Are you impressed yet with MS?

I'd say that they're doing about as well as I expected in the U.S. and somewhat worse than I expected in Europe.

I expected them to have some mindshare in Japan after 3 years, and they've not made any headway at all. I don't see how this Mistwalker deal changes anything. They still can't seem to get any major publisher other than Tecmo to do anything worth a crap for them. It's quite remarkable that the Japanese publishers seem willing to continue to lose market share in the West rather than do business with Microsoft.
 
Rhindle said:
It's quite remarkable that the Japanese publishers seem willing to continue to lose market share in the West rather than do business with Microsoft.
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It's not like they're throwing a ton of exclusives at the Gamecube. They're just producing the majority of their games for the system with the vast majority of marketshare in all regions.
 
Naw, both Xbox and GameCube are comparative flops. When either Microsoft or Nintendo can achieve at least 30% marketshare worlwide, that'll be impressive. This generation their machines couldn't even beat what N64 managed though, hell they couldn't get half the marketshare N64 did. :/
 
I am a western man, and i for one love the xbox because its aimed at my interests as a gamer. I still enjoy japanese games, but not to the point where i diss my own culture.

I dont really care what flak i get for this point of view, because i am content knowing that i am not a fake ass japanese wannabe who dismisses great western games.

Some of the best games to be released ever have appeared on xbox.
 
jarrod said:
Naw, both Xbox and GameCube are comparative flops. When either Microsoft or Nintendo can achieve at least 30% marketshare worlwide, that'll be impressive. This generation their machines couldn't even beat what N64 managed though, hell they couldn't get half the marketshare N64 did. :/
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The Earnest GAFfer.
 
Yes and no.

Yes in that they have done a solid job in building a brand rep among older consumers and the incredible success of the Halo games. They've also been able to beat Nintendo pretty handily in North America. Their online service is also well done. And the new deal with Mistwalker does seem to be a step in the right direction.

No in that they've managed to lose $3 billion on the XBox in like 3 years, which is absurd. I mean really, sometimes I think Honda or any company could make a successful game console with no experience if they had $3 billion to blow on it.
 
I think Xbox shocked a lot of people, and if MS didn't release a console this generation, then I'd only see mainstream gamers owning just a PS2 instead of both.
 
GG-Duo said:
I'm impressed by their utterly hilarious use of money.
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Yeah, that's about the size of it.
I won't hate too much though, since their insane spending and impossible losses are all technically in my favor. :)
 
soundwave05 said:
Yes and no.

Yes in that they have done a solid job in building a brand rep among older consumers and the incredible success of the Halo games. They've also been able to beat Nintendo pretty handily in North America. Their online service is also well done. And the new deal with Mistwalker does seem to be a step in the right direction.

No in that they've managed to lose $3 billion on the XBox in like 3 years, which is absurd. I mean really, sometimes I think Honda or any company could make a successful game console with no experience if they had $3 billion to blow on it.
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Well put it in perspective.

Sony leaping into gaming and knocking KOing Sega and Nintendo was like Mike Tyson leaping into the ring and knocking Frank Bruno out.

With MS is was more like leaping into the ring as a expensive trained competitor taking on in his prime Tyson, putting up a good show, but given a through beating and schooling, but enough to show Tyson that he better up his game for the rematch.
 
Definitely. I never followed gamer culture beyond my own interests before this gen. I honestly wasn't very aware of the serious nature of the console wars battled by nerds behind keyboards the world over. How wonderful! So I bought one taking a chance and ended up having more fun on the console than any other. It doesn't have the breadth of library of my Playstation, but it just kept increasing in quality as time went on. And LIVE is brilliant, worth every penny I paid (the price of a new game so far). I was shocked that a new company, even with tons of money behind them, would make a console that ended up being so much more interesting than a company I knew from my youth as the king of video games (Nintendo).

They seem very receptive to capturing the market by flagrant spending and catering to the gaming desires of many gamers. That's fine by me.
 
I've been impressed since day 1 when I got mine, but this Mistwalker thing doessn't mean anything as far as I'm concerned, until I see the actual game, and play it. But as far as the aquisition saving Japan, get a clue, just look at the sales of XBOX over there, not a chance unless they get Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy EXCLUSIVE.
 
not yet. i'll be impressed when MGS Japan makes more high quality games like phantom dust.
statistics, sales, market share etc aren't very important to me.
 
