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[Natiko]

AB pseudo-claiming after one vote seems weird to me even after his recent posts; I'd called it arbitrary before but that was when I didn't fully remember the context. How is one vote threatening enough for that? Could be scum prematurely pulling some plan at the minimal pressure but that's a real stretch. Should read through his previous posts and make up my mind.

acohrs saying they don't want to provide a new read list because they made a shit one in D1 is obtuse to say the least.

L_P's summary claim list above is like trying really hard to find something to post about.

I don't like Natiko's tone when he says we shouldn't lynch him because the game would grind to a halt. Game's slow but that's some shitty logic.

About Faddy, I never really got where the votes on him came from and I feel like the people who are sticking with that lynch are worth looking into because how easily they could justify it by it being some "unresolved lead" from yesterday or something.



These aren't really thoughts. You just seem to stay on the sidelines all the time with no real opinion on anything =|

vote: Nudull

My thoughts are really scattered right now but I'm super busy and have to go to my weekly DnD session tonight so I want to have a vote somewhere and probably try again tomorrow when I'll be working from home and have more time.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

You know what screw it. If I am going down I might as well go down swinging. Back to my first target

VOTE: Natiko

I see his posts are now couching support for me because i am the obvious target for today. I feel the same for Sorian. Why are you guys so protective? Is it a good read that I am scum because I didn't get lynched yesterday, maybe but I don't see how anyone can be out there giving defensive posts of my play without some sort of insider information.

I have never scum read you, the closest I came was D1 but even that was a null. By D2, prior to you appearing to be a lynch candidate, I was town reading you. You're just trying to find a narrative to keep your read on me going, but like I said before you're tunneling and it will only result in a mislynch. I also didn't get defensive over those calling you scum - instead I wanted to see them show their work on why to figure out if they were scum trying to push an agenda.

 

[Faddy]

I think you have me confused with someone else.


I have never scum read you, the closest I came was D1 but even that was a null. By D2, prior to you appearing to be a lynch candidate, I was town reading you. You're just trying to find a narrative to keep your read on me going, but like I said before you're tunneling and it will only result in a mislynch. I also didn't get defensive over those calling you scum - instead I wanted to see them show their work on why to figure out if they were scum trying to push an agenda.

OK Scumtiko you have me convinced.

 

[Mazre]

I don't buy Flush's claim. Verelios is not lying. Don't have much else to add on overnight.

I meant to post something yesterday but time got away from me. I'm a little surpised this hasn't been poked at more. What was the purpose behind offering confirmation for Verelios? We all would've gotten that regardless once Ver voted.

It implies either

1. You were responsible for it.

or

2. You had some way of communicating with Ver or the person who gave Ver the double vote.

I fail to see the town benefit in revealing either of these pieces of information. At best it's poor town play, at worst it's scum trying to set up some cover.

 

[Sorian]

Right. Maybe my argument against Natiko giving a questionable defence of me is better applied against you who was giving me scum looks yesterday.

What has changed in your mind that I am unlikely to be scum

You realize the thing you quoted is the answer to your question right? I was leaning scum on you at the beginning of day 2, then fell away from that completely once I went back and read parts of day 1 with Splinter and Kalor's death in mind. If this was a new opinion I wouldn't have been trying to shore up a different lynch target yesterday since I didn't/don't think you or Worm were scum.

Sorian votes for Bronx, how predictable.

Funny answer: it is a day that ends in a Y
Real answer: The role hasn't done anything and now we, presumably, have someone who is actually playing in the role but Bronx basically got all his posting in early in the day phase and then peaced out.

 

[Fireblend]

I think you have me confused with someone else.

Ugh you are right that was Faddy and that changes my thoughts. I blame your similarly colored avatars.

 

[Sorian]

I meant to post something yesterday but time got away from me. I'm a little surpised this hasn't been poked at more. What was the purpose behind offering confirmation for Verelios? We all would've gotten that regardless once Ver voted.

It implies either

1. You were responsible for it.

or

2. You had some way of communicating with Ver or the person who gave Ver the double vote.

I fail to see the town benefit in revealing either of these pieces of information. At best it's poor town play, at worst it's scum trying to set up some cover.

I asked and have gotten ignored so far. Compounded when Natiko pressed it but then fell away when he was met with light resistance though I don't know how I want to handle it either since I still don't want mass claiming like we started doing at the end of day 2.

 

[Faddy]

Ugh you are right that was Faddy and that changes my thoughts. I blame your similarly colored avatars.

My logic is absolutely sound Firebland.

 

[Sorian]

Who wants to join me and change our GAF usernames to Firebland and Firebrand just to make mafia games even better?

 

[Fireblend]

My logic is absolutely sound Firebland.

Is that typo intended because ima tunnel you for that

 

[Faddy]

Is that typo intended because ima tunnel you for that

It was a typo the first time. Quite good though.

