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- Thread starter Dandy Crocodile
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Yeah this just isn't fun. I don't know if I blame game design, lag, or Helix, but if I can't get close to you it's an automatic loss because the Poppers are too fast, and Twintelle's slow doesn't seem to work on you.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Helix is his own beast in his own right, you have to treat him completely differently and approach completely differently than anyone else, and even with that it still takes effort to beat him
What does this say about Helix's skill tier if he consistently wins against anyone like this?
Glitchesarecool
Member
I am jammed up hard in the GP4 match against B&B, the match is the target breaking minigame and I just can't beat out their three punches with Twintelle at all.
A lot of people have started to get used to the Twintelle method of playing, and at this point I would probably tell a lot of people to not use Twintelle's air, or to limit yourself from being in the air all the time. In casual play I've noticed a lot of players just waiting for you to land before even giving a shot at a punch.
Slapamanders are still great though. The only time they've become a hindrance is on small stages.
A lot of people have started to get used to the Twintelle method of playing, and at this point I would probably tell a lot of people to not use Twintelle's air, or to limit yourself from being in the air all the time. In casual play I've noticed a lot of players just waiting for you to land before even giving a shot at a punch.
Slapamanders are still great though. The only time they've become a hindrance is on small stages.
HamsterPackage
Member
I beat gp level 4 with kid cobra, I lost 3 matches. Definitely my best so far. Gonna try 5 now and see how that goes.
I was getting slaughtered yesterday on level 3 so it seems I'm getting the hang of things.
I was getting slaughtered yesterday on level 3 so it seems I'm getting the hang of things.
Don't attack first. All I'm doing is waiting for you to attack, dodging and counter punching. As soon as I have a knockdown I can then hover over you and apply pressure.
You can't approach at all. I take damage no matter what, whether it's damage from being hit, chip damage from charged attacks or Arm damage from barely dodging.
donkey show
Member
Now that I got the hang of Snekman, it wasn't too hard beating difficulty 7. Only hold up was Hedlok, but once I switched to double Hydras and let the tracking do the work, he was handled.
Now for the rest of them... :S
Did you try the parasol? I felt like they worked well against Gore.
Yeah just got close with that.
TheGoreMagala
Member
I know any scientific theory needs multiple trials, and judging by the fact that there are multiple, MULTIPLE accounts of people experiencing your pain, that few people have ever beaten my Helix, and that fewer still, if any, have beaten it consistently, what's the conclusion?
Bad matchup I suppose, that trampoline blocked my punishes
I wouldn't worry about a tier list of any kind until a week or 2 out. Just an opportunity for people to complain and make excuses. Gives theory crafting a spot light over competence.
Good point.
TheGoreMagala
Member
I will admit Helix is slightly bad under pressure and when things are toooo close
Glitchesarecool
Member
So how are you playing your Helix? Other than the double poppers, because I haven't run into a helix player at all yet that did anything really spectacular against me.
TheGoreMagala
Member
My evasion game, it is on point to say the least. I would reccomend you ask everyone else here so you hear their perspective. I also recommend you face off against me
You practically have to
-Use the right arms
-Stay way too close for comfort
-Predict me correctly
To even have a shot against taking him down
Though I'll admit the double poppers are almost a must, for many many reasons
Getting much better with Ribbon Girl. Starting to breeze through GP5, Bite and Bark or whatever their names are, had me stumped.
What's the consensus on the meta for this game? Particularly in terms of arm viability? For example, will TO's allow custom arms or will we be stuck with the default arms for characters? I heard there's a way to unlock all arms for that reason particularly.
I just don't want to progress with arms I'm comfortable with, then get stunted at a tourney when I can't use what I want.
What's the consensus on the meta for this game? Particularly in terms of arm viability? For example, will TO's allow custom arms or will we be stuck with the default arms for characters? I heard there's a way to unlock all arms for that reason particularly.
I just don't want to progress with arms I'm comfortable with, then get stunted at a tourney when I can't use what I want.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Got the game today for Father's Day...
I am BAD at the motion controls. My daughter loves them. I find movement and punching difficult. I have my daughter standing right in front of me and when I punch it always veers left and right of them... I guess its because I can't keep my hands straight when punching and it curves not on purpose?
What are the downsides to not using motion controls? I honestly found it more enjoyable just using a sideways Joycon to motion. I'm not going to give up on them though.
I am BAD at the motion controls. My daughter loves them. I find movement and punching difficult. I have my daughter standing right in front of me and when I punch it always veers left and right of them... I guess its because I can't keep my hands straight when punching and it curves not on purpose?