COCKLES said:
Well put it in perspective.

Sony leaping into gaming and knocking KOing Sega and Nintendo was like Mike Tyson leaping into the ring and knocking Frank Bruno out.

With MS is was more like leaping into the ring as a expensive trained competitor taking on in his prime Tyson, putting up a good show, but given a through beating and schooling, but enough to show Tyson that he better up his game for the rematch.
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Still, I mean losing $3 billion on a hardware and ending up with a userbase that's likely to fizzle around 25-28 million users ... I mean its kind of hard to overlook that part.

MS has racked up higher losses in 3 years than Sega did in 15.

MS isn't a regular company, its like being impressed that a famous actor/actresses daughter/son ends up (gasp!) getting a movie role. Its kind of hard to be that impressed. Without Daddy Gates' bankroll, Microsoft's game division probably would've been beat even by Sega (had they stayed in the game).
 
COCKLES said:
Well put it in perspective.

Sony leaping into gaming and knocking KOing Sega and Nintendo was like Mike Tyson leaping into the ring and knocking Frank Bruno out.

With MS is was more like leaping into the ring as a expensive trained competitor taking on in his prime Tyson, putting up a good show, but given a through beating and schooling, but enough to show Tyson that he better up his game for the rematch.
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Tyson didn't fight anybody decent in his prime. The only real worthy opponent in that span was Holyfield, and he was too chicken-shit to do it.
 
Just forget about money. They went into it planning to lose tons of money. MS doesnt care.


They want your living room... and after 15 years of trying.. it looks like theyre going to get it.
 
I'm not all that thrilled about the RPG they sealed, but on the whole, I'm impressed with MS. Their online implementation is second to none. I will be getting an Xbox 2 on launch (and Revolution too - Sony can kiss my ass).
 
soundwave05 said:
Still, I mean losing $3 billion on a hardware and ending up with a userbase that's likely to fizzle around 25-28 million users ... I mean its kind of hard to overlook that part.

MS has racked up higher losses in 3 years than Sega did in 15.

MS isn't a regular company, its like being impressed that a famous actor/actresses daughter/son ends up (gasp!) getting a movie role. Without Daddy Gates' bankroll, Microsoft's game division probably would've been beat even by Sega (had they stayed in the game).
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That doesnt make any sense, should you as a consumer be happy that a company is willing to give you more for your money ?

You are looking at it the wrong way, almost as if you are just trying to find a way to hate. Besides the fact that MS had to fight their way into a closed market, how else could they succeed without spending lots of money? Really how else ?
 
Not especially, but then again, they havent actually shown anything they've done yet, so why would i be?
 
I'm impressed that they came out with the Xbox and kept it at the same price as the PS2. I'm also impressed that they were able to include a harddisk in there. Unfortunately, this might not be the case with Xbox 2/360 (superior power at the same price as the competition).

I'm not so impressed by the 3rd party support the Xbox has gotten (from Japan, mainly). Not sure if that is going to improve or get worse next gen.
 
There are only a handful of games that I want on the system, and the only stand-out title to me is Ninja Gaiden (even that is brought down by one of the worst cameras I've seen in years).

To be honest, I don't have a prejudice built up against western development teams - I just think they make games that don't happen to cater to my tastes. I would say about 85% of the games that manage to blow me away each generation are developed in the east. Xbox is basically a system that doesn't cater to what I need. From my perspective they have failed miserably, but I could understand how someone who loves western-devloped games would be all over it. It would only make sense, really.
 
I posted this a few days ago regarding Xenon vs PS3 and I think it fits in well here as well. Basically, I've been extremely impressed with how Microsoft has done, but only because most of us only had modest expectations. When you compare it historically to just about every other HW manufacturer out there, they've had the worst start of just about any first time manufacturer that actually did anything of note.

Atari - Led their generation by ALOT
Nintendo - Led successive generations, the first by ALOT, the second was much closer.
Sega - Probably the closest to Microsoft, if you consider the Xbox to be the Master system. The Genesis managed to almost get half of the market before it fell behind.
Sony - Led their generations by ALOT.
Microsoft - Is almost tied for second place, so far out of first, considering them any real success is a stretch.

sonycowboy said:
Because absolutely everyone is considering the Xbox to be an unqualified success, I'll play the devil's advocate. :D I'll definitely give props to Microsoft for:

1) Surpassing just about everyboy's expectations,
2) Having some truly great looking games and having the best hardware
3) Doing a killer job with Xbox Live
4) Really resonated in the US and has done very well.

