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Archer [Mafia] |OT| Wait, I Had Something For This
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I missed this, or is this a result from the Mission chats?
Arkos and Cabbeh both referred to themselves as drones before Ouruborus added the text to the OP
I'm this close to modkilling you.
It's in my phones autotype so it's canon at this point
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Welcome kittycat Kristofer!!!
I like you and your spunk!!! Picking at people on your first foray~ So guts. Very courage!
<3
I like you and your spunk!!! Picking at people on your first foray~ So guts. Very courage!
<3
Oh right, that thing.
Woah, squidy. Lay off the wine for a bit.
You too, Kristoff.
It's premature. I think you should've waited to see how Day 3 would play out before promising to "tell all" on Day 2 when you weren't even top 2. Seems like sloppy play more than anything.
It's this part that I'm scratching my head over:
You tracked him N2, but he still died. I agree with Enker here. 3 killing parties is a bit much. I think you really are just a serial killer and this is a cover. Not one that was needed at this junction, but a cover nonetheless.
AC Mafia didn't have more than one killer though, so I'm not sure how this should be handled. My gut feeling is to say lynch because it really is bad for Town to deal with 2 kills per night. It advances end-game 50% faster.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
boom~Topo isnt the only one that wants to have funfun, but Seath sort of has turned around since those dark days. I'm just having my vote on him atm cuz Burbeting final vote was on him so I'm keeping him warm and giving myself some time to comb through the back pages.
So... just as a quickie, the only one that has ever voted for Burbeting was Razmos, but he's gone now, so that's neither here nor there. And the only one that has ever voted for roy was El Topo, but he has admitted that so, poop.
So... on that ! I'm reading that Burbeting has consistently picked on Palmer (and GLT - Darryl's predecessor) on his suss-radar. Some posts of interests:
#649... doesnt really tell much, it was early days, tbh
#834 ... reads on peeps
#1267... tenuous link of palmer's suggestion and ER as a target for N1
#1494 ... finally a firm fingerpointin' goodness
Dunno if all that backreading means anything. Palmer is still in my OK book for now but that was an interesting thing that came out of rereading Burbeting past posts...
I'll try to go over roy's posts next, but my notes are only: "softly town? softly town! softly town." all over
wau~
Guess I'll throw up a vote count before I head off to this meeting.
CURRENT VOTES:
Septimus Prime (1)
squidyj
Haly
YesNOnoNOYes (1)
Septimus Prime
El Topo (3)
squidyj
cabbeh
Palmer_v1
Seath (1)
YesNOnoNOYes
VOLUNTEERS
Mazre
squidyj
cabbeh
EzekelRAGE
===BACKUP===
Septimus Prime
Palmer_V1
CURRENT VOTES:
Septimus Prime (1)
Haly
YesNOnoNOYes (1)
Septimus Prime
El Topo (3)
squidyj
cabbeh
Palmer_v1
Seath (1)
YesNOnoNOYes
VOLUNTEERS
Mazre
squidyj
cabbeh
EzekelRAGE
===BACKUP===
Septimus Prime
Palmer_V1
Mike_Hawk689
Member
If what you are saying is accurate and that you did go for Roy during N1, I feel this extremely anti-town. Not enough information was given during that day phase for you to go for him. I do understand that you have a target to kill to win but from what I read about roy seems awfully townish.
Come on now..
Bruh
Mike_Hawk689
Member
Sorry forgot to add this
VOTE: EL TOPO
VOTE: EL TOPO
Before I forget,
Vote: Septimus Prime
I really like to think that YNNY is town as evidenced by her quality of posts and being very pro-town. Like the new guy said, voting for her seems fishy. Septimus Prime is the only one that voted for her.
I'd like to put the heat on SP for now so that he can elaborate on his vote for YNNY and his reasoning. Also, Haly does have a point against SP.
Again, I just want to hear more from SP.
Vote: Septimus Prime
I really like to think that YNNY is town as evidenced by her quality of posts and being very pro-town. Like the new guy said, voting for her seems fishy. Septimus Prime is the only one that voted for her.
I'd like to put the heat on SP for now so that he can elaborate on his vote for YNNY and his reasoning. Also, Haly does have a point against SP.
Again, I just want to hear more from SP.
