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Bugs aren't a feasible food source though for a multitude of reasons. They barely have any protein for one.

Looks like pork has a little under half the carbon footprint of beef, and chicken about a fourth. Lamb appears to be even worse than beef, surprisingly.

http://www.greeneatz.com/foods-carbon-footprint.html

Pork is the least ethical of all though because they're smarter than dogs and are treated in worse conditions than chickens.

 

[Spenny]

Nah. I've been in ketosis for nearly two years and have never felt better.

 

[Contica]

Whenever I start to feel good about people and where this world is heading, I only need to look at some meat related thread on NeoGaf to get a reality check.

Considering how many brilliant and clever people are in this board, the ignorance, denial and indifference that shines through when most of you are faced with reducing meat consumption, is just profound.

It's not about you and your poor, sad tastebuds that just aren't able to adapt and try something new. It's about doing something that requires nothing from you to make the world of tomorrow a better place, and to save animals from suffering.

And don't give me that line about needing a nutritionist, or it being expensive. I live off of a standard wage and I manage with no problems. And if you spent just a fraction of the time you waste on gaf to find out what you need in order to stay healthy, you would be fine.

It's not rocket science. I know you're not stupid, so stop acting like it.

 

[Always-honest]

Chicken still cool right?

Sure. This is just about meat.

 

[brian577]

Well, to be honest dogs can survive on diets that don't contain meat (as opposed to cats who'll just die). They are not purely carnivorous.

Define "survive", what would the quality of life be for the animal?

Whenever I start to feel good about people and where this world is heading, I only need to look at some meat related thread on NeoGaf to get a reality check.

Considering how many brilliant and clever people are in this board, the ignorance, denial and indifference that shines through when most of you are faced with reducing meat consumption, is just profound.

It's not about you and your poor, sad tastebuds that just aren't able to adapt and try something new. It's about doing something that requires nothing from you to make the world of tomorrow a better place, and to save animals from suffering.

And don't give me that line about needing a nutritionist, or it being expensive. I live off of a standard wage and I manage with no problems. And if you spent just a fraction of the time you waste on gaf to find out what you need in order to stay healthy, you would be fine.

It's not rocket science. I know you're not stupid, so stop acting like it.

It's like vegetarians can't say anything without coming off as pretentious.

 

[Gloggins]

Whenever I start to feel good about people and where this world is heading, I only need to look at some meat related thread on NeoGaf to get a reality check.

Considering how many brilliant and clever people are in this board, the ignorance, denial and indifference that shines through when most of you are faced with reducing meat consumption, is just profound.

It's not about you and your poor, sad tastebuds that just aren't able to adapt and try something new. It's about doing something that requires nothing from you to make the world of tomorrow a better place, and to save animals from suffering.

And don't give me that line about needing a nutritionist, or it being expensive. I live off of a standard wage and I manage with no problems. And if you spent just a fraction of the time you waste on gaf to find out what you need in order to stay healthy, you would be fine.

It's not rocket science. I know you're not stupid, so stop acting like it.

Thank you! Great post. You wanna help the environment - stop consuming corpse and titmilk, it isn't difficult.

 

[JimmyRustler]

I would be ready to pay more for meat if it would lead to better treatment of the animals but I am not ready to stop eating meat.

 

[linsivvi]

Whenever I start to feel good about people and where this world is heading, I only need to look at some meat related thread on NeoGaf to get a reality check.

Considering how many brilliant and clever people are in this board, the ignorance, denial and indifference that shines through when most of you are faced with reducing meat consumption, is just profound.

It's not about you and your poor, sad tastebuds that just aren't able to adapt and try something new. It's about doing something that requires nothing from you to make the world of tomorrow a better place, and to save animals from suffering.

And don't give me that line about needing a nutritionist, or it being expensive. I live off of a standard wage and I manage with no problems. And if you spent just a fraction of the time you waste on gaf to find out what you need in order to stay healthy, you would be fine.

It's not rocket science. I know you're not stupid, so stop acting like it.