 

[Mazre]

Who wants to join me and change our GAF usernames to Firebland and Firebrand just to make mafia games even better?

Dibs on Firebland.

 

[Nudull]

Who wants to join me and change our GAF usernames to Firebland and Firebrand just to make mafia games even better?

Pfft, sheep. I'll say individual, damn it!

 

[Mazre]

Revisiting our day 1 votes:

From the group of Faddy, Fireblend, AbsolutBro and MickD (Bronxman) and myself : (voted but not on the top 2)


AbsolutBro - Revealed a little info about his role under the barest of pressures, claims also as a fear against dying at night, but that can happen to anyone, and announcing as he did in theory actually increases those odds
I don't think you can read much into him dropping off Faddy on day 2 unless you also consider Faddy to be scum.

Fireblend - fits Sorians engaged and inoffensive criteria to a 'T'

Faddy - I still haven't seen much I see as scummy here myself, more to come in a follow up

Bronx-man - There's still nothing to really go on here, we have shit posts from MickD day 1, no posts day 2, and "Getting to know you" so far on day 3

 

[Mazre]

So back to our poison case:

As claimed so far we have RF claiming to have drawn a poison shot intended for Fat4all.

Shot limit? Seems likely due to apparent lack of poison night 1 (unconfirmed at this point)

Source of poison: scum, town or neutral?

Scum case: It's another kill, easy way to give a goon a little more power by giving them a 1-shot that still let's the victim interact for a phase; would generally expect earlier use so they don't lose it and to more quickly thin herd.
If they were concerned about it being neutralized I could see them holding for a bit, perhaps until they had a chance to sniff out who could stop them and remove them, if they were afraid of losing the kill due to pressure I could see them taking the shot regardless

Neutral - possible but based on current info would appear to be a very non-standard role

Town - town poisoner would be rare, only reason I'd consider it here is that it fits the lore better (poison doesn't scream Batfam MO to me)

 

[Bronx-Man]

Who wants to join me and change our GAF usernames to Firebland and Firebrand just to make mafia games even better?

Can I be Fireband?

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

Went back a few pages and didn't see much from Mazre, though he did recently bring up the CCS/Vere double-vote thing, which has mostly been forgotten.

Nudull, Penguin, and acohrs also have been low-impact, posting short paragraphs. I think acohrs was going to post a reads list?

Natiko was doing fairly well until he got overly defensive over one vote.

Faddy, what is predictable about Sorian's vote for Bronx? There hasn't been much from the latter. And by the way, claiming that killing active players hurts the game flow doesn't mean anything when scum can range from quiet to vocal. Active scum can actually be more harmful to town by leading them astray. Quiet scum don't leave much of a trail.

 

[Mazre]

I think there's a case that Faddy may be our poisoner (assuming RF didn't make the whole thing up)

Coming as the sole survivor of a 3-way race for elimination on day 2 would certainly be motivation to use a shot-limited ability prior to elimination. The target isn't completely crazy either as he had butted heads with Fat quite a bit throughout day 1 and 2. It makes sense if he's town to remove a player he's suspicious of and if he's scum it's WIFOM.

I've tended to lean town on Faddy throughout all this and still do at this point. Though this may all be moot depending on what happens N3 with RF.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

So back to our poison case:

As claimed so far we have RF claiming to have drawn a poison shot intended for Fat4all.

Shot limit? Seems likely due to apparent lack of poison night 1 (unconfirmed at this point)

Source of poison: scum, town or neutral?

Scum case: It's another kill, easy way to give a goon a little more power by giving them a 1-shot that still let's the victim interact for a phase; would generally expect earlier use so they don't lose it and to more quickly thin herd.
If they were concerned about it being neutralized I could see them holding for a bit, perhaps until they had a chance to sniff out who could stop them and remove them, if they were afraid of losing the kill due to pressure I could see them taking the shot regardless

Neutral - possible but based on current info would appear to be a very non-standard role

Town - town poisoner would be rare, only reason I'd consider it here is that it fits the lore better (poison doesn't scream Batfam MO to me)

Unless we're lynching RF today, there really is no point in continuing to speculate about it until tomorrow. If he's dead and flips town, we're further behind. If he lives, that's a huge red flag.

 

[Verelios]

Both Mazre and L_P are giving me bad vibes, like they're trying to do busy work without going deeper than the surface.

I'll be around tomorrow all (or most) of the day.