Why do you think you have a doctor, at least one backup and (presumably) one virtually unkillable role in the first place? Also (presumably) at least one role-blocker, no idea if mafia or town, not to mention that you can (indirectly) protect players (to some extent) by going on a mission.
It's probably not because there's only one role with a killing ability.
It's probably not because there's only one role with a killing ability.
That was my reasoning as well. And also why I don't believe you're not a one shot killer like you say you are. Otherwise town would have too much an advantage. Serial Killer though? I'll take that. The one shot was just a cover so we don't lynch you instantly.
(Still don't get the claim. You should've weathered the storm.)
(Still don't get the claim. You should've weathered the storm.)
Eh, I don't think there was much incentive for anyone to back off before I threatened to reveal my hand. Maybe if I had completely stopped posting after that I *could* have gotten away, but that would've been a fairly poor play by town. That said, Palmer has since the first day expressed his desire to get rid of me. He would've pushed on, no doubt about that, same as cabbeh, who demanded I reveal all.
Completely ignoring everything? Posting as little and as reasonably (without pissing anyone off) as possible? Not hyping Day 3? Eh, where's the fun in that? I much prefer players like Palmer, even if I don't think too much of his case against me (though he is otherwise a really good player), or cabbeh, rather than guys that just sit around, waiting for their opportunity.
I'd still rather live another day and be of use to you guys, but no one lives forever.
OKay...... we had Razmos who I read as scum and went in on on day 1 who I thought reacted strangely. turns out there may have been some level of legitimacy to that reaction as Razmos bowed out due to time constraints...... but then Razmos was replaced by awesomepossum and well.... just look at awesomepossum's post history.
Totally worth not lynching me, eh? Eh? Hey, you want me to test Ezzi's claim? I'm your man. Come on, just like old times, pal. Wait, we have no old times. Eh, worth a try.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
You are suspect if you want me to believe that that is the only reasonable action in a game with 20 players, many of whom are quiet, have spotty activity, strange behavior, almost entirely impossible to verify roleclaims, etc. Why is the most suspicious person NOT the one who claims bulletproof?
You want to talk about reason? Let's get Karl Popper up in this shit and attempt to falsify.
EzekelRAGE and El Topo are unknown quantities. We can test aspects of BOTH of their role claims TONIGHT, killing two birds with one mission, without wasting a lynch. Get El Topo on the mission. Have him shoot Ezekel. Nobody wants a loose cannon with a hand cannon anyway so we will not have wasted his weapon. I already explained what the outcomes mean. Even if EZ-E is bulletproof KGB Khrushchev scumbag, we can continue relegating him to milk runs until we have lynched all stay-at-home-KGB and then the only people dying happen to be on missions. I STILL think it was utterly misconceived of him to reveal. I can't even remember why he did, and I care very little to go back and see. The point is that we need to do a goddamned something about all these roleclaims, and I am the only one who has proposed a real lynchless way to do that.
So tell me again, Darryl. Why is lynching El Topo the only reasonable thing to do?
Is it because you feel threatened?
Hunting scum? Some idiot put our backs against the wall? He is neutral. It is very clear he is neutral. We might even have some mutual interests. And if he's not lying about his gadgets, then we have the opportunity to get real information on people WHEN WE HAVE ALREADY LOST THREE POWER ROLES IN TWO CYCLES.
But you can't possibly be that clueless, Darryl. The great ploy of nation-takers is to manufacture a crisis and frenzy the citizenry. But the wolves have already crept in with the sheep, and we are fencing them in with us, not out. Are our backs against the wall? Or are you building one behind us?
I'm just getting started.
Topo has "mascara", which implies seduction, which implies roleblock. I concede that it could be one of those fancy mascara gadgets and does something else. I will not force Topo to reveal what it does. He should continue to use the discretion he has been using (except for killing people).
Thanks! I want you to know that I am so Team YesNo, it hurts. :')
I'm not even close to done with you.
Only the most gullible among us would think that a one shot gun power on a neutral role would be "too much of an advantage". Not to mention, he is not town, so he can use that against town players... such as the fact that he was going to kill roy.
What exactly do you seek to achieve with all this pressure on him? Do you just like being a part of the giant FUD machine? Does that really help town?
Volunteer for the mission. Shoot EzekelRAGE. Then, for the next couple of nights, use your gadgets at your discrepancy. Or talk about it with us. We'll cross that bridge tomorrow. And the results of this wonderful little experiment will determine precisely what we're going to do about you... or Mr. Bulletproof.
cabbage already expressed that he wants to unvolunteer if someone else needs the spot.