What are the downsides to not using motion controls? I honestly found it more enjoyable just using a sideways Joycon to motion. I'm not going to give up on them though.
Babymario26
Member
Ggs
No one knows yet. I hope it's completely open, though. I think that limiting arms choice would cater to a needlessly-limited meta.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Use your wrists, not arms.
Traditional controls can't control two different trajectories or wide grab (as easily)
You'd have to play too slow for that to work, IMO. I'll give it a shot though.
He attacks relentlessly with double Poppers. This makes it extremely difficult to approach. If you do manage to get close or he closes in on you, and you evade the Poppers and go for a counter punch, 99% of the time, no matter the situation, he evades your counter punch and punishes. Rinse and repeat.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Yeah, I know that. I'm doing thumbs up and just flicking my wrist to punch. I guess it's the combination of walking to the left or right and trying to punch at the same time... I'm inadvertently curving my punch? I've only been playing for a few hours today, I guess it takes more practice.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Yeah in both cases movement and curves are via the same controls so you do what you gotta do
I do that too. I am bad about adjusting from movement direction to punch direction. I think lots of motion control players are trying to dial that in right now, fwiw.
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Deleted member 752119
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Impulse/drunk bought this digitally today despite planning to pass on it after the test punches.
Still can't get into the motion controls, but having a blast playing with the pro controller. I'm on a fighting game kick with Injustice 2, Tekken 7 and now this. Nice change of pace after burning myself out on long story-driven games.
Still can't get into the motion controls, but having a blast playing with the pro controller. I'm on a fighting game kick with Injustice 2, Tekken 7 and now this. Nice change of pace after burning myself out on long story-driven games.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Yeah I just find movement + dodge and jumping on the shoulder buttons + flicking wrist to punch + twisting to curve on each hand... is just... almost too much for my brain to handle.
Kind of like patting your head and rubbing your stomach type of thing. I dunno maybe its not for me. My kids like it though because they're just swinging around and having fun. But I feel like I am fighting my brain with what I want to happen and making my hands actually do it.
Yeah. Sad to say, playing against that Helix isn't fun at all.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Nice, DrDogg! I'm tempted to say I played poorly but it's a bit hard to believe that myself. That felt more like a skill v skill match and was very close, regardless I'm sure you were still very anxious. Did you do anything differently?
You have to be in the air to consistently get at the thing. This is kind of what me and Gore figured out when playing long sets.
That said, he can mix it up with various options, so you're looking for what he'll be doing next and then punishing that (the easiest one being tall stand into air dash since Helix is falling for forever).
I switched back to my double Shocky Arms. I figured since people were having luck with the Parasols, they were basically using mediums to beat your lights. But instead of switching to slow Parasols, I just switched to my faster Shocky Arms. With that setup and my extended analysis of your play I used my double Cracker strategy, only with medium double Shocky Arms.
The only issue was the puddle. Poppers/Crackers have a wide enough hit box that I could hit you in puddle without motion controls. Switching to Shocky I couldn't do that because of the smaller hit box. That's actually where Parasols would come into play, but I just feel they're too slow.
Renna Hazel
Member
How do people start a game in party mode with a full special meter?
TheGoreMagala
Member
Everyone agrees nothing is particularly EFFECTIVE per se
GwyndolinCinder
Member
Are gore and dogg In a joinable lobby? I'm eating breakfest right now, but might try squeeze in a game after, if that's okay ^^
Glitchesarecool
Member
If you lose or win enough times in a row, certain effects kick in. If you win five in a row for example, you start off with 25% less health than normal. Losing, that's when you start with super meter.
I am really digging Kid Cobra with how easy it is to chain dashes/slaps, because usually I can get a full charge between dashes to keep the dash train going.
Sometimes you get it as a bonus
You know what... getting to misses in Hoops is fucking bullshit. I'd have won that game if not for the mysterious miss bullshit.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Dogg left but I'm around
Magic Mushroom
Member
If they lose a couple of matches in a row, they get that advantage. Just like winning a few makes you start with less health.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Hmm, double parasols are annoying but puddle still works. That and a particular Min Min Combo might make me use different arms for once
Renna Hazel
Member
Ah, that explains why I started a match against lvl. 7 headlock with my health gone. totally unfair.
TheGoreMagala
Member
Gonna take a break to eat brb
If spring is giving you trouble don't even bother with Helix
If spring is giving you trouble don't even bother with Helix
molnizzle
Member
I mean, I don't get to pick who my opponents play as.
TheGoreMagala
Member
I was referring to GAF, namely me