Thank you. It's not like they are asking people to completely cut off meat (though that's an option). They are just asking people to consume less.

The weirdest posts are those suggesting them sucking up to China even though they are just endorsing a progressive and environmental message that they've been doing for years, especially in Cameron's case.

It's not even the first project they've worked on together, but nobody cares.
http://yearsoflivingdangerously.com/

 

[zaccheus]

I stopped eating meat 5 years ago, lost a ton of weight and I feel much more healthy. I come from an asian background where eating meat is a sign of prosperity so there was always so much of it available and it just made me really fat and lethargic. Enough was enough for me, and I slowly stopped eating so much of it and I never looked back. I will still indulge in meat if I go to a gathering, or if my mom is cooking out of respect, but I never buy meat for myself since I don't need it, and haven't felt a desire for it.

I think a big part of the problem is that western/american culture doesn't really have many traditional vegetarian meals that we're taught to like while young. (except for like.. mac and cheese and cheese pizza) All the good stuff we're conditioned to make us feel satisfied when we eat have a lot of meat in it. Other cultures (like indian, chinese, vietnamese) have plenty of things you can eat that are super tasty that don't have meat.

Also, the idea that buying healthy food is expensive is something I never understood. I bought a bag of potatoes, a carton of eggs, a bag of bananas, apples, peanut butter, mushrooms and a bunch of other fresh shit and all of this food can last me over a week! And it cost me like 18 bucks for all of it. I spent 13 dollars the other day on a some tacos and drink during a work lunch.. so.. yea.


If you are interested in switching to eating less meat and losing weight, my rule of thumb was to not buy any processed food, and buy all of my ingredients, so that when I do end up eating, its a commitment.. it'll take you about 10-20 minutes to prepare a meal, and that time you spend preparing your food you'll be making a healthier meal, doing a little bit of exercise from moving around in the kitchen, and learn how to cook. I very rarely buy snacks. I've lost nearly 100 pounds this way.

 

[LouisaFerre]

I glaze over when wealthy celebrities make pronouncements about how everybody should eat. It's a lot easier if you have a team of professionals buying your groceries and cooking for you and you can eat at the best restaurants whenever you want.

You say that as if meat is something people are forced to eat. Last I checked, most Americans had an excess of protein in their diet and meat isn't anywhere near the cheapest produce that can provide it. I guess that depends on where you live, though.

 

[dragonelite]

Meat is good for you though! You'd be better off cutting out like bread or cereal or some shit.

I did that mostly cutting out carbs.
Replace them with fat i actually need less protein also on my current diet.

 

[Bass260]

Whenever I start to feel good about people and where this world is heading, I only need to look at some meat related thread on NeoGaf to get a reality check.

Considering how many brilliant and clever people are in this board, the ignorance, denial and indifference that shines through when most of you are faced with reducing meat consumption, is just profound.

It's not about you and your poor, sad tastebuds that just aren't able to adapt and try something new. It's about doing something that requires nothing from you to make the world of tomorrow a better place, and to save animals from suffering.

And don't give me that line about needing a nutritionist, or it being expensive. I live off of a standard wage and I manage with no problems. And if you spent just a fraction of the time you waste on gaf to find out what you need in order to stay healthy, you would be fine.

It's not rocket science. I know you're not stupid, so stop acting like it.

Absolutely nailed it. Thank you.

A plant-based diet is the cleanest way to live, period. You can help prevent climate change and end the nightmarish conditions every animal endures in our modern farming practices.

 

[Hypron]

Define "survive", what would the quality of life be for the animal?

I haven't looked at it too deeply but from what I've read the dogs are completely fine. There's just more work on the owner's part to make sure your dog eats everything that it needs (e.g. enough proteins and stuff).

I'm not sure I'd do that myself but it seems totally feasible.

