TheGoreMagala
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Jumps leave you open and can be really predictable, Hydra is good for anti air. Ground is great for confusing and a big factor as paying Helix since air or ground is all the same to him
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Jumps leave you open and can be really predictable, Hydra is good for anti air. Ground is great for confusing and a big factor as paying Helix since air or ground is all the same to him
I haven't really fucked with Helix, I will give him a shot. I've always been more of a zoner in fighting games, so he might fit me. Right now I just use Spring Man with double boxing gloves.
My strategy which is pretty effective is to opportunistically switch focus back and forth. And just when a player things oh sweet let's hang up on this guy, start attacking them.
With draw away if you start to get caught in the middle, repeat
Sometimes they just both go for you or even in 4 for all, but switching focus constantly and backing in and out generally keeps me pretty safe. Also if a person gets a special and is attacking someone. Wait until they've done max damage to them, then attack at the end. Never stop a special that is attacking someone who isn't you
fierrotlepou
Member
When playing in handheld mode and you punch, which stick do you use to aim? Left or right? Or can you use both?
BlackBanditSho
Member
After playing for the past day, and as a street fighter fan/player, I'd like to see ARMS at more tournaments. This game is legit. I can see why Valle is excited about it.
Left to curve punches.
Finding GP 3 so much harder as Min Min than I did as Kid Cobra. At the semi final now but Ribbon girl just handed my ass to me so gonna call it a night. 🤔
goldenpp72
Member
Is there a 100 percent way to block using motion controls?
Further along in rank, the development of the meta is pretty interesting since it's pretty clear the idea that pushing buttons first will cause you to lose kinda doesn't make sense because of how super meter works.
You can't just sit there and not push things because the threat of super opens you up to YOLO throws that are safe.
Here's an interesting thing I've done:
I was down in a round and didn't believe in the comeback, so I charged super and had the opponent kill me right away so I wouldn't spend the round trying to make a comeback and then letting them build super.
People will probably be doing stuff like this in tournaments lol
Meter management is really interesting and I hope they patch 2 out of 3s into local switch to switch play at some point so we get full screens.
Dragoshi1
Member
Whew, tried Ranked for the first time, rolling my Kid Cobra and Slam/Slap combo, and won 4 of my matches in a row, made it to rank 3.
But geez, the grab spamming is intense. Seems Sparky is super common, and usually it's thrown out, and then a grab comes in. It's hilarious sidestepping it, and watching the opponent do the whole shtick anyway.
But wow, my nerves are shot, pretty intense stuff.
But geez, the grab spamming is intense. Seems Sparky is super common, and usually it's thrown out, and then a grab comes in. It's hilarious sidestepping it, and watching the opponent do the whole shtick anyway.
But wow, my nerves are shot, pretty intense stuff.
Vital Tundra
Member
Yup just play it like a normal controller.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Anyone want to try/practice 1v1s with Helix?
TheListOfToddicho
Member
Yeah, I played it in Tablet Mode during the Testpunches and I did just fine.
spazchicken
Member
I apologize.
I expected the story to be stupid but I never expected it to be that stupid. Wow...
Yeah I just don't agree with it haha. You still have to know which way he's dashing to punish it. He can also grab after teleporting which is very hard to react to (at least for me).
Then on the ground he can auto evade by guarding and then dash making him super hard to catch and very easy for him to scam the timer.
Everyone has their own opinion. I always find tier lists interesting. In this game especially, because it doesn't seem like some fighting games where characters are sometimes almost completely unviable.
New page heh. Still tweaking this if anyone has any basic advice they want to add in for brand new players (like I was at launch)
TheGoreMagala
Member
Still think 200 ARMS getter is better just sayin
I'm the Twintelle that managed to beat you once, lol.
What are you doing to alternate charged poppers? their range/spread is ridiculous and you just alternated back and fourth, didn't think you could do that with a charge in between.
I think Prima also had a laughable Brawl guide back in the day. I wouldn't take a Prima guide seriously.
Edit: Sorry, Double Post
Helix has infinite charge when goop or stretched.
