My initial reaction to the first couple of pages is that you have a suspiciously low number of shitposts
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Arkham Asylum Mafia |OT| It's time to kill the Bat
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My initial reaction to the first couple of pages is that you have a suspiciously low number of shitposts
Zippedpinhead
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Welcome CCS! Enjoy your stay at arkham!
I'm leaning faddy as my vote today, leaning not voting yet though. I'm pretty sure fat4all is town so these two scrapping in the posts and, like mazre said (who I am pretty convinced is town) I have been getting vibes that they are playing similar games. With those two things, I feel faddy is more likely scum .
Not throwing my vote on there yet because of the two lynches, we need to be careful on how we vote.
I'm leaning faddy as my vote today, leaning not voting yet though. I'm pretty sure fat4all is town so these two scrapping in the posts and, like mazre said (who I am pretty convinced is town) I have been getting vibes that they are playing similar games. With those two things, I feel faddy is more likely scum .
Not throwing my vote on there yet because of the two lynches, we need to be careful on how we vote.
Why do we need to be careful of how we vote? Today is the day that doesn't matter since majority is turned off.
I almost want to vote CCS on the basis that Star couldn't handle being scum and dropped.
I've seen him tunnel before, but some of his reads and posts just seem incoherent and unjustified.
Also don't like Terra, but reserving judgement until I see Flame post.
I'm worried about acohrs, he's playing too sensibly.
I want to vote MickD though. I like a drunk post as much as anyone but if he's not going to post at all while sober then he's completely useless. Since the worst outcome is lynching a useless town I want to lynch him today.
Suspicious but not strongly scum reading yet Fat4all. Want a bit more time to look at him in isolation.
VOTE: MickD
I want to vote MickD though. I like a drunk post as much as anyone but if he's not going to post at all while sober then he's completely useless. Since the worst outcome is lynching a useless town I want to lynch him today.
Suspicious but not strongly scum reading yet Fat4all. Want a bit more time to look at him in isolation.
VOTE: MickD
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DAY 2 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Faddy (2)
Flame_AC 937
Timeaisis 996
SexyFish (2)
batsnacks 967
acohrs 995
AbsolutBro (1)
Sorian 892
Fat4all (1)
Faddy 1038
MickD (1)
SexyFish 970 1110
CCS 1158
Dr. Worm (1)
Natiko 1100
Natiko (0):Faddy 918 1038
Flame_AC (0):batsnacks 958 967
No active vote for Day 2: AbsolutBro, Dr. Worm, Fat4all, Fireblend, Lone_Prodigy, Mazre, MickD, Nudull, Penguin, Royal_Flush, SexyFish (has previously voted), Verelios, Zippedpinhead
Day 2 Postcount: AbsolutBro 7, acohrs 19, batsnacks 28, CCS 7, Dr. Worm 20, Faddy 23, Fat4all 48, Fireblend 3, Flame_AC 20, Lone_Prodigy 1, Mazre 4, MickD 0, Natiko 17, Nudull 6, Penguin 5, Royal_Flush 9, SexyFish 14, Sorian 26, Timeaisis 2, Verelios 13, Zippedpinhead 7
Day 2 ends:
Automated vote tally here
Faddy (2)
Flame_AC 937
Timeaisis 996
SexyFish (2)
batsnacks 967
acohrs 995
AbsolutBro (1)
Sorian 892
Fat4all (1)
Faddy 1038
MickD (1)
CCS 1158
Dr. Worm (1)
Natiko 1100
Natiko (0):
Flame_AC (0):
No active vote for Day 2: AbsolutBro, Dr. Worm, Fat4all, Fireblend, Lone_Prodigy, Mazre, MickD, Nudull, Penguin, Royal_Flush, SexyFish (has previously voted), Verelios, Zippedpinhead
Day 2 Postcount: AbsolutBro 7, acohrs 19, batsnacks 28, CCS 7, Dr. Worm 20, Faddy 23, Fat4all 48, Fireblend 3, Flame_AC 20, Lone_Prodigy 1, Mazre 4, MickD 0, Natiko 17, Nudull 6, Penguin 5, Royal_Flush 9, SexyFish 14, Sorian 26, Timeaisis 2, Verelios 13, Zippedpinhead 7
Day 2 ends:
Automated vote tally here
Zippedpinhead
Member
Honestly I'm worried about scum coming in at the last second and throwing their "random" votes on our third place or even fourth place vote getter and throwing us all off.