 

[franconp]

Day 3 votes

ccs (0)
sorian 1635 (1798)

faddy (2)
timeaisis 1670
zippedpinhead 1746

acohrs (1)
natiko 1721

penguin (1)
flame_ac 1726

flame_ac (2)
verelios 1736
verelios 1736

absolutbro (1)
acohrs 1737

lone_prodigy (0)
faddy 1757 (1789)

mazre (2)
royal_flush 1786
ccs 1788

nudull (1)
fireblend 1787

natiko (1)
faddy 1789

bronx-man (1)
sorian 1798

Post Count:
Flame_AC 9
Bronx-Man 11
Fat4all 3
CCS 10
Verelios 14
AbsolutBro 14
Penguin 4
Royal_Flush 9
Faddy 16
Timeaisis 12
Nudull 8
Fireblend 10
Lone_Prodigy 6
acohrs 5
Mazre 8
Zippedpinhead 9
Sorian 27
Natiko 23


Day 3 ends:

Automated vote tally here

10 votes for majority

 

[Natiko]

After doing a reread and going back through each of the day ends I'm to the point where I'm fairly certain scum can be found in the group of moderate posters that are managing to not leave much of an impression and those that are simply not very active. I feel the first pool is smaller than the second (and thus will have better odds) so I dug deeper there. The one person that stood out the most to me was Time.

What I noticed most starkly when going through his posts was just the sheer amount of shade he throws compared to positive views. I mean, it's a lot. I wish there were 'click to show' boxes I could hide these behind because it's a massive list of shade compared to positive reads. Even a majority of the null reads are pretty critical.

I'm also kind of on the Kalor wagon right now.

Dunno, just my general feeling is all. Still doesn't seem like he's doing much in the way of content, although he has voted Terra now, a fellow low contributor.

We need more action here.

Lifeline/Terra scum team 2017

So xan I vote for lifeline and Terra at the same time or what.

Vote: Lifeline

Good lord.

I feel like they are trying to one up each other over who can have the most suspicious posts.

I dunno, guys. the whole Lifeline/Terra thing a couple pages back was the weirdest thing the whole game. First, Lifeline is questioned into why he's tunneling on Acohrs so much and pushing for a lynch.



Then, completely out of the blue, we have Terra (who WAS voting for Lifeline, let's remember) deciding to "humor" Lifeline with a vote on Acohrs.



Then, obviously, people see that as suspicious, and a few votes go out. Lifeline is quick to defend the person who is now listening to him (even though Terra had just had his vote on lifeline, earlier). So now, conveniently Terra is on lifeline's town list. Andagin, pressure to lynch acorns again:



Terra's logic for voting acorns.



Then we get people criticizing the whole exchange, getting confused at what the hell just went down, and so Lifeline decides to back off a little (but not really), saying terra's votes for acorns shouldn't be driving Terra votes but votes for Acorns. He is not stopping with the acorns tunneling no matter what happens, it seems.





Terra's justification, nothing that scummy here:



And Lifeline's and Terra's defense on what they are doing:





Now we get the "timeline" from lifeline. Here's the whole reason the acorns vote exist. Surely, this will change a few minds:



Except, after a couple more back and forth from other posters, Lifeline decides this is the point where he will back off and vote Dr. Worm. Nothing to see here, everyone.



Terra decides to unvote.



Let's also not forget that Terra's vote, that previously was on Lifeline is now on nobody.

Then, Dr. Worm's defense.



And with that, Lifeline is quick to unvote Dr. Worm, whom he had voted for minutes earlier, because of one post. While acorns took an almost terra bandwagon for him to realize pursuing acorns wasn't the best idea (after it "backfired", which, I might add, is an interesting term for votes to shift to Terrabyte).


So we had:
1. Terra votes Lifeline



2. Lifeline votes acorns.



These two actions are within 10 minutes of eachother, for whatever that's worth. The "setup", if you will.

3. A while later, Lifeline doubles down on acorns and makes his case (see above).
4. Terra almost immediately decides to "humor" lifeline, and moves his vote there
5. People get really confused
6. Lifeline gives his acorn timeline/accusation and people call him out
7. Lifeline votes Dr Worm
8. Terra UNVOTES lifeline, and does nothing with his vote
9. Lifeline unvotes Dr Worm after ONE post defense

Something smells.

I'm sorry my opinion bored you.

And I think potentially both, but lifeline has given me more reason to vote for him. Terra might, as he said, been going along the ride for fun. Which is still a weird look...

Well, it looked to me like Terra, who original had his vote on Lifeline, can now have the history of voting for Lifeline without voting for him currently.

And the acorn part, well, they were trying to lynch him and avoid any more pressure on themselves. Both of which did not have votes, but definitely had some suspicion.

Now they are seemingly both scot-free. Lifeline doesn't know what he's doing and Terra was just trying to humor him,that's the explanation, it's all good everyone nothing to see here. Seems like they tried to setup something early game and completely failed, but luckily most everyone isn't reading it suspicious. Well, except me.

OK, almost all caught up...couple things

- I don't see how Flame is confirmed town at this point. Yes, Terra's play last night definitely isn't something mafia would "do", necessarily, but if he knew he was going to be repalced anyway.
- Did batsnacks just admit he was vig?



This post rubs me the wrong way. I didn't have a good feeling on Faddy yesterday, and I continue not to today.

