmer, there's every possibility the comment was innocent but I want to see how the rest of the players saw me re visualante, and how you see palmer's comment.

It doesn't necessarily make me LESS suspicious from your point of view, but do note that I'm not voting for you or even mentioning you so far. I'm responsible for my own vote and irritated I let you talk me out of the other vote, which would have been my vote today, except for the whole replacement thing.

 

[cabot]

I'm pretty busy right now, making dinner and bread and doing some other stuff, I literally just started reading but you can blame ouro for why I see you and arkos as town right now.

I've looked back at Ouro's post and I know exactly what you're referring to now, good catch.

I thought my post was wasted when I saw the Ouro thing after the fact.

 

[El Topo]

If Honeypot didn't attempt the kill, even though there seems to be no reason for mafia not to send only her out, does that mean Honeypot was on a mission and they simply thought they could use someone else, because the chance of hitting Archer are pretty low and killing someone on a mission is a bad idea?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Ezekel: why did you in gods name role claimed?? You should have expected that this will make you suspicious, and Mafia members will only feed that fire to get you lynched. So if you really are archer, this role claim wasn't very smart.

If they push to get me lynched, then they make themselves look guilty. Given the situation, I think it was a good move. I could've stayed quiet and let ppl continue about why there wasn't a NK.

Do you know by who? I know we don't want to call attention to it, but this really is a sticky predicament. Assuming you're not lying, the Honeypot now knows who you are, and you have no way of knowing who (s)he is. You just to have to hope you get lucky and not be on a mission when (s)he is, or vice versa.

ISIS should let me go on missions np and I plan to post each time the new day phase starts

I’d also like to know what “getting caught by Honeypot” means. Can they target Archer separately from the rest of the KGB, leading to 2 kills in one night if he doesn’t go on a mission? And wouldn’t Honeypot want to immediately volunteer for the missions on D3 just to kill Archer now that we “know who he is”?

This is of course assuming that the Archer role is as described, which I doubt as making a player almost unkillable doesn’t make sense.

bolded points:

1. If Honeypot knows, it seems like a massive oversight from Mafia not to let her carry out the kill order in order to be completely assured there would be no block. That points to incompetence, or maybe the Honeypot was on the mission. Incompetence seems unlikely since Mafia have had a few days head start on us to discuss this.

2. That's a weird assertion to make, I think it's entirely reasonable to be suspicious of such a powerful role claim.

You're not on my day 2 voting list yet, because I don't think that'll really help us since if you're Archer, you're obviously town. Can't say I don't find this whole thing dodgy though.

1. Could be a possibility
2. Meh, if your town you should be happy to have a powerful role on your side.

Ezekel: do you know if honeypot is a KGB role or a third party role?

Doesn't specifically say, but due to the fact they can kill me, The Duchess, I'm assuming they are KGB.

My original plan was to volunteer for every mission no matter what. Which is why I posted I was against the voting for who goes on a mission stuff Day 1. Then when on a mission, when someone failed to kill me, I would be able to pinpoint someone on the mission tried to kill someone and we wouldn't be down a player.

 

[El Topo]

The more I think about it, the more I tend to convince myself that Ezzi is telling the truth.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

If Honeypot didn't attempt the kill, even though there seems to be no reason for mafia not to send only her out, does that mean Honeypot was on a mission and they simply thought they could use someone else, because the chance of hitting Archer are pretty low and killing someone on a mission is a bad idea?

Like Cabbeh pointed out, it could be likely or they just got sloppy. If the Honeypot role is specifically designed to counter me, maybe they can target other ppl but their target isn't notified they were visited. Like Visual's ability maybe? IDK.

 

[cabot]

My original plan was to volunteer for every mission no matter what. Which is why I posted I was against the voting for who goes on a mission stuff Day 1. Then when on a mission, when someone failed to kill me, I would be able to pinpoint someone on the mission tried to kill someone and we wouldn't be down a player.

This was a good idea, its a shame you essentially got 'caught' so early.

 

[Palmer_v1]

If Honeypot didn't attempt the kill, even though there seems to be no reason for mafia not to send only her out, does that mean Honeypot was on a mission and they simply thought they could use someone else, because the chance of hitting Archer are pretty low and killing someone on a mission is a bad idea?

It's impossible to know what info Mafia and Honeypot have, but if they know she is needed to kill Archer, I wouldn't waste her due to risk of detection.

I'm still not convinced of his claim though. I need to go back through his posts.

My general list of stuff to check today is El Topo, Mazre, and now ER.

 

[Burbeting]

Like Cabbeh pointed out, it could be likely or they just got sloppy. If the Honeypot role is specifically designed to counter me, maybe they can target other ppl but their target isn't notified they were visited. Like Visual's ability maybe? IDK.

(I'm now assuming honeypot is kgb since I haven't got an answer yet. Y'all forcing me to start watching Archer soon)

So if Honeypot was in mission... Why? If we assume only you are a power role who needs specific killer, why send that killer away to a mission? Seems weird, since I can't see therw being multiple roles with same idea as yours.

 

[Enker]

Scrolling back don’t think anyone posted this yet:

Ezekel wasn’t on the mission last time, so if he was targeted wouldn’t that mean the Honeypot is either Mazre, GLT/Darryl, Arkos or Palmer (Unless the HP is a third party)?

