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[Cheesecakebobby]

So you're going to completely ignore the environmental effects that increased farming has? Completely cutting out meat would put a huge strain on the environment based on water usage alone.

You are grossly underestimating the environmental impact animal agriculture has. If you stop eating meat, you do not remotely need to increase your consumption of plant-based foods to the extent that your environmental impact matches or is more than the level of any diet that includes animal products. Just in terms of land required to feed the average meat eater, it's 6x that of a vegetarian and 18x that of a a vegan.

In terms of water, it takes 1.5x as much water to produce a gram of protein from beef as it does a gram of protein from soy, which gets a bad rap as it requires more water than most plant foods.

 

[CodonAUG]

http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/food-carbon-footprint-diet

Beef is apparently the worse for CO2.

edit: notice a no-beef diet is nearly the same as vegetarian (for co2).

 

[dubq]

To be fair, in a time when I was deathly depressed, dirt poor, and never had any 'real' time to cook, I still found a way to not eat meat.

It's not exactly super hard *shrug*

Srsly. People act like it's some big super difficult thing. News flash, it ain't.

 

[Already Torn]

I have not seen any study out there which claims this. If you have a preference for balanced diet, then that's perfectly fine but I have not seen studies which claim that a vegan or vegetarian diet has a greater negative impact on the environment than an omnivore diet.

I think this is the most popular one.

You have to consider that it differs depending on the actual vegetables you're talking about. But of course the same is true for meat. Cow farming is worse for the environment than chicken farming, hunting deer is good for the environment, etc.

Aren't you doing the same in your own way by ignoring the destruction of massive amounts of forest and other natural landscapes to make more farmland for grazing cattle? Or the huge amounts of methane the billions and billions of cattle release all the time? There are tons of factors involved and while water is a big one, its not the only one.

For sure dude, there's a lot of reasons why people should cut back on meat (particularly red meat) consumption. I stopped with pork a few years ago and would have cut out beef as well if the occasional McDouble wasn't so good. It's a shame poultry farming has the worst conditions for the animals.

 

[Window]

I think this is the most popular one.

You have to consider that it differs depending on the actual vegetables you're talking about. But of course the same is true for meat. Cow farming is worse for the environment than chicken farming, hunting deer is good for the environment, etc.

I already brought up that study in my previous post. It's important to draw the right conclusion from it. In general, a typical vegetarian diet would have lesser impact than a typical omnivore diet. But not all vegetarian diets are automatically better than meat diets.

This is true in the short term. In the long term, the land, farms, supply chains used to grow feed for domesticated animals can be switched to grow produce/grains for human consumption. I think it generally takes less resources to produce a vegetarian diet than an omnivore diet. People often bring up this recent study to refute that claim but it's important to keep in mind the context of its conclusion, "not every plant product is more environmentally friendly than every meat product."

 

[Already Torn]

I already brought up that study in my previous post. It's important to draw the right conclusion from it.

Didn't I say that too?

 

[Window]

Didn't I say that too?

I don't know. You earlier said that a vegetarian diet is worse than an omnivore diet. All I'm saying is that this is not generally true but maybe true under certain circumstances.

 

[Krauser Kat]

So you're going to completely ignore the environmental effects that increased farming has? Completely cutting out meat would put a huge strain on the environment based on water usage alone.

on a per calorie basis water is much more efficiently used in producing soybeans and wheat and leafy greens than animals and any other plants.

I think this is the most popular one.

This study is bullshit.

The guy who ran the study evern said this

“In general, no matter what denominator you use, the emissions from plant-based foods are going to be lower, and this study is consistent with that,” he added.

if you replaced your entire diet with lettuce and fruit is it worse for the environment. Yes. If you think any one does that in RL you are delusional.

Most people who switch the vegetarian diets use soy and wheat and legumes to get back a majority of their protein loss from meat. not lettuce and fruit.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

The world is not going to become vegetarian or vegan unless we create synthetic meat as a replacement. That way, nothing 'changes' from the consumers perspective, it's just the source of 'meat' is way more environmentally friendly. This assumes we can make the synthetic meat actually taste very close to the real thing.