So, for now.

VOTE: Faddy

OK, here we go:

Faddy - Fat4all's Faddy theory is decent, but not great. My vote is on Faddy, and I do continue to have that sneaking scum suspicion from him, but Faddy's argument has not really pushed me over the edge. My vote remains for now because, as others have said, today is kind of a scattershot of possible candidates.

Batsnacks - He was playing pretty normally (for batsnacks) yetserday, but today he seems to be tunneling hard on Worm, for whatever reason. Like I said, I have a pretty neutral read on worm, and I can't really see the connection. Which is fine, opinions, and all that, but bats is pushing pretty hard and also we've got this casual vig soft claim thing going on...for whatever reason.

Fat4All - Like I said, good not great argument for a Faddy vote today. Enough to keep me on there for the moment. Although, it does seem that they are going at eachother pretty good here.

Sorian - Sorian seems extremely neutral this game. Like, extremely neutral. Pointing out obvious mistakes people are making, playing very evenly, not taking explicit sides. Sorian is level headed normally, but this seems a little much, even for him. Dunno what that means, but just an observation.

Zipped - Seems a little bandwagony. Yesterday was Lifeline, today was Faddy. Interesting to note, their votes align with mine. But other than that, not much to go on.

Sexy Fish - Seems super bandwagony to me, and has some strange logic for how to place his votes, as outlined by bats.

acohrs - Still a bad feeling in general. A lot less activity than yesterday, for whatever that's worth.

All for now.

Faddy seems to only engage with people who are arguing with him.

I'm not sure if lynching both Faddy and Fat4all is the solution here, though. Although if the votes fall that way, sure. Trying to engineer this double vote sounds like a terrible idea, to me. It's too easy for scum to sabotage. I'm for letting the votes fall where they lie and see what flips.

Yes, yes. I may have exaggerated a little. I think the fact that you keep going back and forth with Fat4all and then continue to engage with people surrounding that scenario just paints that picture in my head. I'm not accusing you of being scum, just that that's the impression I'm getting with you.



I don't think there's any "agreed upon". We will always have last minute votes and tying and untying vying for second place. Whatever happens, two lynches with two seperate trains should (in theory) be quite helpful. The most we can do is try to make certain we don't have a no lynch.

Also, note that Sexy Fish is a new player. And new players tend to bandwagon to contribute, even when it's not something they feel strongly for or against.

Regardless, that exchange you posted bats is very suspect in any case. It looks like he's looking for a quick lynch, any just about anybody will do. I wouldn't go so far as calling him "100% scum", but I think that'd be a fair lynch. Faddy/Sexy Fish might be an OK double lynch. I don't think we learn a whole lot with a Sexy Fish lynch, though.

That is very interesting. I could see them trying to fall in line if they are on a team, or SF playing follow the leader off a player he agrees with as a legit new town? I do not think it's a coincidence.

He could've just changed his mind? I don't know if this analysis you've (or Veir, I guess) got sticks.

I will say, I do not like Sorian's reaction.

For whatever it's worth, my scum order.

Faddy > Sexy Fish > Fat4All > Sorian. AB is suspicious, but that's it. Most everyone in this game has some sticking point I can find that is suspect. AB is no different, but if all we're going by is that one post at day end yesterday, I'd say that's not enough. Bats is (like usual) a wildcard. Seems more and more scummy, but somehow not. Sure, he's trying to scumhunt hardcore, but that's his MO in just about every game I've played with him. It's some of his logic that I don't particularly like.

I'll move if necessary to prevent a tie. Faddy and Sexy Fish are very close on my scum reads.

CCS seems to be fluffy activity to me. Coming in, jumping on me for my read list, and ignoring everything else that is going on is kind of weird to me. Previously they were on MickD for a policy lynch. Nothing inherently wrong with that, of course, but does seem like least possible activity to remain active while saying not much.

There is something to be said about the timing, I'll give you that.

I think he means claiming at this juncture as town with no votes on him only helps mafia right now. And that's completely true.

Like I said, very pre-emptive skin saving kind of move.

A few thoughts this morning.

- Faddy really wiggled his way out of a lynch yesterday. I need to go back and analyze those turn of events.
- Sorian's vote swap from SF to CCS near day end reads weird to me. Obviously, SF isn't scum and we did have a tie, so I guess you could say it's the right call, but it's still odd.
- AB has soft claimed a tracker-esque role and is still alive. I suppose you can chalk this up to bats sounding more scary to scum, i.e. a vig. However, vigs are just as dangerous to town at this point of the game and scum hadn't lost any when they decided bats over AB.

Faddy and Sorian are my top two right now. Actually, might as well vote back on Faddy, because my opinion of him has not changed and I'm surprised he was not lynched yesterday after being on so many radars.

Vote: Faddy

I need to dig into AB's posting a little further.