AbsolutBro
Member
Wait, what?
That's fair, but I was mobile posting and my vote came 5 minutes before deadline. I wanted to wait until this day phase to bring it up, but I didn't really want to sling an essentially random vote either.
Not necessarily? I mean, I'm not ready to hand them town badges, but not being a townread doesn't automatically make them a scrumread either?
Mazre- Unless we're beating the inactivity horse on D1, I'm not sure what's scummy here. He tosses his opinions on Lifeline/Terra, and Dr. Worm fairly late, sure. Scummy? Nah. Unless we're already jumping on 'inactive = scum' for D1, I see nothing scummy.
Batsnacks - His Kalor vote early on may look bad in retrospect, until you remember it was a few hours into D1 and almost certainly not a final vote. (Kalor's only 'exchange' was with Sorian, though it's funny both batsnacks AND Faddy put down votes based on it.) This post is also a little strange "2/2 people who gave reads on Kalor are voting for Kalor", except, he never gave a read on Kalor and Splinter's vote came on this post, which Kalor later clarified. Neither one really had much of a "read", ESPECIALLY Batsnacks whose vote, if serious, was still based on the early Sorian/Kalor interaction. He even triples down on it when SexyFish votes Kalor on "intuition", which doesn't make
okay, yeah, you got me here. early on batsnacks seems really scummy and opportunisitic. will try to get a reread of later D1 and D2 to see if the pattern holds.
Natiko - Honestly I think Natiko is probably one of our best "new" players. I've played with both scum and town Natiko (both games I was scum I think), and I found it impossible to find a tell in Natiko's game.
That said, while I was not really a fan of the immediate jump natiko and many others did on Terra for the lifeline thing, it is at least understandable in the context of an otherwise quiet game with little game-action contradiction until then. Natiko has stuck with the reads posted for the most part and continues to hunt and call out. Given our previously mentioned game history, I cannot see this as scum or town read, just a Natiko read.
Kalor - now dead, but I never really got why the vote on him picked up traction in the first place. It feels like anyone who really "sided" with (read: did not immediately jump on) Lifeline or Terra was suddenly scumread. It made no sense then, it makes no sense now.
So other than my really bad reread of Batsnacks yesterday, none of the them really jumped scum to me. But given Batsnacks was, in the end, never really a serious contender, I stand by my previous vote.
What have I missed that lead us down that narrow pathway?
AbsolutBro
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Can you put in context why this applies to CCS but not Flame? Is it just that Terra's drop was more public?
At this point we're early enough that I'm not sure we should read anything into either drop. Both players certainly have time to make their own defenses (or demises I suppose).
I would call this an effort post against me but clearly it is a no effort post since you never get past the few pages of the game.
Yes there is a lot of jokes, shade and fluff thrown about in the very early game.
a lot of people thinking you're scum
I was thinking you might be a few pages back, but now I'm not so sure
I don't think Star has ever been scum and almost always makes it through all of her games even if she tends to be very low activity. I always wondered how she would handle being scum since that is, typically, higher pressure for people. This logic would make no sense for Terra who has been scum before and imo is more comfortable playing in the scum role than the town role.
that's quite a few hypotheticals
Your vote on Faddy was literally saying he was throwing shade day 1, therefore vote. Not that he's scum, not that he's suspicious, but that he was mostly worthless to town, I'd like to say 20 to 30 minutes to day end, where you're the ONLY vote on him. I don't understand how you can reconcile a vote for him but not for any of the others in contention, where you could probably cook up any number of shitpost/worthless/suspicious allegations instead of standing to the side doing nothing.
That's one hypothetical.
In a game built on hypotheticals.
I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to get at.
Throwing shade without placing down votes is literally scumtell 101. I don't even feel like I'm defending AB by saying that. It is straight one of the best things to look for especially when hunting newbie scum. That's not a "worthless to town" behavior.
Zippedpinhead
Member
vote: Faddy [/highlght]
I gotta put my money where my mouth is. I think you are scum Faddy
I gotta put my money where my mouth is. I think you are scum Faddy
Zippedpinhead
Member
Epic fail
vote: Faddy
vote: Faddy
I find it funny you would reveal your "role" so early in a hypothetical, batsnacks.