Well, someone needs the spot.
Septimus Prime thinks he might be targetted or lynched today. Good. He's suspicious and I don't care much for him at all. Unvolunteer, or we'll force you with a lynch. squiddyj is also suspicious for reasons I don't care much for getting into right now. He is not at the top of my lynch list. So squiddyj, unvolunteer.
Palmer. You are also on the volunteer list. If either squiddy or Septimus Prime do not volunteer, would you be reasonable enoough to get off the volunteer list? You have been
very pro-town this game and that is why I am requesting this of you. I will understand if
you have reasons for staying on the mission.
Septimus Prime
Member
Sure. Looking town and being town are separate things. Look at her votes. She can say and do things that look town (and she does; look at her last post, which I was just reading and even considering changing my vote for just now), but look at her voting record: last-minute changes to pile onto the players who got eliminated on both days, piling up with the other players I suspect: squidyj and Darryl (and GLT).
Why did she vote for Visualante2 or Zubz? No real reasoning, either. "They seem scum."
Spoiled Milk
Banned
QuantumBro, what are your wise thoughts on this?
Septimus Prime
Member
Okay, fine.
NO VOLUNTEER
UNVOLUNTEER
So let's repeat the same mistake a third night in a row? That reads distinctly anti-town to me, no matter how you veil it with posts.
NO VOLUNTEER
UNVOLUNTEER
So why not vote for Darryl? We already saw that he was saved--twice--and both times it was a bad move.
So let's repeat the same mistake a third night in a row? That reads distinctly anti-town to me, no matter how you veil it with posts.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Two days worth of votes makes no voting record, bub~ specially when I had reasons for the second one.
EYES. USE THEM.
Having said that, I really don't like the numbers of silent coasters in our game. Where is possum? Kris is also a replacement and they usually brought loads of energeeee
Look at ezekel in last AC game... On that note, where the f is our Sterling >____>
Nyaaaahhhh
TheGoddamn
Member
GAF was down as I was trying to post (around 0230-0305 my time), so I went to bed. The paragraphs below are verbatim what I typed:
Haven't been able to use my laptop to go through this thread, so I'm still trying to wrap my head around everything. Some preliminary thoughts:
Losing two agency in one night is worrying-- that's four we've lost total in half as many days. There are only 19 of us left. I was right about the Krieger clone(s?) as well, not that that was a particular stretch.
We should be using the missions inventive ways. I'm suspicious of Mazre's prioritizing volunteering every day, and also of Palmer's wanting to get on for the third day in a row. You say you fear for your safety. But your reputation as an excellent player precedes you. Why wouldn't the KGB have tried to kill you sooner? Because you've always been on a mission, and dying on one essentially gives the agency a one in three shot of getting KGB?
Roy's role reveal also casts doubt onto Ezekel's role, which many of us readily believed (or at least readily figured into our possibilities) on D2. Including me.
And aww, YNNNY! I also like you... I think. Our subs are quite abrasive, no?
One addition: there are 19 of us left, Kristoffer. Not 20. (giant FUD machine? : P) So decisive action is much more critical today.
Haven't been able to use my laptop to go through this thread, so I'm still trying to wrap my head around everything. Some preliminary thoughts:
Losing two agency in one night is worrying-- that's four we've lost total in half as many days. There are only 19 of us left. I was right about the Krieger clone(s?) as well, not that that was a particular stretch.
We should be using the missions inventive ways. I'm suspicious of Mazre's prioritizing volunteering every day, and also of Palmer's wanting to get on for the third day in a row. You say you fear for your safety. But your reputation as an excellent player precedes you. Why wouldn't the KGB have tried to kill you sooner? Because you've always been on a mission, and dying on one essentially gives the agency a one in three shot of getting KGB?
Roy's role reveal also casts doubt onto Ezekel's role, which many of us readily believed (or at least readily figured into our possibilities) on D2. Including me.
And aww, YNNNY! I also like you... I think. Our subs are quite abrasive, no?
One addition: there are 19 of us left, Kristoffer. Not 20. (giant FUD machine? : P) So decisive action is much more critical today.
(whew, GAF is back for me)
Kristoffer, I like your moxie and your plan to have El Topo shoot our good friend Ezekel tonight.