Although, it's always annoying to find good info on those topics because there's an overlap between vegans/vegetarians and those anti-science people that think all GMOs, "chemicals", etc. are bad for you. You know, the kind of people that also rely on holistic healthcare and BS like that. It's like, you find an article and think "oh, that looks interesting"... But then it devolves into bullshit a paragraph in.

 

[kittoo]

I am a vegetarian but I personally have no issues with people eating meat- except the massive amount environmental damage this industry causes. If that could be solved, eat away! Maybe people can eat more chicken/goat than beef/pork (dont beef and pork cause much more environmental harm?).

 

[LouisaFerre]

Absolutely nailed it. Thank you.

A plant-based diet is the cleanest way to live, period. You can help prevent climate change and end the nightmarish conditions every animal endures in our modern farming practices.

Right, A good thing to keep in mind though is that a plant based diet alone isn't the only thing people should be striving for. We need to be taking into account not just what we eat, but also where it comes from and the like. You can be a vegetarian but still be doing damage if you eat a significant amount of processed food or produce that requires really extensive transportation. If you make an effort to buy local groceries that are in season, though, you'll definitely be doing a lot of good.

 

[Imperfected]

I am a vegetarian but I personally have no issues with people eating meat- except the massive amount environmental damage this industry causes. If that could be solved, eat away! Maybe people can eat more chicken/goat than beef/pork (dont beef and pork cause much more environmental harm?).

The more reasonable (if somewhat distant) solution is supporting research and development into vat-grown meat. A few pilot programs in laboratories have already succeeded, it's mostly a matter of making the process efficient and scalable.

 

[paradise_circus]

carbohydrates are what get you fat, not fat.

totally missing the point of the add and overconsumption make you fat not food

 

[ATOMICJORGE]

Bugs aren't a feasible food source though for a multitude of reasons. They barely have any protein for one.


Pork is the least ethical of all though because they're smarter than dogs and are treated in worse conditions than chickens.

That is not true http://www.precisionnutrition.com/eating-bugs

Also they are delicious just look at this

Chinicuil Tacos (Maguey Worms):

Chapulines (Grasshoppers):

 

[brian577]

That is not true http://www.precisionnutrition.com/eating-bugs

Also they are delicious just look at this

Chinicuil Tacos (Maguey Worms):

Chapulines (Grasshoppers):

I get the practical reasons for eating insects but why do they have to be intact? We don't just go to the market in a first world country and buy a cow's leg, hoof and all. Even our birds will have their organs, head, and other extremities removed. So why do bug enthusiasts continue to think they should be selling the bug idea to us with whole insects?

Seriously, if I ever eat insects, they won't look like that when I do.

 

[Bass260]

Right, A good thing to keep in mind though is that a plant based diet alone isn't the only thing people should be striving for. We need to be taking into account not just what we eat, but also where it comes from and the like. You can be a vegetarian but still be doing damage if you eat a significant amount of processed food or produce that requires really extensive transportation. If you make an effort to buy local groceries that are in season, though, you'll definitely be doing a lot of good.

It's the next logical step. Sustainable and locally-sourced farming/food production should be the norm - not the exception.

In general, we need more awareness of the environmental implications that follow mass-market food production. Something's gotta give.

 

[King Gilga]

No meat, no life.

 

[paradise_circus]

I get the practical reasons for eating insects but why do they have to be intact? We don't just go to the market in a first world country and buy a cow's leg, hoof and all. Even our birds will have their organs, head, and other extremities removed. So why do bug enthusiasts continue to think they should be selling the bug idea to us with whole insects?

Seriously, if I ever eat insects, they won't look like that when I do.

there are bug burgers
http://www.musclefood.com/bug-burgers.html

 

[Bedameister]

That's really cool. I support that.

 

[Acidote]

Whenever I start to feel good about people and where this world is heading, I only need to look at some meat related thread on NeoGaf to get a reality check.

Considering how many brilliant and clever people are in this board, the ignorance, denial and indifference that shines through when most of you are faced with reducing meat consumption, is just profound.

