princemarth23
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Haha, I've got to agree with you there.
It's definitely refreshing to have Arrow back; really solid premiere.
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ARROW Season 2 |OT| Back in a Flash
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Haha, I've got to agree with you there.
It's definitely refreshing to have Arrow back; really solid premiere.
Discotheque
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i think Laurel rivals her in appearance. but her personality is just a nosedive from felicity's.
anyways I'm betting black canary dethrones felicity this season in the thread.
King Allant
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god is so good to have arrow back. Love this eposide but don't like that Tommy effect that having on Oliver
Also don't like the look Slade having with the girl. Hope it doesn't end up being a love triangle
Also don't like the look Slade having with the girl. Hope it doesn't end up being a love triangle
I don't know if Queen CW has a clause in her contract to be in every CW show or not but Laurel and Ollie has NEGATIVE chemistry when they're together, whereas Felicity is so good with the team.
NinjaTehFish
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Specifically they mentioned Star Labs working on a new particle accelerator.
Just a bit on the nose
Really solid opener lots of action and lots of fun.
Also dat felicity.
FalconSabre
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That opener was so good. Felt like it's been forever since the last episode. I don't mind the change to Ollie not killing as I kind of hoped that they would do that arc last season pretty early, but I'm glad they've stretched it out like this. I can't wait for next week's to see what happens. Both Roy and Thea seemed to be a lot more enjoyable this season, which makes me really hopeful for when Roy eventually joins the team.
Also found a spoiler from KSite about next week's episode that may be old, but I never noticed before. I will spoiler tag is to be safe even though it's more of a hint at something than a detailed spoiler.
I'm very interested in who this pertains to.
Also found a spoiler from KSite about next week's episode that may be old, but I never noticed before. I will spoiler tag is to be safe even though it's more of a hint at something than a detailed spoiler.
"This episode has a surprise ending that might change one relationship for quite some time."
Tokubetsu
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Felt more natural to do this way imo. Have Ollie take a big loss before he decides to take the G A name and change tactics. Gotta destroy to rebuild.
EmptySpace
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anyone can tell felicity is getting so much more screen time than the supposed lead actress.
even oliver has more chemistry with his mom than laurel. the writers need to change her character fast.
even oliver has more chemistry with his mom than laurel. the writers need to change her character fast.
bucsfan0210
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Little easter egg i noticed...... The name of the news reporter in the episode is the same of the news reporter in the back of every DC comic book in the channel 52 news segment.
Discotheque
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nah, there's way more chemistry there too. I don't think it should ever happen though. But Laurel definitely needs to step her game up. I'd even be cool with recasting after this season if they want to make her so important to olliver.
beyond_death
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I stopped watching in the middle of last season but decided to watch the new episode. I really enjoyed it. I like that he decided to not kill (and hope he continues to) and I hope to god hes going to call himself Green Arrow.
Nah he'll call himself pointy tip
I didn't know this season was starting tonight until yesterday so this was a pleasant surprise. You don't realize how good the show is until it's gone and you're trying to enjoy shit like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. which I already gave up on.
This show is so much better than the first few episodes last year and it seems like it continues to grow into a better series so I hope it goes on for a long time. Just don't turn it into cameo city.
This show is so much better than the first few episodes last year and it seems like it continues to grow into a better series so I hope it goes on for a long time. Just don't turn it into cameo city.
Just finished the episode. Great freakin' start! I love the team dynamic between Ollie/Felicity/Dig.
I wasn't sure what to expect when you guys mentioned how much better Thea and Roy were but they both really delivered. I especially loved the scene with
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And wooot Walter!!
Summer is obviously being brought in as a love interest for Ollie, isn't she?
I wasn't sure what to expect when you guys mentioned how much better Thea and Roy were but they both really delivered. I especially loved the scene with
Moira and Thea, I felt it showed such character growth for both.
And wooot Walter!!
Summer is obviously being brought in as a love interest for Ollie, isn't she?
Lactose_Intolerant
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The cheap glade sets probably couldn't support all that wall spinning so they had change the way they coordinate the fights.
PhoncipleBone
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Having only caught random episodes here and there, the wife and I started marathoning season 1 tonight. Loving it so far. And amazing how on a CW budget this show can have better choreographed and shot fight scenes than the Nolan Batfilms.
Wiktor
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Great opener. Lots of developments on both island and in city.
I'm just very worried about the new no-kill Ollie. I don't mind Arrow not killing everybody he fights against, but I just hope he makes exceptions for the ones that really need it instead of going for Batman level of idiocy. Even in comic books it's requires huge suspension of disbelief, but in live action it just doesn't work.