 

[Vhalyar]

You can take my beef, but poultry and fish you will have to pry from my cold, dead mouth.

 

[outunderthestars]

You know people, you don't have to give up meat completely. Eating it less frequently helps a lot. It helps climate and it makes you feel physically better. People it much more meat than they actually need.

This is where I am these days. For me it started with trying to live a more local life: riding bikes instead of driving, eating more local foods, drinking locally brewed beer, shopping at locally owned stores/farmers markets etc.

I was shocked at how much better I started to feel after a few weeks of eating less meat and dairy. Once we made the decision it really forced us to get more creative in terms of eatibg. Lately my wife and I have been making salads and using oven roasted chickpeas and really loving it.

It can be really fun to try and eat veggie once or twice a week!

 

[Squalor]

Yeah, this is a big part of the problem for us average wage consumers...whenever I want to look at healthier alternatives for food in the stores, they're always so much more expensive that it's just harder to consistently afford that stuff. It's fucking bull shit, and it sucks, but I can't seem to do anything about it.

Yeah, vegetables and fruits are so expensive.

 

[QuantumZebra]

I glaze over when wealthy celebrities make pronouncements about how everybody should eat. It's a lot easier if you have a team of professionals buying your groceries and cooking for you and you can eat at the best restaurants whenever you want.

This ^^

Sorry Arnold, love ya, but you can get a basil and chili pepper tofu wrap delivered to your table, meanwhile my kids and I are feasting on BK stackers some nights.

Yeah, vegetables and fruits are so expensive.

You still need protein, certain fats, good cholesterol, etc and other nutrients only easily found in meats.

And before you say "well you can eat avocado and tofu blended yogurt" or something... try feeding that to a 4 and 3 year old who would rather starve than eat certain foods.

That has little to do with money.

You're just being lazy.

Nice of you to judge us, pal.

It's not even all about money.

 

[Squalor]

This ^^

Sorry Arnold, love ya, but you can get a basil and chili pepper tofu wrap delivered to your table, meanwhile my kids and I are feasting on BK stackers some nights.

That has little to do with money.

You're just being lazy.

 

[Already Torn]

This ^^

Sorry Arnold, love ya, but you can get a basil and chili pepper tofu wrap delivered to your table, meanwhile my kids and I are feasting on BK stackers some nights.



You still need protein, certain fats, good cholesterol, etc and other nutrients only easily found in meats.

And before you say "well you can eat avocado and tofu blended yogurt" or something... try feeding that to a 4 and 3 year old who would rather starve than eat certain foods.

If you're looking for cheap alternative foods, I recommend eggs! Like $2 for a dozen and they're super good for you and super good tasting. Add on some hot sauce... and I think I liked eggs when I was a kid! Maybe sneak the tofu blended yogurt into an omlette or some shit.

 

[QuantumZebra]

If you're looking for cheap alternative foods, I recommend eggs! Like $2 for a dozen and they're super good for you and super good tasting. Add on some hot sauce... and I think I liked eggs when I was a kid! Maybe sneak the tofu blended yogurt into an omlette or some shit.

Yea we tried - they'll eat eggs every now and then, but they're unbelievably picky.

That doesn't matter to people who know everything like the poster above you, though.

 

[Already Torn]

Yea we tried - they'll eat eggs every now and then, but they're unbelievably picky.

That doesn't matter to people who know everything like the poster above you, though.

I bet a lot of people don't consider children for this kind of thing, I can't say I ever did in all honesty. Even if you tried introducing kids to different kinds of foods in school lunches or something, they would probably just stop eating the school lunches.

 

[Squalor]

This ^^

You still need protein, certain fats, good cholesterol, etc and other nutrients only easily found in meats.