Dunno if I'm just playing scrubs, but grabs seem a bit OP. Won so many matches tonight in party mode just by dodging and grabbing,
Really love the game though, I have to say that Nintendo's online system (rightly at times) gets a lot of flak but had absolutely no issues at all playing ARMS for countless hours online, no lag at all which is impressive for a fighter.
I'd like to see some extra modes added as DLC to keep things fresh, we already have basketball and volleyball, why not some form of soccer too?
Really love the game though, I have to say that Nintendo's online system (rightly at times) gets a lot of flak but had absolutely no issues at all playing ARMS for countless hours online, no lag at all which is impressive for a fighter.
I'd like to see some extra modes added as DLC to keep things fresh, we already have basketball and volleyball, why not some form of soccer too?
Woah this video makes me sad for playing with buttons. He doesn't even use charge and he's pretty great. Looks fun, controlling them punches that precisely.
Anyway, how do you do the counterattack that tips & tricks instructs? It says block a hit and then instant dash but I couldn't execute it even if I tried in practice.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Yeah I don't know what happened that time, I guess it was a bad game or me just trying to learn your style. Lots of things are happening irl right now so I'm not doing my best, my apologies. But I'm not a man who blames things on outside factors, it was a close intense and fun match that you won fair and square, congrats
Sentry mode has permanently chargers arms. I make my opponent pick their poison, have me gain my rush in sentry, or attempt to close in and have the fight commence.
Meanwhile when I'm in a puddle I for all intents and purposes also have permanently charged arms
Dunno if I'm just playing scrubs, but grabs seem a bit OP. Won so many matches tonight in party mode just by dodging and grabbing,
Really love the game though, I have to say that Nintendo's online system (rightly at times) gets a lot of flak but had absolutely no issues at all playing ARMS for countless hours online, no lag at all which is impressive for a fighter.
I'd like to see some extra modes added as DLC to keep things fresh, we already have basketball and volleyball, why not some form of soccer too?
It's easy to do against people online that are just constantly over committing by just throwing out both arms all the time.
Sometimes I think I've got, and then I lose 3-4 matches in a row. This game makes me want to suplex my switch from time the time. Especially that gp 5 man. Even though B&B are ranked as c-tier, I hate them the most when encountering them in GP.
This game was the perfect follow-up for MK8 indeed.
This game was the perfect follow-up for MK8 indeed.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Reminds me of a guy in ranked with double parasol I couldn't do anything about. Welp I guess that calls for new arms
I can see why people think Ribbon Girl and Twintelle are the best. They're the only characters with multiple jumps/dodges. I'd say Ribbon Girl is one step above Twintelle simply because she can Jump 3 times and Dodge as well, so she can REALLY mess people, especially with her Dive Bomb. I usually try Jump > Jump > Dodge > Dive Bomb > Grab. She seems almost too good sometimes.
But for the Get Arms Mini-game, I haven't found a character I want to use yet. Maybe Master Mummy since I could use 2 of the 3-shooters for extra range. I'm not sure.
But for the Get Arms Mini-game, I haven't found a character I want to use yet. Maybe Master Mummy since I could use 2 of the 3-shooters for extra range. I'm not sure.
TheGoreMagala
Member
I would suggest you add me and try out fighting my Helix, I do believe Helix should be S tier if not top A tier.
For the get ARMS it doesnt matter who you pick, everyone is forced to use a toaster
Yeah I don't know what happened that time, I guess it was a bad game or me just trying to learn your style. Lots of things are happening irl right now so I'm not doing my best, my apologies. But I'm not a man who blames things on outside factors, it was a close intense and fun match that you won fair and square, congrats
Sentry mode has permanently chargers arms. I make my opponent pick their poison, have me gain my rush in sentry, or attempt to close in and have the fight commence.
Meanwhile when I'm in a puddle I for all intents and purposes also have permanently charged arms
Cool yeah, I don't mind the strategy, just want to know what's happening.
Seems like a Noob Gate tactic so it's better I learn it now so it doesn't frustrate me later.
Cool that works for me, this game doesn't come naturally to me yet so it's like super draining to play right now haha.
It is as simple as it sounds, you probably didn't get the timing right. Here's a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agAclpmIOTA
FlutterPuffs
Member
It's funny though because the main dev focused more on a ground game during the Arms invitational. Someone asked him for advice later during a Treehouse and he advised not to jump so much as a player and focus on dodging via dashes.