I'm just very worried about the new no-kill Ollie. I don't mind Arrow not killing everybody he fights against, but I just hope he makes exceptions for the ones that really need it instead of going for Batman level of idiocy. Even in comic books it's requires huge suspension of disbelief, but in live action it just doesn't work.
Premiere was mighty fine. So glad to have the show back.
- Booooo @ possible wig upgrade for flashback Ollie. Proper levels of douchiness have to be maintained or the whole formula could collapse.
- Someone I was watching it with gave out a loud groan when Dylan Bruce came on screen, haha. Clearly his reputation precedes him. And of course he's paired up with Laurel.
- Thea seemed... a lot better than usual, actually. Her conversation with her mom had a few choice slurs but aside from that I really enjoyed that they managed to make her not feel like deadweight.
- Number one waifu Felicity is still is as good as ever.
- I almost cracked up when they went into the Arrowcave and Ollie gave an extended look at his pull-up rack. "Come to me, Ollie," it beckoned him further. "Let us be as one again."
The only possible criticisms I could have is that there wasn't enough Slade, Diggle, or workout scenes. But I know that's all coming. I've kept the faith.
- Booooo @ possible wig upgrade for flashback Ollie. Proper levels of douchiness have to be maintained or the whole formula could collapse.
- Someone I was watching it with gave out a loud groan when Dylan Bruce came on screen, haha. Clearly his reputation precedes him. And of course he's paired up with Laurel.
- Thea seemed... a lot better than usual, actually. Her conversation with her mom had a few choice slurs but aside from that I really enjoyed that they managed to make her not feel like deadweight.
- Number one waifu Felicity is still is as good as ever.
- I almost cracked up when they went into the Arrowcave and Ollie gave an extended look at his pull-up rack. "Come to me, Ollie," it beckoned him further. "Let us be as one again."
The only possible criticisms I could have is that there wasn't enough Slade, Diggle, or workout scenes. But I know that's all coming. I've kept the faith.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Fuckin' ACE premiere.
- Hey, Laurel's not completely useless now. Still sucks, but at least they're not currently pursuing a romantic relationship cause it's fucking weird. I did like her quip to the mayor about there not being any doors left on CNRI cause it got blown up. Otherwise, I faded out of consciousness when she showed up with Paul from Orphan Black.
- Thea in those shorts at the beginning, hnnnnnnnnnnng. Also, she seems a lot more mature and reasonable in this episode. I like the growth. Personality upgrade!
- Roy is not annoying. Wow. Personality upgrade!
- Walter's back! Fuck yeah! We need more of him. He's a great father figure for Oliver.
- Moira's still in prison. Makes sense. She did help kill five hundred people. Surprised they didn't toss her into Guantanamo Bay CAUSE THAT WAS FUCKING TERRORISM.
- Ollie's switch to "another way" feels earned. I like that. I do hope that he doesn't constantly go non-lethal cause... it's annoying. It runs into that whole "Why doesn't Batman kill the Joker" type of thing. Oliver doesn't wanna kill some random bodyguards or mooks? That's cool with me. But if we get a fucking hardcore psycho, he better put that guy in the ground.
- Felicity and Digg are baller as usual.
- Ollie running away to the island was awesome. Fits in character.
- Ollie's first incredibly vicious murder. Wow. Also, please don't let there be a love triangle!
- Slade's mask with the arrow through it. We saw it in the pilot, and it's here again. Makes me feel queasy.
- Summer Glau looks perpetually angry in this. LOL.
- "Officer" Lance. Damn. I guess everyone on the force hates him. But now he's Ollie's Commissioner Gordon. Personality Upgrade!
- Choreography was great.
- I like them sowing the seeds for The Flash (Particle Accelerator) and Brother Blood (Sebastian Blood for Alderman or whatever). I guess Blood will be the first of the Big Bads we're going after?
- Black Canary! Superior Black Canary with the superior ass. Was that actually Caity Lotz?
- Also, pirates! Why are they looking for graves? And they're all obviously dead. Since we saw their wrecked ship in the opening.
- Hey, Laurel's not completely useless now. Still sucks, but at least they're not currently pursuing a romantic relationship cause it's fucking weird. I did like her quip to the mayor about there not being any doors left on CNRI cause it got blown up. Otherwise, I faded out of consciousness when she showed up with Paul from Orphan Black.
- Thea in those shorts at the beginning, hnnnnnnnnnnng. Also, she seems a lot more mature and reasonable in this episode. I like the growth. Personality upgrade!
- Roy is not annoying. Wow. Personality upgrade!
- Walter's back! Fuck yeah! We need more of him. He's a great father figure for Oliver.