And before you say "well you can eat avocado and tofu blended yogurt" or something... try feeding that to a 4 and 3 year old who would rather starve than eat certain foods.

Nice of you to judge us, pal.

It's not even all about money.

Tofu also isn't expensive. Beans and eggs exist as well. People are different, but don't qualify a young age as some sort of coverall for disliking avocados and other foods.

Sometimes, kids don't like certain, healthier foods because they had already been conditioned to be addicted to sodas and bad, high-sodium and sugary fast foods.

It's not as though they came out of the womb craving McDonald's and Burger King.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Tofu also isn't expensive. Beans and eggs exist as well. People are different, but don't qualify a young age as some sort of coverall for disliking avocados and other foods.

Sometimes, kids don't like certain, healthier foods because they had already been conditioned to be addicted to sodas and bad, high-sodium and sugary fast foods.

It's not as though they came out of the womb craving McDonald's and Burger King.

Before I get annoyed and say something - I'm just gonna stop talking to you.

I said before I had kids that they would never eat anything unhealthy and very few meats, but I was clueless then, just like you are now.

I bet a lot of people don't consider children for this kind of thing, I can't say I ever did in all honesty. Even if you tried introducing kids to different kinds of foods in school lunches or something, they would probably just stop eating the school lunches.

Squalor is the posterchild for this, as you can tell.

Kids will literally starve themselves and then cry themselves to sleep before eating something they don't like.

It's easy to sit on a high horse and judge people for some, though.

Exactly, that is some total bullshit, Quantumzebra.

Really? I'm stepping out of this thread, now.

I'm glad you were there with my wife and I for the years we spent after the transition from breastmilk and formula trying to get our kids to eat greens and beans and rice, and watching them go to bed hungry or throw fits all day because they're not getting enough calories.

I'm also glad you'd rather starve your children just to uphold your own twisted moral highground.

I'm out.

/edit:

No wait, scratch that. I don't have kids, so I'm actually not in a position to judge you there, but I also can't help but roll my eyes at a statement like that.

Roll your eyes all you want, turbo. Call me when you haven't slept in 3 days and your kids are malnourished.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Tofu also isn't expensive. Beans and eggs exist as well. People are different, but don't qualify a young age as some sort of coverall for disliking avocados and other foods.

Sometimes, kids don't like certain, healthier foods because they had already been conditioned to be addicted to sodas and bad, high-sodium and sugary fast foods.

It's not as though they came out of the womb craving McDonald's and Burger King.

Exactly, that is some total bullshit, Quantumzebra.

/edit:

No wait, scratch that. I don't have kids, so I'm actually not in a position to judge you there, but I also can't help but roll my eyes at a statement like that.

 

[Portugeezer]

China wants to cut down on meat instead of coal, of course it makes sense for them.

The world is not going to become vegetarian or vegan unless we create synthetic meat as a replacement. That way, nothing 'changes' from the consumers perspective, it's just the source of 'meat' is way more environmentally friendly. This assumes we can make the synthetic meat actually taste very close to the real thing.

Yeah I agree. I had Quorn once, it wasn't bad, don't know how bad it is for environment compared to normal meat though.

 

[Surfinn]

Whenever I start to feel good about people and where this world is heading, I only need to look at some meat related thread on NeoGaf to get a reality check.

Considering how many brilliant and clever people are in this board, the ignorance, denial and indifference that shines through when most of you are faced with reducing meat consumption, is just profound.

It's not about you and your poor, sad tastebuds that just aren't able to adapt and try something new. It's about doing something that requires nothing from you to make the world of tomorrow a better place, and to save animals from suffering.

And don't give me that line about needing a nutritionist, or it being expensive. I live off of a standard wage and I manage with no problems. And if you spent just a fraction of the time you waste on gaf to find out what you need in order to stay healthy, you would be fine.

It's not rocket science. I know you're not stupid, so stop acting like it.