It's not about you and your poor, sad tastebuds that just aren't able to adapt and try something new. It's about doing something that requires nothing from you to make the world of tomorrow a better place, and to save animals from suffering.

And don't give me that line about needing a nutritionist, or it being expensive. I live off of a standard wage and I manage with no problems. And if you spent just a fraction of the time you waste on gaf to find out what you need in order to stay healthy, you would be fine.

It's not rocket science. I know you're not stupid, so stop acting like it.

Sometimes it's not about ignorance or denial, but about indifference as you say. It's not about cost, health or anything else. Sometimes it is like in my case, where I encourage you all to do it. To substitute it with even more vegetables and fruit. To give insects a try.

But I won't.

I just don't care if animals are sacrificed in the process as long as the animals have been raised and cared properly. I enjoy eating meat and I will continue doing so for as long as I do and for as long as I am fit.

Edit: Actually I have tried insects before, but the only ones I liked where grasshoppers and ants covered in chocolate and they only tasted like chocolate. And while the taste was fine, the crunchyness of grasshoppers was disgusting.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I really shouldn't be surprised that there's an insane pro veg group on Neigaf, and yet..,

 

[Miles Quaritch]

We should just eat Chicken for our protein fix and if you don't like Chicken, well there's just something with you and you need to work through that shit and get onboard the Chicken train.

Beef, Swine, Lamb... not really needed.

 

[Window]

I really shouldn't be surprised that there's an insane pro veg group on Neigaf, and yet..,

What's so insane about it? The mere fact that they are vegetarians?

 

[Fallout-NL]

All of you 'never gonna happen, Murica' people need to get a clue.

/edit: because while I know it sounds crazy, the bio industry is going to be almost single handedly responsible for bringing about the end of the world (for us at least).

 

[linsivvi]

What's so insane about it? The mere fact that they are vegetarians?

"Less meat, less heat"

I guess science is insane to some people.

 

[KonradLaw]

Easy to say for Arnold, since he has his gains phase of life long behind him. Younger people still want to get big!

 

[KonradLaw]

I get the practical reasons for eating insects but why do they have to be intact? We don't just go to the market in a first world country and buy a cow's leg, hoof and all. Even our birds will have their organs, head, and other extremities removed. So why do bug enthusiasts continue to think they should be selling the bug idea to us with whole insects?

Seriously, if I ever eat insects, they won't look like that when I do.

In the west most of the early products based on insects are using insect flour because of that

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

Great to see this. Meat is completely unnecessary, even for a bodybuilder or strongman. There are numerous award-winning vegan bodybuilders and record-breaking vegan athletes. Hell, in the three months since I went vegan I've bulked 10kg and that's just from using dumbbells at home.

 

[KonradLaw]

Nah. I've been in ketosis for nearly two years and have never felt better.

Same here (well..shorter period). Carbs-heavy diet makes me gain weight extremely fast and I can't stop myself from overeating. Sorry, that just won't happen. I'm addicted to carbs, so telling me to control myself and just limit the portions makes as much sense as saying to alcoholic "drink just one glass of whisky every day".

And all those vegan diets are insanely stuffed with carbs. In the worst case scenario I could somehow manage on vegetarian diet, assuming I would still be able to eat fish and eggs, but pure vegan? No way. Not possible without turning my life into pure hell.

 

[dragonelite]

That is not true http://www.precisionnutrition.com/eating-bugs

Also they are delicious just look at this

Chinicuil Tacos (Maguey Worms):

Chapulines (Grasshoppers):

I do want to try insect eating once it presents itself.

 

[Zakalwe]

Yeah, this is a big part of the problem for us average wage consumers...whenever I want to look at healthier alternatives for food in the stores, they're always so much more expensive that it's just harder to consistently afford that stuff. It's fucking bull shit, and it sucks, but I can't seem to do anything about it.

Only if you're buying for convenience, mostly,

Buy raw components and build your own meals. Works out cheaper.

 

[kittoo]

I really shouldn't be surprised that there's an insane pro veg group on Neigaf, and yet..,

Care to explain?