Here's how Microsoft has failed:
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1) They've lost 3 billion dollars in 3 years.
2) They absolutely freaking bombed in Japan
3) Have completely pathetic Eastern support (goes hand-in-hand w/ #2)
3) They've only done moderately better in Europe. They're being crushed by the PS2 by over ~6-1 there.
4) In their best region, they've still been outsold ~3-1 in the US.
5) They've only managed 2 games selling greater than 1.5M in the US.
2, Halo and Halo 2. That's it. The PS2 has 29. You could say that Publishers are doing well with Microsoft, but that's about it. It's nice residual money once they've really made money off of the PS2. However, the fact is there have been very, very few BIG hits for the Xbox that have made a publisher tons of money. If you consider worldwide sales, it gets comparatively worse. The PS2 is publisher's sugar daddy.
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All of this being said, they are positioned to make some serious noise this next generation and I could see them being first if things line up for them. It would be a huge stretch, but they've got the resources to make it happen.
 
Love them or hate them , MS entry into the market affected this generation in significant ways, even if the number of consoles sold would seem otherwise.

-A lot of mostly top-tier PC only western developers started releasing games for the consoles (Bioware, Lionhead, Bungie, Epic etc.), which unfortunately hurt PC gaming as a whole (but very widespread piracy is to blame for that too) but brought new people into console gaming.
-They brought A LOT of money into gaming, funding new games/dev houses, as well as having a lot of advertising, which increase the overall exposure of gaming. More games are being sold now than ever.
-Cutting edge online service, as others have mentioned. It is really admirable that how smoothly it was pulled off. In services like this, the fact that nothing goes wrong is rarely appreciated, since it is taken for granted. It has close to 0% downtime, and provided that you have a decent connection, just plain and simply works. Some fuckups (exploits etc.) are due to lack of foresight individual developers and not due to live. Compare it to something like Steam for example and how many people had problems with it.
-They've upped the standards for development support to developers in significant ways.

Of course, they had their failures too:

-Very tough early days, with a lot of MGS titles but very few were actually of good quality, and those were niche (PDO). The quality of the exclusives increased significantly in 2003-2004.
-They put themselves in a corner for pricing having to buy the chips from nvidia/intel.
-Total failure in Japan, which lead to almost non existent japanase third party support.

But overall, I hope they stay and keep pouring money into the industry. It can only be good for us in the end, IMHO. I also hope both Sony and MS stay and competing. If someone wins for good, that's really bad for the industry as a whole I think (what happens to all the developers under MS or Sony's belt?).
 
android said:
What independant developers? I bet by two years into the next gen, there will be none. They are right now being bought up left right and center. It's sad but true
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Yes, this is true. This will lead to a considerable crash if it continues down this path. The gap between publishers and developers has grown so wide and this could start causing some serious problems.
 
sonycowboy said:
I posted this a few days ago regarding Xenon vs PS3 and I think it fits in well here as well. Basically, I've been extremely impressed with how Microsoft has done, but only because most of us only had modest expectations. When you compare it historically to just about every other HW manufacturer out there, they've had the worst start of just about any first time manufacturer that actually did anything of note.

Atari - Led their generation by ALOT
Nintendo - Led successive generations, the first by ALOT, the second was much closer.
Sega - Probably the closest to Microsoft, if you consider the Xbox to be the Master system. The Genesis managed to almost get half of the market before it fell behind.
Sony - Led their generations by ALOT.
Microsoft - Is almost tied for second place, so far out of first, considering them any real success is a stretch.



All of this being said, they are positioned to make some serious noise this next generation and I could see them being first if things line up for them. It would be a huge stretch, but they've got the resources to make it happen.
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So if you were to dismiss the ps2 sales for the year and a bit before xbox was released, how do they compare ?

Anyone who thought MS could come first after giving the competition such a head start is crazy. None of those consoles you listed had to deal with this sort of competition.
 
Ryudo said:
So if you were to dismiss the ps2 sales for the year and a bit before xbox was released, how do they compare ?
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They absolutely crushed them. Sony only sold 10M units the first year (6 months in the US, 12 months in Japan) and had 20M by the time Microsoft launched. So, they've outsold them 60M to 20M in comparable timeframes. And that's with selling another 20M PSOne's to boot. (Remember the PSOne actually outsold the GC in 2002 and maybe the Xbox, but I'm not completely sure)
 
Talking about MS' losses this generation seems like a really silly discussion in light of the fact that the Xbox friggin' rocks.