RF's claim doesn't make a lot of sense at this juncture. It seems like something that was made up after the fact to explain away why nothing happened to Fat4all.

Although, it's still odd to announce a target the day before. That makes next to no sense to me. What purpose does that serve?

As far as RF goes, I don't trust him. That being said, if he truly will die tonight, we can easily verify that by just waiting it out. I don' think poison necessarily means there will be a doctor, and no, they should definitely not be claiming right now, regardless.

Frankly, I'm surprised the poison is so fast-acting. There's nothing we can do to counteract the effect, save for possibly a "curer" role that's sole duty is to cure people with poison as a night action?

I dunno, just spitballing here.

It felt weird. I realize you could remove you vote anytime and move it back over to a frontrunner. And I trusted you to do that, and so did everyone else. Let's just say if it was anyone but you who pulled something like that I would read it as a suspect move, knowing they might not actually come back at day end to swap if necessary.

At the end of the day, SF was lynched, so it doesn't matter because you switched back. I will give you CCS is starting to look way more suspect today with the pseudo-soft claim. So you may be on to something there.

True, so it's effectively the only way they can survive, by announcing they were poisoned. But the circumstances surrounding it, being annoucning Fat4All as a target yesterday only to now being poisoned after using the lightning rod ability is a very strange chain of events.


Oh, and RE: me keeping my vote at Faddy. I admit, it's the same logic I used yesterday and it hasn't changed much. There hasn't been someone super suspect this phase. If I had to pick someone else, I'd consider AB, Flush, CCS and Sorian. But that's super scattershot, as mentioned before. I still think Faddy is the best bet for today.

I'd vote RF if it weren't for the fact we will figure out if he's lying tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

I forgot to respond to this bit.



I voted Faddy yesterday, who weaseled his way out of a lynch. So I wouldn't call myself hoping from mislynch to mislynch (I did vote for a mislynch d1, I admit it). But y'all mislynched SF and Worm, not me.

Here are the genuinely positive reads he has given:

OK, here we go:

Dr. Worm - I don't see it. Bats seems to be the big one gunning for this. Sure, Worm's play is a little strange (who's isn't in this game), but it doesn't stand out as being much to go off.

All for now.

Flame_AC and Nakito, I think. Regardless of how I felt about Terra, Flame AC has been nothing but towny today. I chalk Terra yesterday to him trying to make some kind of move, that didn't work.

Verelios is neutral leaning town, but again, hard to say. Almost everyone feels slightly scummy at this point.

Top town are Flame_AC, Verelios , and somewhat Royal Flush. I haven't seen really anything suspect from them, saving Terrabyte's vote dance last phase. But Flame has been nothing but town to me, since.

I believe Vere and it's easy to verify when he double votes. So there's obviously some power out there that grants that ability. Whether it's a gift giver per se, or something different, we'll just have to wait and see.

That is a huge difference. Now, I know people have their own playstyles, but the large amount of scum reads/shade throwing compared to town reads/positive feelings is strange. When just glancing over his posts it's easy to think "Ah, Time is scum hunting quite a bit that's good" (I myself did exactly that in prior days). The issue I see is that he is almost always casting doubt on players while not making any real attempt to follow up on most of them, nor is he giving positive impressions of many players. Keeping in mind that statistically a majority of players he mentions will be town - who stands to benefit the most by seeding doubt for so many players? Scum.

VOTE: Timeaisis

 

[Natiko]

Apologies for the broken quote in the middle there, there were so many it was hard to keep them all separate when skimming.

Also took just long enough that I instantly made Fran's vote count outdated. RIP.

 

[Penguin]

The Faddy/Naitko finger-pointing still bothers me. I feel like one or both of them are playing us here.

It's weird that so many are willing to see if Royal Flush injures himself, but I guess makes him prime target for day 4.

I'm still good with Sorian, though I don't wanna have a helping hand bite me in the arse. It happens.

And oddly no beef with Flame_AC going after me.

 

[Flame_AC]

I'm done with exams! Should be nice and active again.

Crackpot theory: Neutral poisoner with a scum poison doctor. Doctor heals RF, gets lynched tomorrow, scum is happy, who knows about the neutral. That or scum poisoner, neutral doctor, scum puts a role on RF during night and maybe something happens if someone tries to heal RF?

I appreciate your post Natiko, regarding Time, you do make some good points.

 

[Natiko]

The problem with lynching RF today is it would need to be based on reasoning unrelated to the poison claim. Even if he's lying about the claim it's still not a beneficial lynch if he's neutral instead of scum and puts us one step closer to losing. Better to wait and see what happens in my opinion.

 

[Sorian]

The problem with lynching RF today is it would need to be based on reasoning unrelated to the poison claim. Even if he's lying about the claim it's still not a beneficial lynch if he's neutral instead of scum and puts us one step closer to losing. Better to wait and see what happens in my opinion.

