Are remasters going to count in GAF's GOTY voting?

Chezzymann said:
So last year I could have voted for Earthbound? Dangit.
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yeah, there comes a point where it gets a little ridiculous. even in the early era of virtual console releases, i think i made a point that any port had to be at retail and not digital.

these days, i'm not sure. i would have probably allowed it.

i would like to do a game of the generation vote for pc 1998-2004/dc/gc/ps2/xb/gba since that was really gaf's first era.
 
In fact, I think the Left Behind DLC is closer to Reaper of Souls from Diablo 3 or other similar expansion packs that still require the original game. Not a vote for the original game, though.

Gotta hope that kind of thing is eligiable
 
Seanspeed said:
Eh, I can understand it. I can understand those who disagree too, but limiting it to new games isn't a horrible idea at all.
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It's not the rule I have a problem with, it's the convenience of changing it this year specifically. No other year would a Remaster have ever had a chance to get anywhere in the list, it's like they're doing it now out of fear of TLoU and GTA, and I don't care if they claim that's not the case and this has been planned for years. I don't believe it.

If Dark Souls 2 is my GotY next year, so be it, I can't vote for it, that's fine, but they're doing it now because two of the best games this year count, and counted last year.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
In fact, I think the Left Behind DLC is closer to Reaper of Souls from Diablo 3 or other similar expansion packs that still require the original game. Not a vote for the original game, though.

Gotta hope that kind of thing is eligiable
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Surely it's "Best DLC"?
 
I say let people waste their votes on remasters that will end up nowhere in the end anyway....and if one actually does break into the top 10, then it's even more laughable
 
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If you didn't vote for the likes of TLoU or GTA V last year, then I don't see why you shouldn't be able to vote for them this year. Obviously, if you played both games and included them in your top ten for the 2013 voting thread then they should be ineligible for your own personal list this time around.
 
I don't think we should even have standardised rules set in stone for these remasters.

Even though it feels like a ton of remasters have come out, it's actually not more than a handful. I feel like their eligibility could be easily judged on a case-by-case basis instead of trying to create carefully worded rules that people can still twist and interpret (like it is now).
 
If they do, then my GOTY is Advance Wars. It would be Sonic 3, but I think it was a barren year for that game being churned out.

Grassclipper said:
Are we going to have a game of the generation vote soon as well considering all the big titles for old gen are out now?
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Best for summer 2015. Still gotta play Yakuza 5 baby.
 
StuBurns said:
It's not the rule I have a problem with, it's the convenience of changing it this year specifically. No other year would a Remaster have ever had a chance to get anywhere in the list, it's like they're doing it now out of fear of TLoU and GTA, and I don't care if they claim that's not the case and this has been planned for years. I don't believe it.

If Dark Souls 2 is my GotY next year, so be it, I can't vote for it, that's fine, but they're doing it now because two of the best games this year count, and counted last year.
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I don't agree that Remasters and such should count because there's so many of them nowadays - all really fantastic games as well - that they overshadow games that came out this year. GOTY should be a celebration of what has been released in the last 12 months, and a new lick of paint on a game released beforehand doesn't seem fair to the brand new experiences released in 2014.
 
Acquiescence said:
If you didn't vote for the likes of TLoU or GTA V last year, then I don't see why you shouldn't be able to vote for them this year. Obviously, if you played both games and included them in your top ten for the 2013 voting thread, they should be ineligible for your own personal list this time around.
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This is pretty much how I feel too; another reason why I don't agree with them not being eligible.

You mentioned the only two remasters that actually have a shot at being in a top 10 GOTY list via votes (GTA and TLoU) but even then I don't think the chance of them being in that spot is very high in the first place. Don't know why some here are so against it.
 
TLOU would count since they reworked some areas and shifted it to 60fps which makes a dramatic improvement to the look and feel of the game. I tried the 30fps lock option in the menu for 10 seconds... Yuck.
 
As someone that only played TLOU on PS4, I feel like it deserves to be on my list, however I see a case happening where people played it 2 years in a row and will count it as GOTY twice and I don't feel like that's right.
 
Despite stuff like FFX/X-2 and KH2.5 getting soundtrack overhauls (and actual soundtrack rereleases as very distinctly different products from the original versions), I would say no, not even in the music categories.
 
When's the thread going up? I have my post ready to go. Except the Left Behind talk has me doubting. I didn't think of putting DLC on my list, so I don't think I'll change it now.

Tanner1495 said:
As someone that only played TLOU on PS4, I feel like it deserves to be on my list, however I see a case happening where people played it 2 years in a row and will count it as GOTY twice and I don't feel like that's right.
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Just put The Last of Us in your 2013 slot.
 
Haunted said:
For GTAV, I'd make the argument that the upgrades have been significant enough to warrant eligibility. Same with Binding of Isaac: Rebirth. Not sure about TLoU.
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It seems like time should probably be a bit of a factor, but maybe that's just up to voters. Releasing a GTAV -> GTAV+ type upgrade of a decade old game would seem eligible to me (i.e. WW:HD last year). Releasing it a couple years after the original release just feels like overpriced downloadable content. But I guess voters can decide.
 
