Fess
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Oh.. I knew about Fortnite, and also Gamepass, but had no idea COD, Minecraft, "FIFA" were unplayable. Then SteamOS is toast as a big gaming OS, can't leave some of the absolute biggest titles behind.
Are Microsoft quitting the console hardware market?
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Syphon Filter
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Nvidia is not needed, AMD is fine. Even the consoles are using AMD. I would say the main obstacle is that emulation isnt ideal, native is.
ChorizoPicozo
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I trust Jex Corned
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I think the answer is 'sort of'.
There will be new hardware but even if it is a traditional console its not going to be aggressively marketed and discounted. I think MS are done with taking a bath on every unit sold while still ending up a distant last in sales. They will release at cost or a slight profit and let the chips fall where they may, which will probably result in next gen being their last as a real player in the mainstream console space.
There will be new hardware but even if it is a traditional console its not going to be aggressively marketed and discounted. I think MS are done with taking a bath on every unit sold while still ending up a distant last in sales. They will release at cost or a slight profit and let the chips fall where they may, which will probably result in next gen being their last as a real player in the mainstream console space.
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Baemono
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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Absolutely, some GAFers seem to only think within the boundaries of the traditional console model, for which the absolute numbers of boxes sold relative to the total market is of high importance. However, once you look as Xbox devices more like they're a Microsoft Notebook or an AIO desktop, a tablet or whatever - Microsoft doesn't need to sell 100 million of those. The surface books don't exist to outsell some other company, they're more of a statement and a way to build the brand Microsoft as a whole. Xbox devices are part of that huge ecosystem, they're not literally the only product and it needs to sell gangbusters to not risk the future of the whole company.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
I say that Microsoft will stay in the console market but may just stick to American only. It's a huge market and they by far and away sell most of their hardware in the United States. The Uk also buys a decent amount so maybe just stick to region area's. I think they may change directions on how they approach hardware. We shall see.
Varteras
Member
I may just be out of the loop for the moment so forgive me if this has already been pointed out or I'm wrong and just missed something, but doesn't it seem like Xbox has been overall.... quiet? I mean, I feel like we had a Phil Spencer interview or quote every week. Or someone one else from Xbox had something to say. But lately I just haven't noticed anything of the sort going on. Is this a general trend not exclusive to them? Am I way off?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Someone pointed out that Xbox hardware is scarce at retailers. Jez Corden's "exclusive report" was a controlled leak before the Xbox event, likely to signal to the media that they shouldn't ask about the Xbox handheld/set fan expectations.
So, the next Xbox PR cycle should happen soon.
I wonder what kind of narrative Phil is going to try to establish next week
hououinkyouma00
Gold Member
This is kind of where I'm at. Modern Xbox is so hard to follow and they seem to go back and forth constantly. They already considered just shutting it all down last gen according to those emails so anything is possible.
I'd like to think they wouldn't give up quite yet but who knows.
Kvally
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Anyone who believes everything any of these heads of gaming says is clueless.
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REDRZA MWS
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Stupidity. Ask Sony and Nintendo
MiguelItUp
Member
Second thread about this today? Lmao, y'all are wild. Have you looked up on Google yourselves? I did, Walmart, Target, and GameStop all had stock in my area for pickup and for shipping. I'm not sure where this is all coming from, lol.
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hououinkyouma00
Gold Member
I'm sure it is, but for me there isn't a single Series X whether digital or physical available near me outside of Limited Stock showing at 1 GameStop location for the regular black Series X.
Best Buy had literally nothing at all, same with target, and just that single GameStop within 50 miles of me. Everybody has Series S but there really isn't a X anywhere near me.
Neo_game
Member
I think they are done. They are doing worse than last gen. SX to PS5 is probably 1;4. Last gen they sold more than 50million according to Vgchartz. This gen they are 33million and SX is probably 16million only and the sales are declining. Moreover now they are releasing their games on all platform so they do not want to or do not think the hardware matters much.
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
Software has been mid at best as well.
Humdinger
Gold Member
They have an Xbox game showcase scheduled for June 8th, in about a week. So we'll hear more then.
I agree that Phil took a big step back, starting about a year ago. I think that was a combination of Phil's own state of mind (disappointment?) and his distaste for answering the types of questions he knew were coming.
MiguelItUp
Member
I get that, but stocks do fluctuate. Bigger cities, stores with more traffic, more inventory. I live in a big city, so I'm not surprised that everything is stocked. But that doesn't mean it's the only city stocked, just like ones that are low aren't the only low ones.
If anything it could have something to do with their production. Maybe it's behind? I dunno. But I wouldn't assume they're "no longer doing it" until we know for sure, lol.
Avid Reading Horse
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Well, as GAF's preeminent shitposter I'd have hoped that you'd have recognized that in essence it was largely meant as a shitpost.
But dropping the word "console" was intentional. I think the most positive change that could happen on the software side for my gaming life would be for Windows to be replaced as the gaming OS.
But I don't have much use for Microsoft or Sony for games these days either. I mean I'd still be on Microsoft for COD if they hadn't alienated me as a customer. And I guess I'm on Sony for Destiny 2 which much like COD was acquired after the fact. The only recent game from either that I purchased was Helldivers 2 and I still haven't gotten around to giving it some proper playtime.
So, it's not really about the Xbox division's quality of software output but more about Microsoft as a malevolent force as a whole.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
They need to deal with the "steam OS problem" before they loose the only competitive edge their OS division has with the private sector.
