Honestly? No.Seriously though, can we agreed to policy lynch Micky today if he only drunk posts again?
Honestly? It feels more like an OMGUS thought train than anything else. Certainly nothing I would follow to "100% scum".SexyFish goes from never mentioning Dr. Worm once in the game, to "would hop on a worm train."
Then SexyFish tries to justify this AFTER THE FACT, as in after he realized he made a mistake.
Why does SexyFish think Dr. Worm is mafia?
This is the vote SexyFish is referring to, it is from very early on day 1:
Then SexyFish tries to divert to MickD. Does anyone else think trying to engage MickD is a productive use of time? SexyFish chooses to divert to MickD because he knows MickD probably isn't around.
You have been pushing this agenda all day that only me or fat is a viable lynch. You are clearly trying to shut down discussion on other targets.
VOTE: Dr. Worm
There you go SexyFish, still think Worm can't be lynched today?
Seriously though, can we agreed to policy lynch Micky today if he only drunk posts again?
Also lol @ the idea that we'll all amicably agree to which two players will be lynched. Specially if we pretend that one of those will be MickD or some other policy lynch. How are we going to set that up? Who'll volunteer votes they could use on their scum targets to lynch an inactive instead?
I think you should move your vote off of MickD CCS. It doesn't help anyone, out of Fat/Faddy who do you think is more likely to be scum? In other words, where's an actual vote going. MickD doesn't help anything.
We have a day left and two possible lynches, there's not much point in hurrying people at this time since votes are fluid.I think you should move your vote off of MickD CCS. It doesn't help anyone, out of Fat/Faddy who do you think is more likely to be scum? In other words, where's an actual vote going. MickD doesn't help anything.
You have been pushing this agenda all day that only me or fat is a viable lynch. You are clearly trying to shut down discussion on other targets.
I'll throw my hat in, too.
VOTE: Faddy
Hmm, this is a strange position to see. I had been reading both Faddy and Worm as scum leaning to an extent (Faddy with my theory earlier, and Worm with, what I felt, was an awkward and forced attempt to brush it away), but Faddy going after Worm in this manner is very direct.
I'm a bit surprised to see that Faddy taking Worm to point on Worms constant pokes in trying to swell up a Faddy/Fat4all lynch as we close in on the last 24 hours. This could be a move to separate himself from Worm directly, but with a double lynch this seems very risky for a pair of scum to do. I doubt the scum team would intentionally try to put their cohorts into a situation where there's a large chance at one of them being lynched, and I don;t buy into the idea that they would decide to let a fellow scum to be lynched by mid-day. Maybe if it was towards the end of the day and there was no avoiding what would be an obvious attempt to save a fellow scum.
Gonna have to ponder on this Faddy/Worm situation a bit more.
So you think they're just 2 townies going at each other because of misplaced suspicions? Any thoughts on my post at the top of the page? Thoughts on SF?
Fat is going nowhere. No one has a vote on him and other than me who has put some accusations his way the rest of you have only seen fit to throw shade and not follow through.
So start thinking and stop falling into the trap that you think a decision about lynches have been made. You know actually play Mafia instead of looking for the easy way out.
I'm not certain that one of Fat and Faddy are scum, but I suspect them both so I think it's likely there's scum there.
Fat what do you think about the pushing of your lynch as almost inevitable when you only had 1 vote?
Mazre: Apart from what has to be the most useless readslist I've seen in quite some time, there were basically two other points made: Worm is Scum and with even distribution of Scum we should go after the smaller group of people because it's easier to find Scum there (which I, just for reference, think is pretty much nonsense). Useless person or Scum.
For reference, today's day 1 votes and the day 1 votes of the last two games I was in (plus markup including scum teams). There's no guarantee that our game has a similar spread but as a starting point for narrowing where I'm going to spend a limited amount of time investigating I don't think it's crazy.
Yes, you wanted to de-escalate just as I said. Reason - you're both scum.I wanted to de-escalate w/ dog, hence lack of vote
Nullread him up until now, lean scum currently but still undecided this early
May not be able to go in-depth tomorrow, but should be able to address before EOD if questions persist
You know who else would think hopping on either train is bad? Scum. Why pick one town over another as scum and later have to worry about justifying it when you can just sit on the sidelines and let us kill each other.I didn't like either vote, so I didn't vote for them. That simple. Lifeline looked like someone tunneling like crazy, Terra got called out for humoring him. They were both bad votes to me. And given the last minute almost tie we had, you throwing "it could have been a tie without your vote!" is some serious editorializing. We could have just as easily CAUSED a vote by throwing into that mess.
I don't think you've said, and I don't think anyone else has asked so I will: any reason you not have a vote last day phase?
Guess we know acorn's alignment now. Scum.CCS reporting in.