Came here to say this, one of the best posts in a long time. I live in what is considered poverty in the U.S. and have been vegan for about seven months now. Each plate my GF and I cook costs under one dollar (yes, we did the math) and the cooking takes about 20-30 min on average. If you live near a Wal-Mart, you can buy all you need for cheap. Or any decently priced grocery store.

It's genuinely infuriating reading these threads and seeing the same ignorant, lazy and heartless responses. On a message board full of progressive and intelligent people, I'm shocked to notice how many are living in the stone age when it comes to diet. Yikes.

My GF and I love the food we make, it's cheap, relatively ready to make, and we both feel great. I feel better than I've felt in years.

Come on GAF. It's time to get progressive on diet too. Seems to be the final frontier here.

 

[JasonUresti]

Before I get annoyed and say something - I'm just gonna stop talking to you.

I said before I had kids that they would never eat anything unhealthy and very few meats, but I was clueless then, just like you are now.

So what, when you refuse to give your kids unhealthy foods or ones you dont want them to eat, they physically overpower you, take your care keys and drive to get it? Or steal your phone and credit card and order it?

Your kids arent special, they get hungry enough they will eat what you give them. You spend their first years giving them whateve they want and shoveling them full of shit bwcaise they are "picky" and because its easier for you then yeah its going to be a pain to get them to switch or try different things.

If I can get a cognitivly and emotionally impaired kid to try different things, you should be able to get some normal kids to eat some healthy shit once in awhile.

 

[Chola]

haha, Meat eaters are no different from gun owners. btw i eat meat aswell but only couple of times a month

 

[QuantumZebra]

So what, when you refuse to give your kids unhealthy foods or ones you dont want them to eat, they physically overpower you, take your care keys and drive to get it? Or steal your phone and credit card and order it?

Your kids arent special, they get hungry enough they will eat what you give them. You spend their first years giving them whateve they want and shoveling them full of shit bwcaise they are "picky" and because its easier for you then yeah its going to be a pain to get them to switch or try different things.

If I can get a cognitivly and emotionally impaired kid to try different things, you should be able to get some normal kids to eat some healthy shit once in awhile.

When did I ever say they don't eat healthy food?

All I said was forcing kids into a vegan diet is practically impossible. My daughters wouldn't eat enough.

If they starve themselves it is going to damage them far more than having a fucking all-natural hot dog with cucumber on the side as opposed to a tofu wrap.

I draw the line at starving my kids to prove some sort of misguided point. I'm amazed anyone could justify that.

 

[Futureman]

oh that CMU study... The authors of the study said that press release title misrepresents their study. I actually emailed the PR person asking why they used that title and they never responded to me. I guess they figured it would get lots of hits, which did work.

 

[dragonelite]

Wasn't aware of the bolded. How come?

Im pretty sure i saw a report that eating vegetarian is slightly better for the environment
then being a meat eater.

on a per calorie basis water is much more efficiently used in producing soybeans and wheat and leafy greens than animals and any other plants.

Im pretty sure soy is not a complete protein profile, also ignoring vitamins and minerals meat contains and vice versa with phyto nutrients.
Cricket seems interesting. I really should try eating insects.

 

[outunderthestars]

So what, when you refuse to give your kids unhealthy foods or ones you dont want them to eat, they physically overpower you, take your care keys and drive to get it? Or steal your phone and credit card and order it?

Your kids arent special, they get hungry enough they will eat what you give them. You spend their first years giving them whateve they want and shoveling them full of shit bwcaise they are "picky" and because its easier for you then yeah its going to be a pain to get them to switch or try different things.

If I can get a cognitivly and emotionally impaired kid to try different things, you should be able to get some normal kids to eat some healthy shit once in awhile.

As a parent I will weigh in with this: Unless you are the child's other parent or their doctor, you really don't get to tell a parent what they can/should do in regards to raising their kids.

 

[QuantumZebra]

As a parent I will weigh in with this: Unless you are the child's other parent or their doctor, you really don't get to tell a parent what they can/should do in regards to raising their kids.

Thank you.