OK, here we go:
Faddy - Fat4all's Faddy theory is decent, but not great. My vote is on Faddy, and I do continue to have that sneaking scum suspicion from him, but Faddy's argument has not really pushed me over the edge. My vote remains for now because, as others have said, today is kind of a scattershot of possible candidates.
Dr. Worm - I don't see it. Bats seems to be the big one gunning for this. Sure, Worm's play is a little strange (who's isn't in this game), but it doesn't stand out as being much to go off.
Batsnacks - He was playing pretty normally (for batsnacks) yetserday, but today he seems to be tunneling hard on Worm, for whatever reason. Like I said, I have a pretty neutral read on worm, and I can't really see the connection. Which is fine, opinions, and all that, but bats is pushing pretty hard and also we've got this casual vig soft claim thing going on...for whatever reason.
Fat4All - Like I said, good not great argument for a Faddy vote today. Enough to keep me on there for the moment. Although, it does seem that they are going at eachother pretty good here.
Sorian - Sorian seems extremely neutral this game. Like, extremely neutral. Pointing out obvious mistakes people are making, playing very evenly, not taking explicit sides. Sorian is level headed normally, but this seems a little much, even for him. Dunno what that means, but just an observation.
Zipped - Seems a little bandwagony. Yesterday was Lifeline, today was Faddy. Interesting to note, their votes align with mine. But other than that, not much to go on.
Sexy Fish - Seems super bandwagony to me, and has some strange logic for how to place his votes, as outlined by bats.
acohrs - Still a bad feeling in general. A lot less activity than yesterday, for whatever that's worth.
All for now.
Faddy - Fat4all's Faddy theory is decent, but not great. My vote is on Faddy, and I do continue to have that sneaking scum suspicion from him, but Faddy's argument has not really pushed me over the edge. My vote remains for now because, as others have said, today is kind of a scattershot of possible candidates.
Dr. Worm - I don't see it. Bats seems to be the big one gunning for this. Sure, Worm's play is a little strange (who's isn't in this game), but it doesn't stand out as being much to go off.
Batsnacks - He was playing pretty normally (for batsnacks) yetserday, but today he seems to be tunneling hard on Worm, for whatever reason. Like I said, I have a pretty neutral read on worm, and I can't really see the connection. Which is fine, opinions, and all that, but bats is pushing pretty hard and also we've got this casual vig soft claim thing going on...for whatever reason.
Fat4All - Like I said, good not great argument for a Faddy vote today. Enough to keep me on there for the moment. Although, it does seem that they are going at eachother pretty good here.
Sorian - Sorian seems extremely neutral this game. Like, extremely neutral. Pointing out obvious mistakes people are making, playing very evenly, not taking explicit sides. Sorian is level headed normally, but this seems a little much, even for him. Dunno what that means, but just an observation.
Zipped - Seems a little bandwagony. Yesterday was Lifeline, today was Faddy. Interesting to note, their votes align with mine. But other than that, not much to go on.
Sexy Fish - Seems super bandwagony to me, and has some strange logic for how to place his votes, as outlined by bats.
acohrs - Still a bad feeling in general. A lot less activity than yesterday, for whatever that's worth.
All for now.
If I'm shot N2, we know where to look
You're telling me no one else was throwing shade without putting down a vote yesterday? Come on Sorian, even if I agree that it's scum tell 101 Faddy wasn't getting lynched yesterday. What point was there to vote for him 30 minutes to day end? You can't just say it was a reasonable vote in a vacuum.
AbsolutBro
Member
Thanks, a bit meta, but I can see the logic.
No, I'm saying that spending the early game throwing very accusatory shade is a gut-scumread to me. I apologize if that wasn't completely clear. As for the rest, my vote came quite literally 5 minutes for day's end, not 20-30 minutes, and I've already gone over why I didn't have the same issues with the others (barring Batsnacks) that I had with Faddy.
AbsolutBro
Member
6:55 PM
5 minutes, not 20-30 as you have said twice now. You are trying to create a context that does not exist.