 

[BudokaiMR2]

I tried grasshopper when I was in Thailand.

NOPE!

I completely understand the reasoning behind this, but yeah sorry I love mah meat too much....

 

[Acidote]

There's a lot of you saying that you don't need to eat meat. And that's probably true for most people without special needs. But that's not the only point. I don't care if it's not necessary, I want to eat meat because I enjoy it. It makes me happier.

And yes, you can have a healthy diet with meat.

 

[J-Rzez]

Reduced consumption of all types of meat in the past, weight barely dropped, and felt low of energy along with longer recovery from work outs. Just felt unwell for three months. Cut back on carbs, weight plummeted, felt bad for a few days, then have had more energy and quicker recovery from exercise ever since. So no, will not change my diet as it works for me and my wife as she had even better results.

 

[Bamboo]

Two of the dudes I respect a ton in the world.

...but nope.

He already got his swole. What about the rest of us who ain't there yet. We need that meat!

I will continue to eat the flash of dead creatures till the day I die, thank you.

I glaze over when wealthy celebrities make pronouncements about how everybody should eat. It's a lot easier if you have a team of professionals buying your groceries and cooking for you and you can eat at the best restaurants whenever you want.

Nope, not going to happen.

Pass I need my chicken meat to satisfy my beast side.

I'd be glad to switch to lab grown meat as soon as it becomes commercially viable...but until then I can't give up the flesh of the innocent, sorry.

No.
I can't live without red meat.

Kind of sick of feeling like an asshole for enjoying some chicken, turkey, and pork here and there.

Not to be stubborn but I already limit my red meat and fish intake. I enjoy meat. It's flavorful and satisfying. It probably does factor into my diet once a day on average. Is it skippable? Absolutely, but I still enjoy it. And, if I don't buy and eat it then those animals are being slaughtered for nothing.

Call me when wide, sweeping change is upon us because until then, I'm participating in meat eating. Not going to let the people who need their daily McDoubles ruin it for the rest of us.

I need it

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Whenever I start to feel good about people and where this world is heading, I only need to look at some meat related thread on NeoGaf to get a reality check.

Considering how many brilliant and clever people are in this board, the ignorance, denial and indifference that shines through when most of you are faced with reducing meat consumption, is just profound.

It's not about you and your poor, sad tastebuds that just aren't able to adapt and try something new. It's about doing something that requires nothing from you to make the world of tomorrow a better place, and to save animals from suffering.

And don't give me that line about needing a nutritionist, or it being expensive. I live off of a standard wage and I manage with no problems. And if you spent just a fraction of the time you waste on gaf to find out what you need in order to stay healthy, you would be fine.

It's not rocket science. I know you're not stupid, so stop acting like it.

That's a great post, thank you. And it serves as a reply to all of the posts above.
Eating less meat, and especially eating/buying it more conciously is not that hard

I would be ready to pay more for meat if it would lead to better treatment of the animals but I am not ready to stop eating meat.

Depending on where you live, you might already have this option.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Fish is arguably the worst for the environment and can be bad for you because of mercury and the like. The good news is that fish is probably the most ethical to eat because they're so stupid. But then there's the environmental impact again which makes it less ethical.

But if you eat octopus/squid you're a monster.

fish aren't that stupid.

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-10-30/fish-dont-deserve-their-stupid-reputation-say-scientists/

there are more articles but I'm sure you can look it up yourself.
the point is we dont eat animals because they are dumb or not, we eat them based on how many calories we can get out of them, a big at cow can be split among many people.

Kind of sick of feeling like an asshole for enjoying some chicken, turkey, and pork here and there.

Not to be stubborn but I already limit my red meat and fish intake. I enjoy meat. It's flavorful and satisfying. It probably does factor into my diet once a day on average. Is it skippable? Absolutely, but I still enjoy it. And, if I don't buy and eat it then those animals are being slaughtered for nothing.