I'm stunned by the know-it-all keyboard warriors chiming in. What's hilarious is most of them don't even have kids.

Even if you set out to make sure your kid never ate a burger from day one, they'd eventually get friends or go to school and would eat a burger and then would want to eat burgers.

Yep.

I'll pass on creating any kind of complex like I ended up with (never allowed to drink soda, ended up a soda addict when I was old enough to walk to the store and hide it).

No one is saying you or your kids should be vegan. I'm not vegan either. But when viewed in the context of a planet that is quite literally dying and you read a counter like 'my kids are picky eaters' what else is there to do than shake your head in disbelief? People should at least consider cutting down I guess.

Oh hell I dunno, maybe take a step back and realize you're talking about something that you have no clue about?

I never once said my kids demolish 3 happy meals a day. I said there are times were gonna eat meat. Until society as a whole changes and my daughters don't see burger ads on everything from YouTube to the Disney Channel then they are going to want a hot dog or a burger at least occasionally.

I can't help but shake my head at people who think they can judge others that are in situations vastly different than their own.

 

[Already Torn]

Even if you set out to make sure your kid never ate a burger from day one, they'd eventually get friends or go to school and would eat a burger and then would want to eat burgers.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Thank you.

I'm stunned by the know-it-all keyboard warriors chiming in. What's hilarious is most of them don't even have kids.

No one is saying you or your kids should be vegan. I'm not vegan either. But when viewed in the context of a planet that is quite literally dying and you read a counter like 'my kids are picky eaters' what else is there to do than shake your head in disbelief? People should at least consider cutting down I guess.

It's a shame that it's impossible to make this argument without seeming like the biggest douche in the world (in more ways than one).

Oh hell I dunno, maybe take a step back and realize you're talking about something that you have no clue about?

I never once said my kids demolish 3 happy meals a day. I said there are times were gonna eat meat. Until society as a whole changes and my daughters don't see burger ads on everything from YouTube to the Disney Channel then they are going to want a hot dog or a burger at least occasionally.

I can't help but shake my head at people who think they can judge others that are in situations vastly different than their own.

You can do whatever the hell you want, man. Your life, your kids and eating meat isn't illegal. And I won't presume to tell you what you can feed your children. That would be ridiculous.

I can, however, say that I feel you're attributing a bit too much weight to the difficulty of raising kids when viewed in the context of this larger problem.

 

[Dr_LucienSanchez]

I'm absolutely not going to. It's out there, but if you're gonna come in here saying it's the stupidest post you've ever seen than I can only assume you've already seen the research yourself. But then if you've seen it you wouldn't have said that in the first place.

And of course the meat industry is bad for the environment. That's why you gotta cut down on eating mostly one type of food in general. If you eat only meat you're adding a lot of greenhouse gasses and contributing to deforestation, but if you go completely vegetarian you're wasting way more energy and water.

I'd also like to hear you expand on your earlier posts in this thread about insects being nutritionally terrible and full of sodium. Citations would be lovely. Thanks.

Farms aren't naturally occurring, and the materials have to get to you some how. If you're not eating meat you're generally eating a lot more food too to make up for that lose energy source, so you increase the demand. Basically just a lot more greenhouse emissions from the growing and processing of your food than you get from foods that aren't vegetarian options.

Yeesh.

 

[Addi]

Cutting meat is a good idea, I want to eat mostly fish and chicken, cutting down on red meat. Red meat would be something I allow myself on weekends/special occasions.

 

[RSTEIN]

Quantum, I have 3 boys and we have no problem filling them up on lentils, beans, veggie burgers, tofu, pastas, eggs, veggie dogs, rice dishes, etc. Just have to take the time to make the meals. Different lifestyles for different folks and if you don't have the time to make the meals then I totally get it. Dinner is the worst part of the day, lol.

The other trick is sneaking in the veggies and protein. We make "chocolate smoothies" which is basically a whole bunch of kale, chocolate protein powder, milk, and high protein yogurt. They love it, lol.