Time for Reads List v2
Top Town
1. Flame_AC - I can't look past how Terra votes played out. Shown a bit of awareness not being taken by people trying to sway him
2. Acohrs - a new entry to the chart! Quiet day 2 but still giving me good feelings about his play
3. Sorian - Hanging onto a top 3 spot mainly due to other players scumminess/inactivity.
Top Scum
1. Fat4all - Accused of sly votes and coasting, after 1 argument he is straight back to shitposting
2. Natiko - I liked his Dr Worm post but I think that was a calculated attack, day 1 stink not going away
3. AbsolutBro - His most recent posts are making reads from posts made in the first few hours of the game. Looking for easy reads based off early loose play. Why couldn't you do this on day 1?
4. Royal Flush - yeah I'm on to you buddy.
Top Town
1. Flame_AC - I can't look past how Terra votes played out. Shown a bit of awareness not being taken by people trying to sway him
2. Acohrs - a new entry to the chart! Quiet day 2 but still giving me good feelings about his play
3. Sorian - Hanging onto a top 3 spot mainly due to other players scumminess/inactivity.
Top Scum
1. Fat4all - Accused of sly votes and coasting, after 1 argument he is straight back to shitposting
2. Natiko - I liked his Dr Worm post but I think that was a calculated attack, day 1 stink not going away
3. AbsolutBro - His most recent posts are making reads from posts made in the first few hours of the game. Looking for easy reads based off early loose play. Why couldn't you do this on day 1?
4. Royal Flush - yeah I'm on to you buddy.
...I don't know why you'd think 5 minutes before day end would be better when it's pretty much conformed Faddy was a dead vote. And there's no context, I apologize if you think there was but I just remembered the time frame of your vote and not exactly when it was.
AbsolutBro
Member
Because with 5 minutes left, I didn't really have time to gather a full argument (especially trying to multi-quote on mobile) but wanted to get a vote down to avoid the inevitable "no vote = #scumtell" that usually pops up.
With 20-30 minutes I would have gathered a full argument, and expected anyone else to have been able to do so.
I also do not understand this "if you're not on one of the two vote leaders you're wasting a vote" mentality that seems to proliferate this game. Nothing requires me or any other player to be on any of the leading trains, come day end. Whether your not someone else considers my vote "wasted" is absolutely immaterial to me, and where my vote goes.
Who's your top town reads, Time?
You're the only one whose seemed to accuse me of those thing, Faddy-Jim.
You're manipulative twisting of my post history is fascinating, Faddy. As I've said before, I'm not below a good shitpost, but you seemed to be focused on painting me primarily as a shitposter, while I'm clearly not. 'One argument', lol. I was in the most of the serious conversations yesterday.
Revisionists history.
Flame_AC and Nakito, I think. Regardless of how I felt about Terra, Flame AC has been nothing but towny today. I chalk Terra yesterday to him trying to make some kind of move, that didn't work.
Verelios is neutral leaning town, but again, hard to say. Almost everyone feels slightly scummy at this point.
This strikes me as a very odd proposition to bring up. You've already debated me over my theory, but you haven't questioned or poked Faddy for much information at all.
Are you saying this just because Faddy has a slight lead in votes, or are you actually considering it?
I don't need poked for an opinion where as you are keeping your thoughts very closed.
So far you have scum read me and not much else.
(and the not much else is trying to muddy the situation with Terra/Flame)
The whole idea that trying to read whether a player is neutral or town seems like a wasted endeavour tbh. What tells do you look for in a neutral player?
'What tells do you look for' seems redundant to say. If I feel like there's no obvious lean to town or scum, they land on neutral.
The reason why I'm confused is exactly because, as you said, there was too little time for an argument to be made so your vote on someone who no one else voted for looked like self-preservation. When you're voting to preemptively stop people from scum reading you by using a throwaway vote (my own admission, this is debatable) then what's the point of having votes at day end? It obviously wasn't in hopes of finding scum. I'm vaguely sure it wasn't pre-meditated. It could've been addressed in another post.
And anyway, when you're not on the topic discussion...or on any discussions then yes, you're effectively wasting a vote when you could be making a case for scum. And as for not being on a leading train, that's whatever, I'm not policing anything, but you're going to have to understand how people that always stay on the sidelines look to me, and that it's my opinion that, that stance is garbage.