I don't think anyone would disagree that Nintendo's mistakes during the last 10 years have contributed to Sony's dominance in the gaming industry. So, it took Sony's own marketing knowhow/relations with developers + Nintendo's strategic blunders to put the console market where it was in 2000. (basically with a 70-30 margin in the console market)

These are facts. Now, some key questions remain.

A) Has Sony left as many holes for MS to penetrate the market as were available for Sony in 1995?

B) Has Sony slipped up enough for the average gamer to care about changing ships completely? (as Nintendo undoubtedly did)

C) Sega was unable to beat Nintendo's for two successive generations despite having better hardware, an earlier launch, and a generally older target market. Indeed, no company has ever had overwhelming luck against the market leader unless that leader was on a path to failure itself. So why would Sony lose?


Now, concerning MS, you have to ask yourself this.

A) Did Microsoft deliver a console with games that were truly next generation and unique in nature when compared to the PS2? Did these games reach a segment of the gaming market not previously reached by the PS2?

B) Is Microsoft's online service forward-thinking in nature in comparison with Sony's? Are Microsoft's tools for developers what the industry needs?

C) Did Microsoft's use of technology provide a view of gaming that Sony hadn't previously supplied? When a gamer looks at Dead or Alive 3, Halo 2, or Ninja Gaiden, is it really no different than looking at Metal Gear Solid 3, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and Gran Turismo 4? If so, MS succeeded in this regard. If not, it really makes no difference.





For my perspective, the Xbox has delivered the goods. It's a worthwhile system that just needs to be owned. And I think casual gamers generally agree, even if their reasons are only "It has Halo 2." Heck, that's good enough for me, because you can't play that (or any worthwhile FPS, one of the most popular genres) on another system.

*more marketing words to follow, warning kaching*

The Xbox is part adrenaline-pumping, PC power-driven monster and part funky, ambitious spirit. It doesn't overpresent the package because what's there is there in spades, and in-game.

Yes, the Xbox needs Eastern developers, a more refined first party portfolio, and perhaps a less Western-centric image, but for my money, the industry needs everything Microsoft has done right this generation.
 
Speevy said:
Talking about MS' losses this generation seems like a really silly discussion in light of the fact that the Xbox friggin' rocks.

I don't think anyone would disagree that Nintendo's mistakes during the last 10 years have contributed to Sony's dominance in the gaming industry. So, it took Sony's own marketing knowhow/relations with developers + Nintendo's strategic blunders to put the console market where it was in 2000. (basically with a 70-30 margin in the console market)

These are facts. Now, some key questions remain.

A) Has Sony left as many holes for MS to penetrate the market as were available for Sony in 1995?

B) Has Sony slipped up enough for the average gamer to care about changing ships completely? (as Nintendo undoubtedly did)

C) Sega was unable to beat Nintendo's for two successive generations despite having better hardware, an earlier launch, and a generally older target market. Indeed, no company has ever had overwhelming luck against the market leader unless that leader was on a path to failure itself. So why would Sony lose?


Now, concerning MS, you have to ask yourself this.

A) Did Microsoft deliver a console with games that were truly next generation and unique in nature when compared to the PS2? Did these games reach a segment of the gaming market not previously reached by the PS2?

B) Is Microsoft's online service forward-thinking in nature in comparison with Sony's? Are Microsoft's tools for developers what the industry needs?

C) Did Microsoft's use of technology provide a view of gaming that Sony hadn't previously supplied? When a gamer looks at Dead or Alive 3, Halo 2, or Ninja Gaiden, is it really no different than looking at Metal Gear Solid 3, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and Gran Turismo 4? If so, MS succeeded in this regard. If not, it really makes no difference.





For my perspective, the Xbox has delivered the goods. It's a worthwhile system that just needs to be owned. And I think casual gamers generally agree, even if their reasons are only "It has Halo 2." Heck, that's good enough for me, because you can't play that (or any worthwhile FPS, one of the most popular genres) on another system.

*more marketing words to follow, warning kaching*

The Xbox is part adrenaline-pumping, PC power-driven monster and part funky, ambitious spirit. It doesn't overpresent the package because what's there is there in spades, and in-game.