 

[poppabk]

Of course I've seen the research, and it contradicts pretty much everything you have said. You are spreading false information. Animal agriculture might just be the number one cause of climate change. Cutting down reduces the problem, cutting it out completely solves the problem. If you care about the environment, you have to care about consuming animal products - the less the better, there isn't some magic barrier under which you start damaging the environment more.

Someone cited an article about a study that shows it isn't as simple as cutting down on meat solving the problem. If everyone has a salad to replace a certain amount of meat calories, that would actually be worse. You have to replace meat calories with calorie dense alternatives to have an effect.

 

[Window]

Someone cited an article about a study that shows it isn't as simple as cutting down on meat solving the problem. If everyone has a salad to replace a certain amount of meat calories, that would actually be worse. You have to replace meat calories with calorie dense alternatives to have an effect.

Which article? Also, a vegetarian diet does not solely consist of salads so I don't even know if that's a relevant case to consider.

 

[f0nz0]

Oh sure... Arnie builds his legacy on protein(meat) packed diet and now that he's old hes advocating to not eat meat...

 

[RSTEIN]

Oh sure... Arnie builds his legacy on protein(meat) packed diet and now that he's old hes advocating to not eat meat...

People are allowed to change their mind of things.

Also, there are vegetarian professional body builders, football players, MMA fighters, etc. Meat is an easy way to get lots of stuff in you but not the only way.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Quantum, I have 3 boys and we have no problem filling them up on lentils, beans, veggie burgers, tofu, pastas, eggs, veggie dogs, rice dishes, etc. Just have to take the time to make the meals. Different lifestyles for different folks and if you don't have the time to make the meals then I totally get it. Dinner is the worst part of the day, lol.

The other trick is sneaking in the veggies and protein. We make "chocolate smoothies" which is basically a whole bunch of kale, chocolate protein powder, milk, and high protein yogurt. They love it, lol.

Yea brother we're trying - it's hard to trick these girls, though, lol.

The chocolate smoothie idea is a good one - gonna steal that.

 

[Fliesen]

The world is not going to become vegetarian or vegan unless we create synthetic meat as a replacement. That way, nothing 'changes' from the consumers perspective, it's just the source of 'meat' is way more environmentally friendly. This assumes we can make the synthetic meat actually taste very close to the real thing.

The world is not going to become vegetarian or vegan as long as meat producers don't need to include the ecological cost of their production to the final price of their product.

Meat is too cheap - in relation to how its environmental footprint of similar diets.
Much of the cost of animal agriculture is being paid by future generations and not the actual consumer.

Meat should be as expensive to the customer as it is to the environment. That will make vegetarian diets more attractive.

Humanity doesn't need to become "all vegan" or "all vegetarian" ... but 300 pounds of meat per person, per year - which is roughly what the average US citizen consumes is not sustainable, not healthy, and in no way required. It's just too much.
It's not about abstaining entirely, it's about eating meat being something special. Like - every weekend. or twice a week. not 2 meals a day.

 

[poppabk]

Yea brother we're trying - it's hard to trick these girls, though, lol.

The chocolate smoothie idea is a good one - gonna steal that.

Cauliflower crust pizza is a good one. There are a bunch of recipes on line. Honestly my kids (3 and 5) have barely any interest in meat. Bread and dairy are the things they crave, they also like fruit and the odd vegetable. Getting them to eat substantial portions of vegetables and meat is the hardest part for me.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

The world is not going to become vegetarian or vegan as long as meat producers don't need to include the ecological cost of their production to the final price of their product.

Meat is too cheap - in relation to how its environmental footprint of similar diets.
Much of the cost of animal agriculture is being paid by future generations and not the actual consumer.

Meat should be as expensive to the customer as it is to the environment. That will make vegetarian diets more attractive.