Will read through thread this afternoon, start posting this evening.
acohrs is town
Do you think a scum Faddy would double down on his tunnel of me or back off some when it wasn't really gaining momentum? I'm not sure I've been particularly swayed by any of the arguments against Faddy so far, which is surprising given it was hard to not just OMGUS him for what I felt were poor arguments.I've seen him tunnel before, but some of his reads and posts just seem incoherent and unjustified.
Also don't like Terra, but reserving judgement until I see Flame post.
You make a strong point regarding SexyFish and Fat. My main hesitation is that I still strongly read Dr. Worm and Fat as scum. Not particularly convinced that all three could actually pan out as scum though, seems too easy. I would probably go Worm > Fat > Fish as far as who I have strongest feelings on.Alright, I'm all caught up. I re-read all of day 2 so far and I see it's been mostly dominated by Faddy and Fat4all with some Dr. Worm and Batsnacks sprinkled in there.
I'm not sold entirely on a Faddy vote but I think there's been enough discussion that it could help point us in the right direction if it ends up like that. What I'm driving at is that some people seem a little too invested on a Faddy lynch; what are the chances that both SexyFish and Fat4all saw Faddy's "support"/"humoring" of Lifeline as him using LL as a shield?
Couldn't stop thinking about the coincidence after reading those two posts, pretty close to each other. Feels like I missed part of the conversation with SF agreeing with Faddy and as a result makes SF's post seem like it was "workshopped" IMO and it's making me lean more towards those two as scum partners than faddy.
Then again there's some people also throwing halfhearted shade in Faddy's direction like AB which is I think a nice cozy spot for scum to hide in.
Another thing I'm curious about is Sorian's insistence on us doing a policy lynch + regular "suspicious player" lynch this round. Seems like an active scum team would benefit from this by lowering the chances of getting lynched and score an easy inactive lynch that ends up saving them some trouble. Just a thought that I thought was worth mentioning because I noticed him proposing them several times today.
Mazre's read list seemed pretty pointless. I think all of value was some shade towards Acohrs that Acohrs' replied to with a gif but led nowhere. NuDull, MickD and Penguin I just haven't noticed beyond a couple hellos here and there. CCS seems like they're a bit more on board and I have a more positive feel towards.
More thoughts soon-ish. I just spent like half my day reading those pages.
No, and I'm surprised to see you say this when you and acorn have goofed your way through games before without being particularly helpful. Pushing a policy lynch just gives scum an easy way to vote for a townie that can't later be easily scrutinized. D1 is a better time for it, not now when we have more information to work with. If this ended up happening I would be highly suspicious of everyone on that vote.Seriously though, can we agreed to policy lynch Micky today if he only drunk posts again?
If Worm ends up not being an option but more people feel strongly about Fat I would switch. Worm just seems both scummier to me of the two.Fat is going nowhere. No one has a vote on him and other than me who has put some accusations his way the rest of you have only seen fit to throw shade and not follow through.
So start thinking and stop falling into the trap that you think a decision about lynches have been made. You know actually play Mafia instead of looking for the easy way out.
But 2/7 > 1/5. That majorly defeats your point.
For reference, today's day 1 votes and the day 1 votes of the last two games I was in (plus markup including scum teams). There's no guarantee that our game has a similar spread but as a starting point for narrowing where I'm going to spend a limited amount of time investigating I don't think it's crazy.
You make a strong point regarding SexyFish and Fat. My main hesitation is that I still strongly read Dr. Worm and Fat as scum. Not particularly convinced that all three could actually pan out as scum though, seems too easy. I would probably go Worm > Fat > Fish as far as who I have strongest feelings on.
Interesting sequence....
You're telling me no one else was throwing shade without putting down a vote yesterday? Come on Sorian, even if I agree that it's scum tell 101 Faddy wasn't getting lynched yesterday. What point was there to vote for him 30 minutes to day end? You can't just say it was a reasonable vote in a vacuum.
Oh and I find it interesting that nobody (except Flame, who this post was addressed to) caught or addressed this slip:
Not sure how that potentially fits with anything and R_F later was puzzled himself at how nobody caught it before but I've messed up names while playing as scum before so that jumped out at me
Can we talk about MickD guys?
Anyone who hasn't posted except for while drunk in almost two days of play is either scum or so useless to town that we may as well get the lynch out of the way on a day with two lynches.
I think the MickD lynch doesn't help anyone.
What information is it possibly going to give us? Everyone here is probably fine with having him killed / swapped out, so why not just wait for a potential switch out or let the scum deal with it? If we're going to be doing the double lynch, then I'd rather us at least get some useful information out of it.
btw, this "CCS is Scum because Star couldn't withstand the pressure" argument is probably the most disgusting and unfair thing I've ever encountered in Gafia. Problem is that it's true. Now, I refuse to vote CCS for that (and I hope everyone else does too), but I have to admit, he might have to work a bit harder for those Townie points.