Yes, the Xbox needs Eastern developers, a more refined first party portfolio, and perhaps a less Western-centric image, but for my money, the industry needs everything Microsoft has done right this generation.
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:lol

Take it easy, get up off your knees, Bill needs to take a break.
 
sonycowboy said:
:lol

Take it easy, get up off your knees, Bill needs to take a break.
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Have some respect mate. Dont imply someone else is a cocksucker when your name is sonycowboy.
 
Ryudo said:
Have some respect mate. Dont imply someone else is a cocksucker when your name is sonycowboy.
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Take it easy. I was joking regarding the infommercial he was running. Did you read that? :lol
 
With the titles we already know that are in the works [and ones I personally know that aren't announced], and add Mistwalker, Xenon/Xbox2 is really shaping up to be a very good contender against the PS3.

And unless Sony has a solid online network strategy unlike the crap that was PS2, then they might as well start thinking now...
 
The best thing in my eyes is that Microsoft make SONY up their game in ways that Nintendo could never drive.

Game Tech benefits greatly, and that gets passed on to us.


Ryudo said:
Have some respect mate. Dont imply someone else is a cocksucker when your name is sonycowboy.
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wait wait...did you even read the post he's referring to? It was over the top in ways that Richard Simmons couldn't muster.
 
To answer the question, no. The deal with Myst Walker is interesting but I have no idea how those games will turn out. And there are only about 3-5 games I want on the Xbox. I'll probably get those when I'm done with my back log but I'm not in a hurry. :p


Amir0x said:
Plz! Nintendo fans have plenty of things to look forward to! Lots of developers like what Nintendo has to offer and it can only go up from here!

I mean, look at the outspring of Revolution support! We have that...Camelot RPG...and... uhhhhhh... we know that it's....well on the other hand certainly EA...wait, no they haven't yet...




...ok, but Nintendo and Namco forever! *runs*
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Yeah, because N-fans play and love NINTENDO consoles for 3rd party games.


Ryudo said:
I am a western man, and i for one love the xbox because its aimed at my interests as a gamer. I still enjoy japanese games, but not to the point where i diss my own culture.

I dont really care what flak i get for this point of view, because i am content knowing that i am not a fake ass japanese wannabe who dismisses great western games.

Some of the best games to be released ever have appeared on xbox.
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It's amazing how the Xbox is bringing out so many racist and morons in gamers. How the hell do you diss your own culture by playing (too much?) Japanese games? And what if those games are the ones one happens to like? Oh wait, you'd be a "Japanese wannabe" right -- Mind sharing what the fuck exactly is that? Just curious, do you also think Ann Coulter is a great woman. :lol
 
so its okay for sony to lose $50+ dollars on psp... but for a up-and-comer to lose $100 on each xbox it wrong?? the market leader loses money on each psp sold but you expect a newcomer not to lose money and compete? sony is doing exactly what MS is doing and yet only MS gets the hate. do you expect MS to compete with a system they broke even on and being the underdog with sony that might lose 50-100 bucks per system on? I'm sorry if i don't make sense.... but for a newcomer they are going to lose money the first few years....
 
I don't consider my praise of MS any different from sonycowboy's overly enthusiastic proclamations of Sony sales victories.

"We crushed them into the ground!"

Really, the Xbox is a stellar product to me. And I'll keep saying it is regardless of how insane some people may find it.
 
krypt0nian said:
The best thing in my eyes is that Microsoft make SONY up their game in ways that Nintendo could never drive.

Game Tech benefits greatly, and that gets passed on to us.
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The fact that they managed to capture a larger share of the console market than Nintendo impresses me. I thought Nintendo would be second this generation in terms of console sales.

However, I am disappointed they didn't spend their monopoly money on buying Nintendo or EA outright (or a controlling share of them) to produce software exclusively on the XBOX. I can understand in the case of Nintendo with Nintendo wanting to continue with the GameCube concurrently with the XBOX, but EA now that would have been a major coup. They can still buy EA can't they?
 
PS2 KID said:
However, I am disappointed they didn't spend their monopoly money on buying Nintendo or EA outright (or a controlling share of them) to produce software exclusively on the XBOX. I can understand in the case of Nintendo with Nintendo wanting to continue with the GameCube concurrently with the XBOX, but EA now that would have been a major coup. They can still buy EA can't they?
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
MS bid 25 billion for Nintendo. They've lost 3 billion this generation. I don't think buying a giant company outright is in the cards.
 