Lynching a neutral isn't a mislynch, it doesn't put us closer to losing. It buys time if they were going to win and leave anyway. The poison claim isn't even my issue, the role he says he himself has does not sound even remotely true. That said, I'm not calling for his head because I don't think this is a scum play and that's all I care about at this point.

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I'm on mobile all night so that big post is all wall of text to me for now. I'll have to actually read it when I can see it on a comp screen. I echo the point above that L_P looks like busy work but I can't agree with the same on Mazre, his last few posts have been quite good.

 

[acohrs]

This is the readslist for me, everyone else I lean town on.

Null:

• Mazre
• Timeasis
• Terrabyte20xx/Flame_AC
• Lone_Prodigy
• TheReplacedEdge/Penguin

Leanscum:

• Zippedpinhead
• Nudull
• Absolutbro

 

[Nudull]

This is the readslist for me, everyone else I lean town on.

Null:

• Mazre
• Timeasis
• Terrabyte20xx/Flame_AC
• Lone_Prodigy
• TheReplacedEdge/Penguin

Leanscum:

• Zippedpinhead
• Nudull
• Absolutbro

Do you have much reason to read me as scum, outside of the usual reasons that were long covered (and I'm still wondering why people are on that >.>)?

 

[Sorian]

Do you have much reason to read me as scum, outside of the usual reasons that were long covered (and I'm still wondering why people are on that >.>)?

I want acohrs to answer this because I forgot he was even in the game again but you do realize that you would be facing way more votes if we weren't dealing with your claim right?

 

[Nudull]

I want acohrs to answer this because I forgot he was even in the game again but you do realize that you would be facing way more votes if we weren't dealing with your claim right?

Maybe you should take that as a hint.

 

[Sorian]

Maybe you should take that as a hint.

Of what? That you're scum and I should ignore the claim?

 

[Nudull]

Of what? That you're scum and I should ignore the claim?

Or maybe don't throw your vote away so stupidly.

 

[Sorian]

Or maybe don't throw your vote away so stupidly.

Without looking, do you even know the game state well enough to know who I'm voting for? I don't even know what you are talking about at this point.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

The problem with lynching RF today is it would need to be based on reasoning unrelated to the poison claim. Even if he's lying about the claim it's still not a beneficial lynch if he's neutral instead of scum and puts us one step closer to losing. Better to wait and see what happens in my opinion.

Lynching a neutral isn't a mislynch, it doesn't put us closer to losing. It buys time if they were going to win and leave anyway. The poison claim isn't even my issue, the role he says he himself has does not sound even remotely true. That said, I'm not calling for his head because I don't think this is a scum play and that's all I care about at this point.

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I'm on mobile all night so that big post is all wall of text to me for now. I'll have to actually read it when I can see it on a comp screen. I echo the point above that L_P looks like busy work but I can't agree with the same on Mazre, his last few posts have been quite good.

Having been a 1-shot lightning rod in a role madness game I believe RF. Of course, when I had that role I also had a 1-shot nighttime bulletproof to go along with it. I don't even think I will vote for him tomorrow if he lives the night, as long as someone else gets poisoned.

Not voting for him today. I might swap my vote is a better case can be made but the more I think about flush the more I think he is town.

 

[acohrs]

These are the posts that make me scumread Nudull, will provide my thoughts on each one

Well, pardon me for trying not to be as aggressive this game, considering what happened last time I played with Gafia. I was starting at the clearer points first and working my way up, no need to be aggressive. Stuff happened on my end and I'm getting to be active now (as I've already said in this thread before), so may we move on?

I am leaning on something going on with you, Faddy. Going over Fat4all's argument, it does appear sound but I can see people already trying to poke holes. As for the other two, Mazre hasn't been around much this phase while Fat4all seems to be acting townish (not all that hard to do, though). I'll likely come down to a vote soon, depending on what some people say.

Would I be so blatant as to deliberately post as little as possible and stay on the sidelines? Come on, now.

Simple enough, I wanted to be careful and see how things go. Considering how the vote turned out, I wouldn't have been able to do much to change it anyway. Now, I have a bit of a better idea of the field so I can make more conscious decisions. Things happened on my end that made me less active than I should have been (and this is the third time I've had to say this now), and that was out of my control.

Says they will be busier and then hasn't been, it's OK to be busy, but why this constant need to show a willingness to contribute more when present but doesn't in several posts, where they just defend their lack of activity and posts. Feels like scum trying to stay relevant in town's mind. I haven't been as active as normal this game, but I don't keep posting trying to say I will be.

I imagine my role would be of some use.

There's a decent chance that scum will go after me, but I'll say that I can protect someone once a night phase. Good enough?

Don't like this RC and then isn't targeted by scum that nightphase. Scum instead targeted a player that didn't role claim. This tells me that either scum know that Nud is lying or Nud is scum PR but fake roleclaiming as town PR. Why else would scum not target such an important role as Doctor, this baffles me.