We are getting nowhere with the Archer/Honeypot saga, and I am inclined to think worst case is like those poor Islanders where El Topo fulfills his win condition and disappears.
I may be able to assist you with this endeavor by lynching whomever the last person to volunteer is should they not get the hint and open the spot beforehand.
Kristoffer, I like your moxie and your plan to have El Topo shoot our good friend Ezekel tonight.
We are getting nowhere with the Archer/Honeypot saga, and I am inclined to think worst case is like those poor Islanders where El Topo fulfills his win condition and disappears.
I may be able to assist you with this endeavor by lynching whomever the last person to volunteer is should they not get the hint and open the spot beforehand.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Thanks, pal.
You're actually alright in my book, so I take back the "you're suspicious" comment.Agreed. QuantumBro seems like he's a busy person, but he still makes me uncomfortable. I also don't like MikeHawk's (non)contributions.
And I've got an entire chest full of complaints about Haly, but I'll save that for tomorrow.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
I am suspicious of Mazre as well, but have nothing more than that. I have been thinking of how to use missions the best, however. The benefit of the mission system is that it isolates a known quantity of agents. We should be cycling in our most suspicious characters every night. This won't work well while there are three (or more?) KGB about, but once it gets down to two, we might potentially prevent a murder during the night time (no one would want to murder while on a mission except neutrals). And when we finally get a kill-less night, we will be able to look at four people and say with slightly more certainty that these are prime suspects.
I think my "experiment" also counts as inventive.
Could you explain this sentiment more? I might have misread some prior posts.
Oh, shoot! I counted cooljeanius as well as myself. Apologies.
Are you saying you'll pressure someone with a vote, with me? Welcome aboard!
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Last post in a row, sorry for flooding.
That's a good question. Why not Darryl?
Hooray GAF is back.
What I meant was that I wasn't planning to give up my spot until the only thing necessary to finalize our desired configuration was for me to drop out. Sorry if I worded that poorly.
What I meant was that I wasn't planning to give up my spot until the only thing necessary to finalize our desired configuration was for me to drop out. Sorry if I worded that poorly.
Are you saying you'll pressure someone with a vote, with me? Welcome aboard!
Indeed, it sounds like fun. And that makes vote v1:
VOTE: Palmer_v1
I crack myself up
I... I don't know. You say a lot of words but I'm having difficulty finding meaning in them.
Perhaps I should clarify. I think he is (unlimited) Serial Killer because we have two (confirmed) Doctors and one (uncomfirmed) semi-bulletproof, on top of the Mission mechanic. That's a lot of defensive measures for Town to have. So either Mafia is also overpowered or... there is another neutral role that can kill. Repeatedly. Because, you know, we had two Doctors. Also roy is dead, and he says he "tracked" roy, which is, from my perspective, probably a lie.
I'm actually not sure what you were talking about there. Like, I get that you want to sound aggressive to get a rise out of your targets but at least try to make sense. Like this here:
This is nonsense because if I was El Topo and a SK, I could just not use my ability that night, therefore confirming nothing. Good job! Great plan there. I don't see how you can actually distinguish between:
1) A night kill by Topo on ER that fails
2) A no kill by Topo
Unless you're role claiming psychic?
Welcome Kristoffer, a cat that likes to bark that's new. Also just to point out the obvious in case someone missed it in skimming, but Kristoffer has made a claim of ordinary drone, make a note if you're so inclined.
Have been through once quickly for the day but am working my way back through and responding as necessary. Have to say so far I'm against the plan to send El Topo for the purpose of shooting ER.
Septimus Prime
Member
Ezekel said that, on the first night, he got a PM to alert him that an attempt was made to kill him, which failed. If this is true, he could know if El Topo also makes an attempt on him.
The caveat is that he could also always just lie about it.
No way.
Surely, the amazing master planner Kristoffer would've accounted for the fact that either side could lie about anything, especially if it implicates the other party, because they'll be able to wrangle another day out of it.
There must be another layer to his scheme that we're not capable of grasping.
4 dead town is actually perfectly normal for the start of day 3. Spoiler there will probably be another 2-3 dead town by the start of day4 (assuming multiple night kills again). Just the nature of the game.
Could you elaborate on your claim that Roy being a doctor casts doubt on ER? Not sure I'm following your reasoning.
