Final Crisis is the best.
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Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire
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Final Crisis is the best.
Based on the show, I'm certain they only had Ra's, Nyssa, Maseo, Sara, Malcolm and that one mook Sara and Oliver had to take out together.
While I do like this season a little more than S3 (and didn't hate 3 the way a lot of people did anyway), it is becoming more and more clear that Guggenheim and Mericle are really poor showrunners. If Kreisberg and Berlanti had a similar approach to plotting, they did a much better job of hiding it.
Jorok Goldblade
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Malcolm takes over HIVE, renames it The League of Assassins
Kreisberg and Berlanti both have a background in monster of the week type shows, which is where they really shine. Guggenheim and Mericle have backgrounds in drama and romcoms. They really aren't fit for showrunning.
You're stretching here... Guggenheim has solid credentials alongside Kreisberg and Berlanti. Mericle only became a showrunner in S4. And Kreisberg and Berlanti are still EPs. Let's not pretend we know who's contributing what until they tell us, they're all working on this universe together.
Also Berlanti has six shows on the air and a pilot for a seventh, that workaholic.
Betlanti was a producer on Pan. I can never forgive him for that.
That doesn't mean they're involved in the nitty gritty of plotting and writing -- and given the notable difference in quality between S1/2 and S3/4, they clearly aren't.
Kreisberg is the Flash showrunner and, like you said, Berlanti produces a half dozen shows, so neither can possibly have the time to have a meaningful influence on Arrow now.
(Besides, of course they're "still EPs," they created the show. They're not going lose that credit no matter what they do or don't do going forward.)
Actually I'm pretty sure they're still involved in overall plotting, at least last season they were involved in the overall arc of the show and contributed to stories. And as most of us agree that S4 is an improvement, so read into that however you want. Trying to pinpoint credits or blame certain people isn't a game you'll win or at least reach a satisfying conclusion. Especially as writer credits don't tell the whole story
Unless it's something like Harmon or Palladino being ousted and there's definitive evidence their presence was lacking as they had zero involvement. Even then I wouldn't put all the blame on the new show runners but that's a very different situation.
Berlanti has Story By credits on 16 Arrow episodes, Kreisberg has 8 Story By Credits and 2 written episodes. By all accounts, they are not the main writers and they never were. Although, Berlanti does interfere still a lot on the different shows when it comes to writing.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/greg-berlanti-juggling-six-shows-828398
Those credits don't tell the full story Joni. Often EPs/showrunners partially (re)write scripts and just give the credits to other writers. We have little to no idea who contributed what, especially since the shows like to credit multiple writers.
Like I would assume Kreisberg has written way more on Flash than he's credited for. His sole writing credits seem to be because he likes Trickster.
Maybe he should just hire whatever.
League of Mercenaries.
League of Janitors.
League of Legends.
League of Union of Workers.
As a supporting writer, he might be involved in any capacity, that is true. But it is also something where the existence of six shows doesn't really matter, as their writers rooms are probably all in one spot. LoT writer Sarah Nicole Jones posted on February 12th she was flying up to Canada, a day after Guggenheim tweeted her episode started filming.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I just realized the rooftop sequence was basically Oliver and Nyssa renewing their vows. They're already married, they exchanged gifts, their friends were there, and it ended with him putting a ring on her finger. 😂
I liked the episode. I'm glad Felicity wasn't gullible, it was actually a really smart way to end that little mini arc with her dad. She verified her suspicions, and captured The Calculator without getting the rest of Team Arrow deeply involved.
Merlyn losing a hand is pretty tragic, considering his quick hands are how he got his League of Assassins name.
I liked the episode. I'm glad Felicity wasn't gullible, it was actually a really smart way to end that little mini arc with her dad. She verified her suspicions, and captured The Calculator without getting the rest of Team Arrow deeply involved.
Merlyn losing a hand is pretty tragic, considering his quick hands are how he got his League of Assassins name.
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TheGreatDirector
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Nah, he'll call it the League of Shadows.
brotkasten
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He should call it the LoA.
League of Assholes.
Because that's all what Merlyn is these days.
League of Assholes.
Because that's all what Merlyn is these days.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Lame (as in disabled) Ollie Antagonists.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
They're going to put Meryln in charge of S.H.A.D.E because he's so good at throwing it.
BewareTheBatsie
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The problem is the writers bending completely over the line of logic as to why they should keep Malcolm alive. Oliver has looked not only like an idiot, but also like a damn psychopath in a way of doing so. His only excuse of why he can't kill Malcolm is what it will do to Thea. Given that Malcolm manipulated Thea into killing Sara to save his own neck and was willing to let her die just because he didn't want to give up the ring, I think Thea might be okay if her asshole father was killed after all that happened.
Ollie is still feeling bad because he can't be there for his own kid.
- Promo for tomorrow's episode *Spoilers*
Yeah I'm not sure why Oliver keeps trotting out the "he's Thea's father, they could still have a normal relationship" line when Thea clearly gives no shits about Malcolm.
And to the point, why would Oliver want Thea to have a relationship with Malcolm anyway? He's a mass murderering terrorist! There will never be anything normal about that relationship and it's crazy irresponsible for Oliver to keep pushing for it to happen. The guy already manipulated Thea into murderering Sara after training her to be a killer, he's clearly a bad influence.
That's what happens when the season is a disaster
You should Bleach GAF. "Well, I guess it wasn't absolute shit this week" is as positive as it gets.
What fun things are in store for Felicity in tonight's new episode?
#4.14 "Code of Silence"
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#4.14 "Code of Silence"
Extended Promo
BrokenFiction
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What fun things are in store for Felicity in tonight's new episode?
#4.14 "Code of Silence"
Extended Promo
LMAO - I see what you did there.
I find that topic still enjoyable, because we wallow in our misery there.
You clearly forgot the part where Felicity dies her hair pink.
What fun things are in store for Felicity in tonight's new episode?
#4.14 "Code of Silence"
Extended Promo
lol at that last part.
Hopefully we get some good old relationship drama tonight.
I'll PM you spoilers
Freddy=Legend
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Here we go.
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