Also, on another note, I don't like their tunnel on Faddy since D1 (granted they admit considering AB, another popular target that feels like a copout but it's too early to see it that way yet). It feels like something I've done as scum, choose one player that I don't think will be lynched for a few dayphases and tunnel them so I can avoid being part of other votes, avoiding looking scummy. This is a weaker point, but it's more of a gut one than a proper one

 

[Sorian]

Having been a 1-shot lightning rod in a role madness game I believe RF. Of course, when I had that role I also had a 1-shot nighttime bulletproof to go along with it. I don't even think I will vote for him tomorrow if he lives the night, as long as someone else gets poisoned.

Not voting for him today. I might swap my vote is a better case can be made but the more I think about flush the more I think he is town.

You were an actual lightning rod though it I remember right. R_F isn't really claiming lightning rod, he is more like a redirector, he is just absorbing everything that would have hit a single other person. It's a Blarg level tale considering he claimed almost the same thing in NX.

 

[acohrs]

Think in terms of my scumreads, would lynch in following order:

Absolutbro followed very closely by Nudull then not so hard a lean on Zipped.

 

[Sorian]

I'm setting my alarm to wake up two hours before day end. Final thoughts for my morning, amazing that I call Bronx out yesterday afternoon and still nothing. Nudull is trying to bait me, and Natiko did a much better job of conveying what I tried to about Time in one of my posts a couple days ago. I will be ending today with a vote on Time, Bronx, CCS, or L_P if he doesn't impress me much.

 

[Penguin]

So what does everyone see in Zipped?

I get AB and Faddy and Nudull and Naitko

 

[Faddy]

The Faddy/Naitko finger-pointing still bothers me. I feel like one or both of them are playing us here.

It's weird that so many are willing to see if Royal Flush injures himself, but I guess makes him prime target for day 4.

I'm still good with Sorian, though I don't wanna have a helping hand bite me in the arse. It happens.

And oddly no beef with Flame_AC going after me.

It's me, I'm playing you...

Or you know Natiko hasn't actually gone of his way to point the finger back, in fact he seems pretty confident I am town. And it has been more than just finger pointing on my end when he was almost up for lynch day 1.

Rather than being suspicious of me for pointing the finger at Natiko, you should be asking yourself what is Natiko's gameplan. On day 1 he was very early on the inactivity wagon, then followed onto a weak poster. Look at Natiko's post about Time, he is playing into the meta the same way he did with Dr Worm yesterday.

He is trying to make you think he is solving but he is taking current mafia memes and using them to target low profile townies so he doesn't get much pushback. It could have been Time, it could have been Firebland but it damn sure he wasn't going to finger me or Fat or Sorian. People who have contributed and will fight back.

 

[Timeaisis]

[snip]

That is a huge difference. Now, I know people have their own playstyles, but the large amount of scum reads/shade throwing compared to town reads/positive feelings is strange. When just glancing over his posts it's easy to think "Ah, Time is scum hunting quite a bit that's good" (I myself did exactly that in prior days). The issue I see is that he is almost always casting doubt on players while not making any real attempt to follow up on most of them, nor is he giving positive impressions of many players. Keeping in mind that statistically a majority of players he mentions will be town - who stands to benefit the most by seeding doubt for so many players? Scum.

VOTE: Timeaisis

I'll add penguin to my list of town reads if that makes you feel any better. I just don't read many players positively this game. That's not to say that I think everyone is scum, just that I don't really have a great feeling about anyone. I still don't have a good feeling of Sorian, and if that gives me some heat, so be it. I can prove I'm town if necessary.

It's me, I'm playing you...

Or you know Natiko hasn't actually gone of his way to point the finger back, in fact he seems pretty confident I am town. And it has been more than just finger pointing on my end when he was almost up for lynch day 1.

Rather than being suspicious of me for pointing the finger at Natiko, you should be asking yourself what is Natiko's gameplan. On day 1 he was very early on the inactivity wagon, then followed onto a weak poster. Look at Natiko's post about Time, he is playing into the meta the same way he did with Dr Worm yesterday.

He is trying to make you think he is solving but he is taking current mafia memes and using them to target low profile townies so he doesn't get much pushback. It could have been Time, it could have been Firebland but it damn sure he wasn't going to finger me or Fat or Sorian. People who have contributed and will fight back.

This is an interesting point. I have to admit I've been town reading Natiko the entire game, but looking back you have a point. I need to dig into their posts a little more, but interesting observation.

Alright, Faddy, you have been pretty townish today. With that, I'm going to move my vote to CCS, who has been creeping up my scum list the entire day. I'd also like to hear more from AB. I asked him a question about his softclaim I'd still like answered.

Vote: CCS

 

[Penguin]

going back through the thread a bit, I feel like my gaze is now o Fatal4All and Time.