Also, why would they need to build hardware when every hardware manufacture (currently anyway...see also the looming specter of Steam OS) makes said hardware that runs their operating system. Much like creating or cultivating games internally has little draw for them, they will just outsource the hardware. As long as it "plays their catalogue" and drives ad revenue they don't really care.
Also, why would they need to build hardware when every hardware manufacture (currently anyway...see also the looming specter of Steam OS) makes said hardware that runs their operating system. Much like creating or cultivating games internally has little draw for them, they will just outsource the hardware. As long as it "plays their catalogue" and drives ad revenue they don't really care.
0neAnd0nly
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Xbox selling out at all retailers in sales blitz confirmed!
Writing the article now!
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
X360 had major RRoD issues. Xbox One never made the impact Microsoft hoped for and Series S was a huge mistake.
I beg to differ.
Hector Hall
Member
Xbox has we have know it, as a closed system with its own SO, development environment, digital marketplace, own SKU of games, is probably done for.
A on demand PC with Premium price, Steam, running Windows SKU s, all with a Xbox sticker and a reduced emulated retro with prior generations, that could well be.
A on demand PC with Premium price, Steam, running Windows SKU s, all with a Xbox sticker and a reduced emulated retro with prior generations, that could well be.
Switch 2 had a good run I guess.
Doesn't matter what MS wants. They also wanted to own the console gaming market, look how that turned out in the end.
MS has no control over Valve and what they do with Steam OS at this point. Steam is too big. MS' only play left to salvage Windows gaming is the nuclear option: leverage the vast amount of content they now own and delist everything from Steam. Starve Valve/Linux of games.
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Astray
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I mean just because you want something doesn't mean you're guaranteed to get it.
Their efforts will definitely have some sort of impact on PC Gaming though. It's clear that they're taking their eye off Sony and putting it on Valve though.
I predict a long cold war happening in Washington.
Unknown Soldier
Member
All of the "MS" games are from Bethesda and Activision Blizzard, who they acquired
So this is literally that "I made this" meme come to life
Sony didn't have $100 billion laying around to go on an acquisition spree so it's hardly fair to compare them to Bethesda and Activision Blizzard combined, two well known large (previously independent) third party publisher and studio
GHG
Member
It's just a shame
Little Chicken
's thread didn't stay open a bit longer.
I know you're not supposed to play with your food long after it's dead and cold, but I would have made an exception.
Little Chicken
's thread didn't stay open a bit longer. I know you're not supposed to play with your food long after it's dead and cold, but I would have made an exception.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Disagree here because outside of Starfield I didn't include any games from them and you could have taken Starfield away and I still would have preferred games like Forza and Flight Sim over R&C and Astro
But lets be totally clear Ratchet and Astro are superior games but I have put many many more hours into Forza and Flight Sim and I personally want replay ability over a game I complete in 2 or 3 play sessions no matter how good it was
Astray
Member
Lol he's been getting rotisserie'd in every thread he's in for a while now.It's just a shame
I know you're not supposed to play with your food long after it's dead and cold, but I would have made an exception.
Mercy ban as far as I'm concerned tbh. If anything I'll be missing his daily crash-outs in every PS thread.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Am I naive in thinking that gaming will be so much more interesting post-console wars?
TBiddy
Member
I'm amazed by the absolute insanity of his obsession with Xbox. Jesus christ
Nydius
Gold Member
Unknown Soldier
Member
No.
After Microsoft was defeated in the spinning round disc wars between Blu-ray and HD DVD, the Blu-ray format went on to having a 3D version and a 4K version, both of which would have been technically impossible with the HD DVD specification
After Microsoft was defeated in the mobile phone wars by the combined forces of Apple and Google, the modern capacitive touch screen smartphone pioneered by the original iPhone became the most important technology product in human history and changed everything about society, culture, and economics from how things were before
Every time a market is freed from Microsoft, it becomes more free, more vibrant, more innovative, and more joyful. If Steam OS could free PC gamers from Microsoft, a similar revolution could occur there too
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
'combined forces of apple and google'
This post is missing the /s at the end, right?
Burger King
Member
Microsoft is quitting everithing
Their fortune is the legacy
Their fortune is the legacy
RetroGamingUK
Member
'combined forces of apple and google'
This post is missing the /s at the end, right?
Ah Windows Phone with its interface that looked like it was knocked up in 5 minutes on Windows 95 Paint and an App Store that had a Quran app for each day of the year and not a single fucking useful maps app.
Dogshit phones.
Varteras
Member
Mibu no ookami
I was wondering the same thing myself when it comes to the discussions around here. I'm not optimistic that the tribalism won't just change to something else. Or maybe it does die off but then I wonder if overall discussions plummet and we're left with nice talks but lack the entertainment.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I mean I think a lot of people here are going to go the PCMR route and we'll see an uptick of PCMR vs Console warring, but in general, I think discourse over the internet and even here might improve and get more focused on games, but you're right you see some of the threads and the direction and I'm probably being naive.
I don't know, fingers crossed I guess.
drganon
Member
That's already been happening for a while.
Why do they only have Sega Genesis in the pie chart?Good understanding of how the subsidised console business works there.
Without a user base of 80+ million and the game sales that go with it it's difficult to make the big profits necessary to make the business sustainable.
Sony and Nintendo have regularly had generations where they've sold 100+ million consoles, Microsoft have never come close to this.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Their other consoles didn't make the top 20