StuBurns said:
It's not the rule I have a problem with, it's the convenience of changing it this year specifically. No other year would a Remaster have ever had a chance to get anywhere in the list, it's like they're doing it now out of fear of TLoU and GTA, and I don't care if they claim that's not the case and this has been planned for years. I don't believe it.

If Dark Souls 2 is my GotY next year, so be it, I can't vote for it, that's fine, but they're doing it now because two of the best games this year count, and counted last year.
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Its not about 'convenience', as if some people are trying to rig the game to favour any certain games, they just want to see a more interesting result than a rehash of what we already know as two classics in the making winning again.

I can understand what you're saying, but I also dont disagree that letting people vote for these games might make for a less interesting contest. Its fair, either way. q
 
Personally I hope not, to me a GOTY for 2014 should be for a game I couldn't play prior to 2014, but that's just my opinion
 
To be serious for a moment it should be all remasters/remakes allowed or no remasters/remakes allowed. Otherwise it becomes a wishy washy bs thing that takes forever to to actually talk about.
 
Should be counted, but separately. Have two categories... one GOTY tier that's just brand-new games, and have another that includes everything. I actually think it'd be interesting to see the balance and what both lists look like with/without the remasters. I like data, though. :)
 
ghibli99 said:
Should be counted, but separately. Have two categories... one GOTY tier that's just brand-new games, and have another that includes everything. I actually think it'd be interesting to see the balance and what both lists look like with/without the remasters. I like data, though. :)
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Then what are we rating the remasters on? The quality of the game, or the quality of the remaster?
 
StuBurns said:
It's not the rule I have a problem with, it's the convenience of changing it this year specifically. No other year would a Remaster have ever had a chance to get anywhere in the list, it's like they're doing it now out of fear of TLoU and GTA, and I don't care if they claim that's not the case and this has been planned for years. I don't believe it.

If Dark Souls 2 is my GotY next year, so be it, I can't vote for it, that's fine, but they're doing it now because two of the best games this year count, and counted last year.
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I'm sorry you don't believe it, but those games honestly have nothing to do with it. I was literally going to clarify the rules last year but ran out of time.


Jachaos said:
When's the thread going up? I have my post ready to go. Except the Left Behind talk has me doubting. I didn't think of putting DLC on my list, so I don't think I'll change it now.
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Next week sometime. Last year it was up on the 19th, so you can expect it this year around a similar time frame.
 
ghibli99 said:
Should be counted, but separately. Have two categories... one GOTY tier that's just brand-new games, and have another that includes everything. I actually think it'd be interesting to see the balance and what both lists look like with/without the remasters. I like data, though. :)
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Yea, that would absolutely be ideal, but maybe a bit messy for presentation's sake.
 
Whilst I love 1st person mode in GTAV and use it almost exclusively (apart from piloting planes and subs), I don't think it should count. It's a great addition, but not a game-changing one.
 
here's the secret you guys, you can vote for whatever you want in your list, who cares if it actually gets counted or not?

the point is to make your list as cool as you can, everyone already knows what the top 10 will look like.
 
So then TLOU is eligible as the textures are significantly improved and there were enhancements and tweaks to other areas of the game, including character models and lighting.

GTAV additions are substantial as well.
 
Could a sequel film win best picture of the year? Yes, it's happened (once). Could a rerelease win best picture of the year? Yes, it could (Although that has never happened).

It isn't that these films are literally banned from being considered, it's that most mediums value originality and creativity, and nothing is as unoriginal and uncreative as a movie that literally already came out, just with slightly fewer pixels or slightly worse special effects or something.

What voting for a re-release would suggest of the "hardcore" gaming community is that we place little or no value or originality and creativity, which is a criticism that is already leveled at us, as we approach Final Fantasy XV and MGS5 and GTAVI and Call of Duty 473.

I don't think giving weight to those beliefs is a particularly good idea.
 
Opiate said:
Could a sequel film win best picture of the year? Yes, it's happened (once). Could a rerelease win best picture of the year? Yes, it could (Although that has never happened).

It isn't that these films are literally banned from being considered, it's that most mediums value originality and creativity, and nothing is as unoriginal and uncreative as a movie that literally already came out, just with slightly fewer pixels or slightly worse special effects or something.

What voting for a re-release would suggest of the "hardcore" gaming community is that we place little or no value or originality and creativity, which is a criticism that is already leveled at us, as we approach Final Fantasy XV and MGS5 and GTAVI and Call of Duty 473.

I don't think giving weight to those beliefs is a particularly good idea.
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You certainly live up to your tag.
 
Opiate said:
Could a sequel film win best picture of the year? Yes, it's happened (once). Could a rerelease win best picture of the year? Yes, it could (Although that has never happened).

It isn't that these films are literally banned from being considered, it's that most mediums value originality and creativity, and nothing is as unoriginal and uncreative as a movie that literally already came out, just with slightly fewer pixels or slightly worse special effects or something.

What voting for a re-release would suggest of the "hardcore" gaming community is that we place little or no value or originality and creativity, which is a criticism that is already leveled at us, as we approach Final Fantasy XV and MGS5 and GTAVI and Call of Duty 473.

I don't think giving weight to those beliefs is a particularly good idea.
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I swear you steal my thoughts and articulate them brilliantly on a daily basis. Lol
 
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