I think just the early play on Day 1. The person who ended up being killed in the night was the only one who suspected Fatal4All and kind of went quietly into the night. And then he was able to read the Dr. Worm train on Day 2.

Also, and it sucks since said nice things, but Time is also on the list. Just because of the two people he backed on day 1 both ended up dead and now just seems to be riding the Faddy train. There has to be more to that than simply wanting to see him go.

 

[Fat4all]

Two people died night one, and we don't know who was killed via scum or by ability.

Also it's fat for all :/

 

[Penguin]

Two people died night one, and we don't know who was killed via scum or by ability.

Also it's fat for all :/

That's on me... Fatal4All sounds so much cooler!

And yeah I know it's a game of chance, but it does look weird when the odds haven't been in your favor.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

You were an actual lightning rod though it I remember right. R_F isn't really claiming lightning rod, he is more like a redirector, he is just absorbing everything that would have hit a single other person. It's a Blarg level tale considering he claimed almost the same thing in NX.

True I was an actual all abilities everywhere on me lightning rod. The only thing that wouldn't affect me was the standard scum night kill (as it had been explained to me).

Still, im feeling like flush is telling the truth. But then again with poison the only way to survive is to admit you were poisoned.

OT: are you saying blarg tried that scheme in NX or that flush tried to pull it and the scheme is blarg like "in general"?

 

[Fat4all]

That's on me... Fatal4All sounds so much cooler!

And yeah I know it's a game of chance, but it does look weird when the odds haven't been in your favor.

Not sure what you mean there. I made the wrong call on Dr Worm for sure, but my target day one was Terra (now replaced) and that spot haven't turned either way yet. I wouldn't exactly call an 0 for 1 a scramble quite yet.

My biggest concern right now is getting back into the conversation. I feel woefully left behind by my own doing and have to update my reads. At this point I feel like I've been more of an object to bounce the pace of the talk off of while I've been gone because of the possible poison play.

 

[Penguin]

Not sure what you mean there. I made the wrong call on Dr Worm for sure, but my target day one was Terra (now replaced) and that spot haven't turned either way yet. I wouldn't exactly call an 0 for 1 a scramble quite yet.

My biggest concern right now is getting back into the conversation. I feel woefully left behind by my own doing and have to update my reads. At this point I feel like I've been more of an object to bounce the pace of the talk off of while I've been gone because of the possible poison play.

Oh I also meant that the only person who originally voted for you on Day 1, Splinter ended up getting murdered at night. We don't know how, but it does look weird when that happens to me is all!

 

[Faddy]

Once again we are coming up to deadline and there are a lot of people who haven't voted yet.

You should all vote for Natiko

 

[Penguin]

Once again we are coming up to deadline and there are a lot of people who haven't voted yet.

You should all vote for Natiko

You do realize if we vote for Natiko and he turns out to be town, you will be easily voted off the next round?

 

[Fireblend]

I don't see the Time argument Natiko is building to be honest. Is that "negative to positive reads ratio" really strange? Seems like somewhat of a stretch.

Fat4all I've disagreed with for a while. The fact that SexyFish didn't flip as scum made me less confident, but even seen in a vacuum I find him suspicious. His tunneling on Faddy at the time seemed unjustified, and I never really had an opinion on Worm that was strong enough to feel any alignment but admittedly he did interact plenty yesterday with F4A. His absence this day (until now) is also hurtful to town but then again I also feel like I'm in a huge slump.

Reading through CCS' posts I guess I could see the people pushing on the direction. Insisting on us policy lynching MickyD yesterday, switching between being suspicious of Faddy and not being as suspicious later in the same day; I'm not sure I buy this evolution of their thoughts:

Page 8, not liking Faddy at all so far.

I'm not certain that one of Fat and Faddy are scum, but I suspect them both so I think it's likely there's scum there.

Beyond him, scum reads are acohrs, Royal, and one of Faddy and Fat (not sure which).

Then votes for someone else entirely...

I'm not sold there's scum in any of the top votes players. If I had to pick one though I'd probably go SexyFish. I'll put my vote there for now.
VOTE: SexyFish

Gets called out on it and tries to justify it:

Rereading the day and following the play since then, it's been feeling more like a town/town mistaken pileon than town/scum interacting. Just feels like we're being lead the wrong way.

And finally ends up playing defense for Faddy:

Would prefer Faddy stay alive out of the three leading vote, think vote will stay where it is.

Kind of feels off. They're currently voting Mazre along with R_F and I guess that's a strong lynch outcome possibility now because we're at like a 4-way tie now? I actually townread R_F but I don't see the Mazre push all that much. Might go back and re-read through his posts and consider that direction, but right now after having read through CSS' their change of mind yesterday has me thinking.

Also, not happy with the lack of reaction from Nudull to having 2 votes on them. I'm kind of dumbfounded. Can I get a top town/scum list out of you Nudull? =/