Scottlarock said:
so its okay for sony to lose $50+ dollars on psp... but for a up-and-comer to lose $100 on each xbox it wrong??
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Hmmm....

20M Xbox consoles loses 3Billion dollars = $150 lost per console and that's without including the money they make up through first party sales, and getting $10 for each and (just about about every) 3rd party game that could have given them profit or knowing how much the other divisions in the H&E division contributed profits (Mac Office is a serious money maker).

I'm not even going to say it's wrong, because it takes money to be in this game, but absolutely no other company in existance could absorb such losses and, in fact, no other VG manufacturer has ever lost so much money. Sega didn't even come close to losing this kind of money.
 
Speevy said:
I don't consider my praise of MS any different from sonycowboy's overly enthusiastic proclamations of Sony sales victories.

"We crushed them into the ground!"

Really, the Xbox is a stellar product to me. And I'll keep saying it is regardless of how insane some people may find it.
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1) I didn't say we. I might say that in conversations regarding the Cowboys (the second part of my name :D), but not about Sony.

2) I didn't proclaim they crushed them into the ground. I stated that head-to-head, since the Xbox launched Sony has crushed them in sales 60M to 20M. That sixty million is over twice what Xbox will end up selling in it's lifetime. Also, the PS2 will continue selling well into 2006 and has a possibility of selling well over 120M units in it's lifetime vs 30M for the Xbox.

I don't know what else you could call that except complete domination.

That is not saying that the PS2 is that much better than the Xbox, because that's clearly not the case. It's also not saying that Sony is much better than Microsoft because again, that's just not true.

What is true, however, is that Sony and the PS2 has dominated this generation like no other generation. The PSOne peaked out at 100M and only had 70M before the PS2 launched. The PS2 will easily make 100M by the time the PS3 comes out and who knows how many more they will sell afterwards.

Really, the PS2 is a completely dominating system to me. And I'll keep saying it is regardless of how insane some people may find it.
 
bitwise said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Hey now, I'm not joking! They can convince their shareholders that this would give them recurring profits year after year with EA or Nintendo's franchises, plus the swing in console sales would be immense. This would have been a better idea than giving those profits back to the shareholders.
 
Reanimated said:
VERY impressed. I mean how could you not be impressed with a first time console company that strolls along and knocks Nintendo off in the US?
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I don't think Microsoft had much to do with Nintendo's shortcomings this generation, unless they were somehow responsible for the GameCube's horrible image problems.

To answer the question: I am impressed that Microsoft managed to overcome the incredible bias and hatred that most of the gaming community initially held against them, yes (remember the first showing of Xbox software? Good lord, it was not a good time to be an Xbot). Xbox Live and some of their better exclusives are also of note.

But I also think that soundwave05 put it well when he made the analogy to a rich, well-connected person getting a movie role. It might even turn out that the person can act a little, maybe better than most people thought, but is it really that impressive that they got there in the first place?

Contrary to what many people believe, I think Microsoft would've found a similar level of success this gen even without Halo -- they would've simply continued spending money until they got the right game. To me, that particular part of the story of the Xbox is decidedly unimpressive.
 
I'm not really impressed with Microsoft or their Xbox. Actually, I'm not really impressed with any of the systems this gen.

But, I am impressed with the fact that Microsoft has sold the Xenon/360 to me already. What sold me? XNA. I know it seems stupid, but I can see most of PC developers jumping on board and providing their games for both Xenon/360 and PC at the same time. I don't have much in terms of money, so it is very hard to upgrade my PC. Having the potential support of Blizzard and the like on the Xenon really excites me. Also, they've got Silicon Knights and Factor 5 on board now. This to me is an instant sell. But the icing on the cake is the MistWalker deal. Maybe, just maybe, this will open the eyes of Japanese developers.

To be totally honest, I've really lost interest in Japanese games. I can't believe I just typed that, but it's true. I was discussing this with my brother just the other day, and the games I have the fondest memories of were all PC games. Lucasarts Adventure games, RTS games, old FPS', and RPG's. For me, this is what the Xbox/Xenon reminds me of.

I'm not putting down the PS3/Revolution, but so far I'm not sold. I really need to see what each offers before I put down the money on these two.
 
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