Since several people keep bringing it up yes I've been continuing to volunteer, largely because there hasn't been a very good reason for me not too. If I hadn't volunteered today we might have run the risk of losing continuity of our mission chats.
As for my presence that's been explained several times, I work a 9-5 and can't post at work (period). I don't work on Sundays and hence am around when the day begins. Two simple solutions to the problem of me going on missions, lynch me, or lynch someone else prior to the deadline and change the start time of the day. Do as you see fit.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
To be honest, I'm not opposed to this. I like Darryl tho. He's a smart player and he makes pretty awesome contributions. But if the Agency needs to lynch Mr. SwearWords to ascertain something, I'm on board........... though if you are proven wrong, I am likely to bite your head off in the next day cuz at least Darryl seems handsome, unlike some of the timid wallflowers we've got on board atm >____>
There are SO many players that are content of just surfing quietly in the back and I dread to see what the thread would look like with even less active participants. Not jabbing at anyone in particular, but deadweights are deadweights >:C
I'm looking at YOU QuantumBro, Hobohodo, and NOTAwesomePossum >:O
Then there's people like Mazre who has the zeal to keep his volunteering seat on the beginning of every day and makes the squeakiest, most cleanest surf line into the next day without giving much valuable contributions.
At least Enker and Mike sort of tries :x
NO CHILDREN TRYING DOESNT CUT IT. THIS IS AMERICA. #OnlyWinnersAreRealAmericans
And hey, thanks for unvolunteering! You're a good sport, Septi! :>
This is indeed the best reason to lynch El Topo today, because you don't want him going around killing town looking for his robot. It'd be different if he was Vigilante (and this might've been the superior claim), but he isn't.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Oh, that post took awhile before I finally posted it XD I see Mazre has relocated himself into the "TRYING" category. SORRY MAZZI! Pls forgive~
TheGoddamn, YESH, you, i likey you~ sort of You are the only one that took the bother to respond to my brain curling avatar mystery weirdoness. I will leave that in the bin for now. It seems not to mean anything except that Seath is probably a 3rd Party role. Unless you have an epiphany? And you make interesting and insightful posties when you post. Also you remind me of Batman. So that's always a plus
TheGoddamn, YESH, you, i likey you~ sort of
You are the only one that took the bother to respond to my brain curling avatar mystery weirdoness. I will leave that in the bin for now. It seems not to mean anything except that Seath is probably a 3rd Party role. Unless you have an epiphany? And you make interesting and insightful posties when you post. Also you remind me of Batman. So that's always a plus Spoiled Milk
Banned
Holster your weapon, Geronimo. If Mazre unvolunteers and cabbeh unvolunteers, there will be no need.
...Well, I suppose you are not going to unvolunteer, then. If you can elaborate your thinking on this matter I would appreciate it.
I actually misread your post and thought you were accusing The Mole of not having a killing role at all. Apologies.
I'm much more concerned about Ezekel's bulletproof claim than I am about El Topo's one-shot. The reason is that claiming bulletproof offers nothing for town, but it gives the claimant some ethos and it also gives him an excuse for not being night-killed. Meanwhile, Topo's claim gives town an inkling of hope, and when so many power roles have already been extinguished you would have to be incredibly myopic to let such an opportunity slip. More information is better than less, so I see great utility in those gadgets.
You cannot distinguish between the two. That is correct. However, if Ezekel were to die, that would satisfy my number one concern of "is he really bulletproof?". If Topo does not actually use his weapon, then he is not town aligned and we will catch him doing something anti-town later on and lynch him at that point. It is a very minor loss in the form of misinformation if he lies (we are back to where we are right now, anyway) and it is a very great boon if we kill a liar.
You say that El Topo is more likely a Serial Killer. But if that were the case, then that means that the no-kill on Night 1 was due to the miraculous guessing of the two doctors and/or a roleblocker. I find that a far greater leap than merely trusting someone who says "hey, I've got a gun, and it's one-shot".
We have more to gain than we do to lose, and we don't even have to lynch for it.
Can we just, you know, lynch a quiet player today? Like MikeHawk?
Septimus Prime
Member
No problem!
The silent ones might end up being the most dangerous, since we know almost nothing about them.
Hmm, yes. If he can kill more than once, though, he might also kill some KGB for us doing the same thing.
Emphasis mine. Beg pardon?