If MickD, post rushes again, he should absolutely be one of the lynches today. A double lynch provides the opportunity to deal with shit like this. Lynches aren't "for information" they are for killing scum. You say everyone is probably fine with having him killed yet you, yourself, continue to divert us away from it when anyone brings it up.
To CCS, play the actual game and stop pointing out obvious things, thanks.
Disagree. You think MickD is scum? If he's gonna drop in and drunk post, he should prob be replaced or mod zapped. Wasting an opportunity (as y'all see it at least) to get rid of two more likely scum targets is way better. Basically, MickD voters are scummy.
Personally I haven't seen anything that makes me feel like they couldn't be scum partners still. I do agree though that Fish looks bad and that it's highly unlikely all three are scum. I think what hangs me up on Fish is I don't have any frame of reference on whether they'd play this fast and loose as scum. I know Fat and Worm can pull off a good scum game so their concerns stick out as stronger to me. My vote will almost certainly be on Worm or Fat at day end depending on everyone else's votes barring something causing a change in my perception.I'd be interested to know if that Dr.Worm & Fat as scum partners stands after the few pages you are (maybe?) still catching up on. I don't really see it (mostly because I'm obviously leaning towards Fat and SF as partners as I said in the post you're quoting).
And to Faddy, why is the sequence interesting?
Zipped throws that I am scum but wants to be careful with his vote
You give out the warning that throwing around accusations and not following up with a vote is scum 101
Then immediately Zipped comes in with a vote for me.
Also the vote was against me so I thought I would ding him and see how he responded.
Zipped hasn't posted since.
For anyone that played with Mazre in the games he's posting spreadsheets from - did he ever post screen caps of them in those games?
Long Live RetroMG, Magnanimous ruler of Gafia
Fair, if anything its off because this is reasoning from forever ago, there are new things today.
I believe he did, yes.
Worm is a huge jerk for voting me at EOD and is v lucky I didn't shoot him last night but I think town.
Literally this morning.
Small thing and probably not all that helpful, but just to confirm you didn't shoot one of the victims last night did you? I know it's somewhat implied but if you wouldn't mind confirming that'd be nice.
(I didn't shoot Kalor or splinter
but I thought about shooting worm on principle. I'm not faking this.)
from earlier in the day
bats been going heavy handed in their roleclaim
No, the you throwing shade without action thing was a theme of early day 1. I have different issues with you now, personally.
Welcome CCS! Enjoy your stay at arkham!
I'm leaning faddy as my vote today, leaning not voting yet though. I'm pretty sure fat4all is town so these two scrapping in the posts and, like mazre said (who I am pretty convinced is town) I have been getting vibes that they are playing similar games. With those two things, I feel faddy is more likely scum .
Not throwing my vote on there yet because of the two lynches, we need to be careful on how we vote.
Throwing shade without placing down votes is literally scumtell 101. I don't even feel like I'm defending AB by saying that. It is straight one of the best things to look for especially when hunting newbie scum. That's not a "worthless to town" behavior.
vote: Faddy [/highlght]
I gotta put my money where my mouth is. I think you are scum Faddy
It might have been a theme of day 1 but the sequence was recent
11:49am
2:39pm
2:47pm
---
What is your issue with me?
I didn't say the larger pile is better than the smaller pile, I said that if Scum are evenly distributed it doesn't matter which pile you pick.In contrast, the 1/4 > 1/5 in that second game.
I don't know, I never made a habit of voting early. Kind of sub-optimal play, I guess... Fish, Nudull, Mazre, AB and Zipped are all options I could get behind.I remember Royal_Flush posting some of the more compelling stuff posted earlier this phase. His scum reads, absolut and zipped, have both had spotlight. I think it's weird he hasn't voted.
Is this only based on my theory, or do you have other irks with Faddy?
I'm aware of the post I made this morning before going to sleep, thank you. Again, I was not talking about what Zipped did, I was talking about my own thoughts on the reasoning of the vote.
You are still weirding me out by starting the game by throwing shade at me and since then basically being my lapdog and agreeing with almost anything. You even gave me some weird wink/nudge thing when I pointed this out the first time on day 1 saying you figured I knew what was going on which i still have no idea what you mean.
Past that, today, you seem to be going to tunnels I just don't agree with which is why I said the almost in the lines above. Natiko springs to mind because I've been trying to follow your argument and it just looks made up. I'm not really scum reading Natiko anyway but it isn't even an issue of just disagreeing, it's that I don't see any logical thread.
So I still have 0 Sorian points?
SexyFish, you're new, right? How does it feel being co-voteleader?
So you didn't agree with my Natiko read fair enough. What did you think about Fireblend (and *Splinter RIP) putting his vote there?
And if I am actively "tunnelling" onto people you don't think are scum how does that make me your lapdog? Because I town-read you?