Call me when wide, sweeping change is upon us because until then, I'm participating in meat eating. Not going to let the people who need their daily McDoubles ruin it for the rest of us.

if you don't cut back on your consumption then there wont be any wide sweeping changes. have some courage and take that first step.

I vastly prefer eating pork and chicken.

How much less do they contribute in comparison?

I mean those lakes of pig shit don't disappear overnight.

I really shouldn't be surprised that there's an insane pro veg group on Neigaf, and yet..,

not as insane as the pro- meat group. I say this is as a meat eater.
newsflash : you will live just fine if you cut back on the bacon and steak. hell you may even save a few bucks.

 

[Fliesen]

im for this, i believe in eating meat sparingly

pretty much this.
I eat meat maybe ... once or twice a week?
Mainly due to me being too lazy to cook and my girlfriend being a vegetarian.

Makes the times i do eat meat even more special imho.

 

[Endorphineforeverybody]

Hm check out the charts for virtual water: im to stupid to post a pic and on mobile.

And than this is only the water side not methan or land loss in the production circle. Or the antibiotics or are eating with the meat, to not speak about the suffering and the outcome of overbreeding. Like chicken which can not stand because they are falling because the breasts (most expensive meat) are so *** big.

So do this world a favor and eat meat responsible and think a little bit more about the impact your daily decision have.

Edit: For the fish, first mercury levels are only a concern if you eat predators than you have high levels. The problem with fish is the open access problematic. To make it simple a open market will get people to extend their fishing cycle till the profits meet their expenses. This will result in an overfishing and the natural regeneration cycle for the fish can not be met. So in the long run fish will go exterminate.

And if you eat fish from the sea you eat a lot of micro plastic with it.

 

[Imperfected]

I mean those lakes of pig shit don't disappear overnight.

If it will stop Miyazaki from putting a lake of pig shit level in every Souls game he releases, I'll consider eating less pork.

 

[Mistake]

Arnold in the next Avatar confirmed

If I only eat vegetables I'm hungry in an hour, so no way

 

[Spenny]

Same here (well..shorter period). Carbs-heavy diet makes me gain weight extremely fast and I can't stop myself from overeating. Sorry, that just won't happen. I'm addicted to carbs, so telling me to control myself and just limit the portions makes as much sense as saying to alcoholic "drink just one glass of whisky every day".

And all those vegan diets are insanely stuffed with carbs. In the worst case scenario I could somehow manage on vegetarian diet, assuming I would still be able to eat fish and eggs, but pure vegan? No way. Not possible without turning my life into pure hell.

I joined up with the local vegan community for a few months in high school. It was okay. It made me hate factory farming. I only get my meat through a local co-op and hunting.

I went ketogenic after seeing a few relatives and family friends get adult onset diabetes. Fuck that. My cholesterol spiked at first but is now completely under contol. I've went from an athletic 210 to an even more lean 190. Its hard work but I've never had more energy and I've never felt better. I love it.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

Watch Cowspiracy people!


I can see the issues initially with instilling change in eating habits but I don't see how that's relevant here. This is not a transformative ask.

Are you for real?

 

[Davey Cakes]

If I only eat vegetables I'm hungry in an hour, so no way

Well, I'm pro-meat but if the problem is not being full enough then you can always eat things like nuts and legumes.

Chickpeas in salad, for example. Adds that starchy, filling quality. Beans and peanuts are also viable.

There are options. I agree that meat is really satisfying to eat though. That's one of the reasons I find it hard to drop.

 

[Hoo-doo]

"If they tell you to eat more meat to get strong, don't buy it?" ....Tell us how you got those guns then?

You get guns by eating healthy, lots of protein and a strict regimen of lifting weights.
I never really felt that eating a lot of meat entered into the equation unless we're talking about chicken to get more of that sweet, sweet protein goodness.

But then again i'm no fitness guru.

 

[Window]

Are you for real?

Did I really say something outrageous? I don't expect people to become vegans overnight (or at all), just reduce their current consumption of meat - not eliminate it.