I'm not opposed to getting rid of El Topo nor do I put a lot of credence into his claim but I think your supposition of him having unlimited kills is just muddying the waters at this point. SKs generally *HAVE* to kill every night and it seems unlikely he would be in search of a single target if there was no penalty to him killing incorrectly. It could be either/or but I doubt it's both.
Septimus Prime
Member
If he can only kill once, and he already exhausted that ability, his other abilities might actually be beneficial to us, assuming he actually shares with us what those abilities are and what their results are.
For this to make sense, though, we'd need to know his win condition. If it really is for one particular player die, and he really can't directly kill this player anymore, he should have little reason not to help us out.
He has no reason to help us either, and has already stated that his personal goal in playing is having fun. With that mindset he's just as likely to make up whatever he pleases or hurt us at the worst possible moment.
He must've known it would put the spotlight on him though. And he volunteered for the mission on top of it. I mean yes, potentially dangerous, but who would employ such a gambit on Day 2, with no prior pressure, and then stay by it? The early days are not opportune times for gambits, Blargonaut's antics notwithstanding.
It would be a long shot. Like, really really long. Not that it'll hurt (except it'll put whoever we take off the volunteer list at risk), but I'm not feeling as confident as you are.
I guess if you look at it that way, it's not bad. Certainly more productive than maintaining the status quo.
I'd rather go for the suspicious folks first otherwise we're just letting them slip past the net, but I'm not opposed to making the inactives talk more. At least Mikehawk replied today but Possum has been more inactive than the player he replaced.
VOTE: TheAwesomePossum
Right, I forgot SKs are usually compelled to kill. Big oversight on my part. If he is one shot though, then I still feel that leaves us at a huge advantage over Mafia... if we didn't somehow piss it all away by Day 3.
Doesnt a lack of kills on N1 kind of disprove the must kill every night?
Spoiled Milk
Banned
I forgot to mention this as well. The only way this plan doesn't work is if they both lie about what happened. If their lies concur, then we keep Ezekel on the milk runs and we use Topo's other gadgets... which, if he was lying to use, will lead us down the wrong path and we'll just end up lynching him anyway. Consistently misleading people to great and disastrous effect is actually fairly difficult. If their lies do not concur, then we will have the wonderful opportunity to lynch one of them tomorrow.
You've got to be kidding me.
By not wasting a lynch with this plan and focusing on other players, we are actually moving faster in the Town victory direction. The best case scenario with my plan is:
1) We lynch a suspicious character today that is neither EZ-E, nor Beef Tapa and
2) Tomorrow, we lynch a liar given new and valuable information.
3) If El Topo is the scumbag, then we have verified Ezekel and we can keep him on the missions and people can stop talking about him. Honeypot will eventually try to get on the missions which will help us even more. Ezekel is the scumbag, he will be DEAD and we will have El Topo's gadgets available to us.
The worst case scenario with my plan is:
1) We lynch a suspicious player today. Great, one more suspicious player knocked out, and if they are town, we will have to just deal with it.
2) They both lie tomorrow, at which point we just lynch another suspicious person. In other words, normal pace.
The best case scenario with your plan is that we kill a serial killer or scum and now have no way of guaranteeing that EZ is bulletproof. That is a good lynch, sure, but it's also just a normal victory that doesn't have to happen today.
The most likely good scenario is that you kill a neutral one shot character, because, as I've said, it is unlikely that he is a serial killer. Nobody died Night 1.
The worst case scenario is that you kill a neutral one shot character that could have helped town a fair bit, and then the next day we are again without leads.
Our worst case scenarios are relatively the same in helpfulness to town, but our best case scenarios are vastly different. In fact, mine is far superior.
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I hope everyone can see what Haly is doing. He is sabotaging a good, decent course of action, wasting our lynch, denying us potential tools, and preventing us from gaining valuable information about characters with suspicious motivations/alignment. He is attempting to discredit me by painting me as illogical and short-sighted, even though he offers an even more egregious plan. He is attempting to have everyone believe there is a serial killer without the body count to prove it.
Sure, I think ER is most likely at minimum Archer and town. With 2 Kriegers and a Ray revealed so far it's pretty unthinkable to me that there isn't an Archer. If ER is lying about that point it will absolutely come out in the course of the game when another Archer shows up. In light of that, testing his bulletproofness via a neutral party seems like a poor play to me.