- Moira's still in prison. Makes sense. She did help kill five hundred people. Surprised they didn't toss her into Guantanamo Bay CAUSE THAT WAS FUCKING TERRORISM.
- Ollie's switch to "another way" feels earned. I like that. I do hope that he doesn't constantly go non-lethal cause... it's annoying. It runs into that whole "Why doesn't Batman kill the Joker" type of thing. Oliver doesn't wanna kill some random bodyguards or mooks? That's cool with me. But if we get a fucking hardcore psycho, he better put that guy in the ground.
- Felicity and Digg are baller as usual.
- Ollie running away to the island was awesome. Fits in character.
- Ollie's first incredibly vicious murder. Wow. Also, please don't let there be a love triangle!
- Slade's mask with the arrow through it. We saw it in the pilot, and it's here again. Makes me feel queasy.
- Summer Glau looks perpetually angry in this. LOL.
- "Officer" Lance. Damn. I guess everyone on the force hates him. But now he's Ollie's Commissioner Gordon. Personality Upgrade!
- Choreography was great.
- I like them sowing the seeds for The Flash (Particle Accelerator) and Brother Blood (Sebastian Blood for Alderman or whatever). I guess Blood will be the first of the Big Bads we're going after?
- Black Canary! Superior Black Canary with the superior ass. Was that actually Caity Lotz?
- Also, pirates! Why are they looking for graves? And they're all obviously dead. Since we saw their wrecked ship in the opening.
Ugh, they're forcing a lot of plot points. Laurel's excuse for hating Arrow is preposterous and Oliver not killing because Tommy thought he was a murderer ignores that Tommy had forgiven him.
Don't like this Arrow nice guy too. Hitting guns with arrows, really? Looks like a bad western where the good guy is shooting at the guns to defeat the bad guys.
Btw is it just me or has the acting of the actress who plays Laurel improved?
Don't like this Arrow nice guy too. Hitting guns with arrows, really? Looks like a bad western where the good guy is shooting at the guns to defeat the bad guys.
Btw is it just me or has the acting of the actress who plays Laurel improved?
Yeah same, I really enjoyed season 1 because for the first time in a long time it was about a vigilante who wasn't afraid to off people for the greater good. Felt refreshing and fit Ollie's personality, now, eh, just feels forced. Everything else about the episode was great, I still don't get the Laurel hate; I think she's in a good position this season working at the DA.
Razgriz-Specter
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As much as I loved season one, Ollie killing people left and right then getting pissed at Helena was stupid(until she advanced to killing police).
They're pretty much starting to kill everything that made Arrow as a show unique. Oliver is now is super nice guy, no anger left in him and is shooting arrows at guns because his friend called him a murderer once when he was pissed off. I'll keep watching but this wasn't a great start.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Great premiere, glad to have Arrow back. Definitely caught the foreshadowing for The Flash in there, going to be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Also glad Felicity and Diggle are getting plenty of screentime. This show is all about Team Arrow, not just Oliver.
Also glad Felicity and Diggle are getting plenty of screentime. This show is all about Team Arrow, not just Oliver.
karasu
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Helena was nus but those conflicts made Ollie look stupid. "Killing is wrong! If you don't stop it, I'm going to kill you!"
evil solrac v3.0
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wait a minute, why does Laurel think Tommy died caught int he crossfire of the two archers?
Discotheque
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I think some rubble hit her head when she was escaping that building in the finale
Because that made no sense
Wiktor
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Because it's easier than to admit that Tommy died because she needed to fucking get the damn documents?
Wiktor
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Yeah. That was weird. Just shoot them in the shoulder/legs if you don't want to kill them.
He doesn't have to kill people left and right (though he was definitely justified in doing so, he killed mafiosos, goons, and crazies); the way it sounds it's as if they are going the batman route with the absolute no kill rule from here on out. I really hope I'm wrong and he still puts an arrow into the people that deserve it.
Because the writers couldn't find another way to make the character hate the Hood. It's so fucking lazy it's not even funny.
No. Isabel Rochev is a villain from Green Arrow comic books.
http://www.comicvine.com/isabel-rochev/4005-71753/
*sigh* It makes me sad how much people hates Laurel. Katie Cassidy is actually a good actress. She was great in "Supernatural" as Ruby and pretty good in "Harper's Island" and "Melrose Place". It's just that the writers of "Arrow" don't give her character much depth or interesting storyline. She's always moral high ground, moral high ground, judging you Oliver you evil cheater, moral high ground, moral high ground, etc. Is it any wonder that we don't like her?
Napoleonthechimp
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"So... what you do want to be called?"
Say it!! SAY IT!!!
*credits*
Nooooo!