Would be fun if to see how the meta develops.
Same, It's just it's own beast.
I recommend stepping away from it for a couple of hour if its gets frustrating. I know that worked for me. I went from meh, to thinking I like it and now I know I like it
Your play style is to basically spam double Poppers and evade whenever the opponent attacks you. That doesn't work with any other character/Arm combination aside from maybe Ribbon Girl in the air.
I really think it has to do with how much latency there is and how quickly an opponent has to punish you. Your setup of double Poppers is very good, and you play Helix+Poppers well... but I can't believe that's all there is to it. When you switched away from double Poppers you lost, likely because the slower attack speed meant I had more time to counter.
This is all speculation of course, but I couldn't replicate what you were doing offline. Every time I tried to evade the way you do, Helix got hit because he just couldn't move doing the periods when he should have recovery.
I wrote the Prima tier list. I moved Helix from C to B after fighting you. I still don't think Helix is any better than that because I can't replicate your evasion offline. You're good with Helix, but the game isn't all that deep. There are only so many ways you can move and evade. If I can't replicate what you're doing, there has to be something else going on. Until I figure out what that is, I can't rightfully move Helix up any higher than that.
Not all fighting games use a matchup based tier list. I don't feel Arms falls into that category. Character matchups don't mean as much as the Arms the characters have equipped, so it'd be almost impossible to make a real matchup chart for the game.
You haven't played the game yet so how can you possible say the tier list is flawed?
High curve Arms are a bit better on stages with more obstacles, but not enough to change how good or bad they are overall. Whammer is one of the easiest Arms in the game to evade. Even if you have the height advantage (while important), I can still evade just as well, especially if I'm playing defensively. It's very difficult to open someone up in this game if they don't attack (unless you have Rush).
In the case of Arms, I only made the tier list because it was trending on Google. If that's what people want then that's what I'll write. I made it very clear that the tier list isn't definitive and will almost certainly change. I also made it clear that the tier list is based on the highest level of play with each character and will change if you're playing at a lower level or against someone who is lesser skilled.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Only reason I'm weary of buying this is because my Switch's wifi is a mess, utterly horrible range and obviously it doesn't make much sense to buy Arms for the single player...
ugh.
ugh.
I was on board until this. How do you know the highest level of play, LOL. I expect we won't see this until 3 months from now, if the game has any depth 1-2 years. If it has god level depth like 10-15 years.
I know what you mean, but I would change the verbiage haha.
twothunder
Member
haven't visited this thread since release. hope i didn't miss much here
been busy playing with Min Min
Quite a few kid cobras last session
took some quick footwork and well timed jumps / grabs to beat them in ranked
Also. Fought a good helix. close matches back and forth. so hard to hit
send him a friend request just for the good matches
been busy playing with Min Min
Quite a few kid cobras last session
took some quick footwork and well timed jumps / grabs to beat them in ranked
Also. Fought a good helix. close matches back and forth. so hard to hit
send him a friend request just for the good matches
TheGoreMagala
Member
I understand what you're saying but just beccause you can't replicate it, doesn't mean there has to be something else happening. With all due respect, Helix is relatively difficultly to use so perhaps that's what's happening? That or perhaps you need someone competent local to fully test. Though I must say I can replicate all I've done to you as Helix with level 7 AI and I've perfected them and won both rounds without losing.
I'm honored my matches with you caused a rise in the skill tier. Admittedly anything that's not the poppers does hamper movement slightly, but it makes it so I can only throw once instead of twice before being able to evade. Double sparkies or other arms still make it relatively easy to do all that. Again I'm down to practice with you whenever you'd like
I dunno, I'm a huge motioner. But really aside from grabs (honestly I cant easily do wide grabs in motion) you can do all the same curves with buttons and sticks
Yeah I mean it's the current highest level of play. That's why any tier list is constantly changing. As people get better the tier list will likely change. Even the Melee tier list still changes from time to time.
I'm debating if I want to get on now or not. I plan to watch CEO SF5 top 8 in 30 minutes. Maybe I'll just play until then.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Get on!
Do you sleep? LOL
TheGoreMagala
Member
No honestly I've been playing for about 2.5 days now