Humanity doesn't need to become "all vegan" or "all vegetarian" ... but 300 pounds of meat per person, per year - which is roughly what the average US citizen consumes is not sustainable, not healthy, and in no way required. It's just too much.
It's not about abstaining entirely, it's about eating meat being something special. Like - every weekend. or twice a week. not 2 meals a day.

A huge tax on meat consumption to account for its ecological impact is never going to happen for the same reason a huge tax on fossil fuel use has never happened. It's utterly unrealistic or practical to expect that kind of change. Even if you could magically get it passed it's a heavily regressive solution that does nothing to actually help change behavior of the people who can least afford to do so.

Until you have a plausible and realistic alternative that people can use, you can't expect wholesale change in societal behavior, in some cases it's physically impossible. For example it's probably true that almost nobody should drive gasoline powered cars, but the US lacks the mass transit infrastructure to even accomodate such behavior. Even if you raised the price of gas by 500%, you haven't actually changed the underlying circumstances that make people dependent on using gas.

Until there's a vegetarian version of Fast Food that tastes as good and is as cheap and omnipresent, people will not be able to switch over. The poor eat poorly because they don't have the time or resources to eat any other way. Americans are not going to suddenly start cooking all their meals from scratch, that's a luxury reserved for the rich.

Synthetic meat leverages the existing food infrastructure and economic environment/behavior in an integrated way without requiring dramatic changes in societal behavior. So long as it tastes largely equivalent, you just have to convince people that it should be used as a replacement ingredient behind the scenes.

That's a much easier sell than any other type of proposal. "You don't have to change your behavior or pay more money. You can eat all the same things at all the same places and it will taste the same. But this will help save the planet". It also helps transition authentic meat into more of a special delicacy for fancy restaurants and special celebrations.

 

[neoism]

damn shame he is too old to do true lies 2... damn you Cameron

humans are carnivores Cameron wth...

 

[Skeletron]

I'm eating three McDoubles as I type this. Ribeye waiting in the fridge for dinner. Gotta make those gainzz

I've been trying to gain muscle for years and it's only been recently, eating a ridiculous amount of meat, that I've made any progress. Gone from 152 to 170 since the beginning of the year. If anyone can suggest a better source of protein I'm all ears.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

humans are carnivores Cameron wth...

Um, about that...

 

[HiredN00bs]

I'm eating three McDoubles as I type this. Ribeye waiting in the fridge for dinner. Gotta make those gainzz

I've been trying to gain muscle for years and it's only been recently, eating a ridiculous amount of meat, that I've made any progress. Gone from 152 to 170 since the beginning of the year. If anyone can suggest a better source of protein I'm all ears.

Seitan

I like (pre-synthetic) MeatGAF:

Harms sentient beings - DGAF
Drives global warming and hunger - Let it/them burn/starve
Promotes cancer - we all gotta go somehow cyphersteak.gif

 

[Poona]

All I said was forcing kids into a vegan diet is practically impossible. My daughters wouldn't eat enough.

Are they aware that meat is an animal? An animal that was killed so they could eat them? I never made that connection until I was 8. Honestly don't know what I thought meat came from before then. If I knew meat was animals before 8 I would have stopped eating it earlier.

humans are carnivores Cameron wth...

Not carnivores. Omnivores. Also were closely aligned with gorillas and orang-utans and they surely do not have a love for animal products.

 

[Jacobi]

If I knew meat was animals before 8 I would have stopped eating it earlier.

WHAT?

 

[Poona]

WHAT?

Yeah, I only made the connection meat was animals when I was 8 when I went to a farm and saw big cows. I just became uncomfortable that these big creatures were dying so I could eat them. I didn't want that to happen anymore.

Maybe if I had seen the movie Babe before then I would have realised it too or a similar story but I wasn't aware of it or it hadn't been released.

 

[ArjanN]

STOP DOING PSAS AND WORK ON AVATAR 2,3,4,5,6,7,8

He probably could have solved world hunger with the profits for Avatar 1 alone.

Spoiler

Also Avatar was a pretty mediocre movie.