Say it!! SAY IT!!!
*credits*
Nooooo!
I was really hoping they'd put in a wall flip as a call back to last season, but alas... it wasn't to be.
The no kill rule is completely justified. A big part of season one was pointing out that Ollie really had no good reason to justify his killing. Though both got over their misgivings, both Diggle and Felicity pointed out what a insane crusade this was and Ollie's only answer to them "Da List!!!!" (To be fair, he did start to switch to intimidation by time Felicity joined up. But, even here we see he was already trying to avoid killing everybody he came across.) Then we have the situations with Huntress and to a lesser extent the subway killer who got Roy, where when confronted with another vigilante, Ollie's justifications for why his brand of vigilante murdering is cool but theirs isn't are so terrible they brought down those episodes. Then, when Tommy finds out, he decides not to be an enabler and dance around it like Dig and Felicity and just calls Ollie what he is: a serial killer. Hell, he had to be on his death bed to forgive Ollie. And even with that forgiveness, Ollie clearly knows Tommy did not approve of him killing and would not were he still alive, as tonight's episode shows.
So really, all the seeds for non-lethal Ollie were planted in season one. The situation with the Hoods - who have taken Ollie's crusade, name, and spiffy catchphrase, thus making them more on the nose than last season's vigilantes - presented him with yet another mirror. Except this time, instead of performing the sort of mental gymnastics that would put the console zealots in gaming side to shame, Ollie finally accepts that he really isn't that different from these killers.
This episode was all about the changing of Ollie's mission. Rather than being his father's assassin, killing to right the old man's wrongs, he's now seeking to honor Tommy's memory by helping save the city Tommy's father destroyed and Oliver himself failed to save. But honoring Tommy's memory means he can't keep killing people because Tommy did not and would not approve.
I understand the disappointment from those who enjoyed the killing, but the show was building towards this.
So really, all the seeds for non-lethal Ollie were planted in season one. The situation with the Hoods - who have taken Ollie's crusade, name, and spiffy catchphrase, thus making them more on the nose than last season's vigilantes - presented him with yet another mirror. Except this time, instead of performing the sort of mental gymnastics that would put the console zealots in gaming side to shame, Ollie finally accepts that he really isn't that different from these killers.
This episode was all about the changing of Ollie's mission. Rather than being his father's assassin, killing to right the old man's wrongs, he's now seeking to honor Tommy's memory by helping save the city Tommy's father destroyed and Oliver himself failed to save. But honoring Tommy's memory means he can't keep killing people because Tommy did not and would not approve.
I understand the disappointment from those who enjoyed the killing, but the show was building towards this.
I don't think she means he literally died in the crossfire. Rather, the battle between the two archers claimed Tommy. Which...is what happened. Tommy was a causality of the Undertaking and the war between Merlyn and the Hood.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Goddam Felicity and that last outfit. Screw everyone who jumped on the bandwagon, it don't need no credit card to ride this train.
Vert boil
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http://www.abload.de/gallery.php?key=umjOvQUA
Arrow: Tarzan, Turning head ugh, Looking up, NotTheGuyYouKill special, New bow, Getting angry, Beating guy with rock, Reaction after rocking out, Up up and away
Black Canary: Beating guys, Leaving the fight, Close up shot
Diggle: Eyebrows, Amused
Felicity: One Potato, Two Potato, Bonks guy on the head, Window stunt, Amazed she survived,
Moira: Don't fuck with prison Moira
Queen Laurel: Walking down stairs, Punching guy, In shock,
Slade: Stick training, Smiling with Oliver after training, Cheap shot on Ollie, Let's eat
Speedy: Hmm, Smiling, Walks away/looks back/walks off,
At least someone touched the bagels
Hoods walking through club
Parachute
dragonelite
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Ooh shit episode is almost down the pipes first gonna set a cup of tea and enjoy it..
And subscribed to this thread too....
And subscribed to this thread too....
Tokubetsu
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Yea, this. I think it would have been more interesting honestly if they didn't have her back on her feet so quickly. Maybe get her into the DA's office later in the season. Instead we get a substantial job upgrade and a resolving of her feelings (Tommy betrayal etc) all off screen.
dragonelite
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Dat summer glau chick stone cold i like it....
And dat felicity someone hold me, not enough blood is going too my brain..
And dat felicity someone hold me, not enough blood is going too my brain..
Because it's easier than to admit that Tommy died because she needed to fucking get the damn documents?
She really needs to be called out on this.
Give it some time, tbh. That can be dealt with a few more episodes later. And of course, it is ALWAYS easy to redirect your hate outwards as opposed to accepting your own responsibility in a situation.
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