 

[El Topo]

(I'm now assuming honeypot is kgb since I haven't got an answer yet. Y'all forcing me to start watching Archer soon)

So if Honeypot was in mission... Why? If we assume only you are a power role who needs specific killer, why send that killer away to a mission? Seems weird, since I can't see therw being multiple roles with same idea as yours.

First come first serve. Maybe they simply wanted to have a player on the mission and opting out seemed suspicious.

 

[Enker]

Scrolling back don’t think anyone posted this yet:

Ezekel wasn’t on the mission last time, so if he was targeted wouldn’t that mean the Honeypot is either Mazre, GLT/Darryl, Arkos or Palmer (Unless the HP is a third party)?

Apologies, meant “NOT” Mazre, GLT, Arkos or Palmer

 

[Burbeting]

First come first serve. Maybe they simply wanted to have a player on the mission and opting out seemed suspicious.

So perhaps other kgb couldn't come online when game began, and honeypot had no choice?

 

[roytheone]

I just realized something: there is a decent chance that someone has some kind of PR that enables them to cancel missions or pull out specific mission members. If this is the case, ezekel could very well be boned, even if he is speaking the truth. It's of course a guess what kind of powers the KGB has, but it is a real risk.

 

[El Topo]

So perhaps other kgb couldn't come online when game began, and honeypot had no choice?

Either that or several of them applied and they thought that opting out (without good reason) would be dangerous.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

(I'm now assuming honeypot is kgb since I haven't got an answer yet. Y'all forcing me to start watching Archer soon)

There was an episode where Archer had to be the Honeypot to get a sex tape from Malory's blackmailer. Someone has Archer in a pink shirt sucking a lollipop as their Avatar.


Either way, you should watch Archer .

 

[Mazre]

(I'm now assuming honeypot is kgb since I haven't got an answer yet. Y'all forcing me to start watching Archer soon)

So if Honeypot was in mission... Why? If we assume only you are a power role who needs specific killer, why send that killer away to a mission? Seems weird, since I can't see therw being multiple roles with same idea as yours.

A honeypot is a generic term for someone who uses seduction to flip an asset from one side to another often through blackmail. As far as why KGB might not have used them N1? As others have said, either a misplay or perhaps an abundance of caution. Perhaps killing Archer isn't the honeypots only function, perhaps they didn't want to risk the honeypot being detected prior to discovering Archer, perhaps targeting someone other than Archer is dangerous for the honeypot.

 

[SalvaPot]

inb4 Crab barging in saying that you only role claim when you are on the brink of getting lynch....

"Thats cool and all, and imma let you finish, but role claiming is the dumbest strategy of all time..."

Of all time!

 

[Palmer_v1]

(I'm now assuming honeypot is kgb since I haven't got an answer yet. Y'all forcing me to start watching Archer soon)

So if Honeypot was in mission... Why? If we assume only you are a power role who needs specific killer, why send that killer away to a mission? Seems weird, since I can't see therw being multiple roles with same idea as yours.

Fluff: I'm not certain if Honeypot is a specific named character or what in our case, but basically Archer is a womanizer on the show, and consistently falls for the old honeypot. If it is named, and she is KGB, it's probably Katya or Rona Thorne.

 

[Burbeting]

Alright, thanks for answering, since it clears some confusion from me, anf propably other people who haven't or can't see Archer.

 

[Mazre]

Scrolling back don’t think anyone posted this yet:

Ezekel wasn’t on the mission last time, so if he was targeted wouldn’t that mean the Honeypot is either Mazre, GLT/Darryl, Arkos or Palmer (Unless the HP is a third party)?

Apologies, meant “NOT” Mazre, GLT, Arkos or Palmer

Unfortunately, it's still way to early to rule out any of the mission team as KGB, (honeypot or otherwise).

 

[cabot]

This honeypot fuckup reeks of Septimus Prime


RULEBOOK: Septimus Prime

on that pleasant joke (please don't lynch him for that!) I'm going to bed.

I'll think on this.

 

[Darryl]

i can see why ezekel roleclaimed. he's convinced they've figured it all out already so there's no point in not having this out in the clear & transparent. now he wants to stick within the mission system to stay safe. especially since our doctor is dead, the alternative list runs thin. still, it remains a neutral town move in that it doesn't actually help town. they're gonna get ya anyways and all this information is useless to us once you're gone. it's just another detracting thought for all of us, sadly.

 

[Haly]

It's too ludicrous a claim for mafia to use on the 2nd day, unprompted. Ezekel either has balls of steel or he's genuine. I don't think this is like what's happening in danganronpa. It wasn't necessary, but keeping us in the dark likely would waste 2-3 more days. With this out in the open, we can get back into the swing of things.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

OMG Ezekel is Archer *_____*

I need to reread stat. Skimmed through posts just makes me head spin too fast x___x

Couple of quick thoughts though:

1. The no-kill night was very interesting! I guess we had luck on our side that KGB picked our Sterling...

2. The mission didn't give us any additional info at all? :< What was the "mission" by the way? Was it a mini game?




Okies. I will be back shortly with a beefier post and very likely, a vote! ^____^