PHOENIXZERO
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Earth 2 Felecity who never got through her goth phase is going to show up bring the Ferocity, she'll also be reoccurring.
EDIT: Dammit should've refreshed.
EDIT: Dammit should've refreshed.
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Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire
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dead souls
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EBR going all Tatiana Maslany would be worth it for the meltdowns.
Make it happen Arrow producers.
Mix Master
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Olicity
On another note It also really, really saddens me to see folks say "Laurel was dragging the show down, Laurel was bloat."
1. Why not write her off instead of giving her a death that fell flatter than a 2 week old soda.
2. how is Laurel bloat and Felicity Mama drama and most of her stupid scenes not bloat?
The writers let Laurel down, plain and simple.
brotkasten
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Barry Allen.
Do The CW's Superhero Shows Have a Big, Bad Villain Problem?
Little think piece from TVLine. They're right though, they really need to up the big bad quality to match an ex-CBS show like Supergirl.
I think Darhk was probably the best overall, he had presence and wasn't let down by acting, mostly just the events going on around him.
Little think piece from TVLine. They're right though, they really need to up the big bad quality to match an ex-CBS show like Supergirl.
I think Darhk was probably the best overall, he had presence and wasn't let down by acting, mostly just the events going on around him.
Razgriz-Specter
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This is why I enjoyed Gotham so much this year.
We had an original character as the big bad and he was great, carrying himself next to Batman's A-listers.
That gets wrapped up mid season and then slowly new threats creeped in(both new and old) the real villains are revealed and taken care of by the final which also sets up something even better next season.
Pretty much all the stuff with the main villains was personal as well, and nobody felt like they were there just to be there.
Nothing overstayed it's welcome.
Plasticine
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All three Big Bads were pretty terrible this year.
Damian Darhk was a bridge too far, and way too over-powered. He took Arrow away from what it does best and introduced a bunch of really shaky supernatural junk that never came together. He was also over-powered to the point where Team Arrow only survived because he allowed it. It simply wasn't compelling enough to last 23 episodes. That said, he was the best villain this year if only because Neal McDonough can really chew the scenery.
Zoom sucked. The only thing more ridiculous than his identity was his evil schemes. Using another Speedster villain so soon was a mistake. So much of the story felt like a repeat of the Reverse Flash stuff, only not as compelling. They did their best to make it personal, but I just wasn't feeling it. All of his confrontations with Barry (and it felt like there was many!) were repetitive until the end.
Vandal Savage made me stop watching Legends of Tomorrow. He just wasn't compelling or interesting. His whole deal with the Hawk Folk didn't help.
I hope all three shows really re-think their approaches to the Big Bad. Arrow needs to get back to basics. Forget the supernatural junk. Maybe return to the idea of Ollie trying to save the city from the evil within it. Do a mini-boss who reveals the real Big Bad for the second half of the season. Just really focus the plot and make all 23 episodes feel important for once.
You know they figure that out in the last two episodes and unceremoniously jettison both him and the Hawks, right?
Plasticine
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That's hilarious. I completely tuned out the show. I figured they were rebooting it next season, so I didn't feel the need to keep up. Did they rush a villain to take his place?
Nah they still use Savage until the end but they really stop caring and just kill him as fast as possible. Then everyone gets character building scenes except the Hawks who just say "we're out" and fly away and that's that.
They are casting
a charismatic guy that is just as easily shake your hand as your best friend or break your neck as your worst enemy and you never know which one is coming. Either way, hes more than capable of having a good time as he does it
Because Dahrk banishing Laurel from the city just doesn't feel as interesting.
Donna doesn't fight, and she is easy to write out of scenes when necessary.
I would love if for pieces like that, they'd just try and get a bit of feedback from the producers.
MHWilliams
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Nah, they dispatched Savage and the showrunners couldn't figure out anything to do with the Hawks next season, so they're gone. Casting calls for two new regulars next year, reportedly male and female.
Undead Fantasy
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I'm loving Darhk (Currently at episode 9) but better than Reverse Flash?
Edit: I guess you mean this season right?
Best overall for the season, not the universe.
And the fans rejoiced it for being the best finale of the year based on that scene.
MHWilliams
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Sometimes it's best to just put a character in a bin if you have nothing to do with them. I understand showrunners are reticent to do that, because these are actors who need a paycheck. Hard to tell someone you've been working with, "Nah, I don't have any ideas for your character this season," but it has to happen.
NewGamePlus
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Arrow S5 |OT| No, you can't call the thread Daredevil S3
Calm waterfall
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WTF at the bolded part.
Felicity´s character took a huge dive to become obnoxious annoying character. The less time she is on screen the better for me. Unless her character improves a great deal, and the Ollicity ship dies. Because Ollicity brings the whole show down, a lot, because the romance and drama are so badly written.
Plasticine
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Subpar Spatula
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Shitty acting, with shitty dialogue, centered around her relationship with Oliver, and constantly whines. There's nothing sexist about disliking this character.
You can make a compelling relationship but if the entire thing is about drama then people will hate it. How about the show runners have Olicity be a functional relationship? Yeah, that's a new one for them.
Her final scene of the season was just standing her next to Oliver, supporting him. Not whining, not about romance, just her being there for her friend. People hated it.
Go back to the beginning of the topic. The Olicity haters got exactly what they wanted: a break-up.
Subpar Spatula
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And we're too forget about those wink wink nudge nudge moment throughout the episodes that were clearly to hint that their relationship?
When they start writing the characters are functioning people who don't need to talk about their relationship then people will start to come back.
Hate is 100% well deserved because their entire relationship was god awful.
BewareTheBatsie
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I can't get over the edited filter they give the Green Arrow suit in some scenes this season to make it appear brighter instead of the near black color it actually has. Should have designed the damn thing brighter.
Subpar Spatula
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Yeah, the whole nuke talk when they were standing by Felicity's station isn't a nod to that.
I'm surprised their are Olicity defenders. Like, this is one the most brain-dead, awful, terribly written, annoying relationships written on TV that hammered you with it for a long time.
I ask again: why drag every one through this shit when they could write them as not being so fucking dramatic?
Defend all you want no one will care, it was shit and people are saying it was shit.
Mix Master
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I agree, Personally I feel that Guggenheim, Mericle, and the writers are self inserting themselves into the story. Cute nerd girl gets with guy out of her league! Not to mention all the Retweets they give to oliciters, but it's their show, who the fuck am I to stand in their way?
On the state of Villains Vandal Savege's blue jacket was baller so i'll give him that.
It wasn't.
They did, people were still complaining.
And those people are ruining the show. If you hate a show, just drop it. People hating that relationship, attacking one element of the relationship even when it has nothing to do with that relationship makes them seem like a sexist, because they are.
Subpar Spatula
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It's not sexist to hate a really awful portrayal of a relationship.
Relationship was never functional and only provided cringe and annoyance. If you believe otherwise then you watched a completely different show from, obviously, most others.
The viewers who think that the Olicity relationship is, by and large, terribly written soap opera melodrama pandering bullshit that dominates the entire show are the ones ruining Arrow? Could've fooled me, I would have thought that'd be the writers' fault.
Yes, the bitching on it is more annoying than anything in the show.
WrenchNinja
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If it annoys you so much, why not just put people on ignore?
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I suppose hate-reading posts can be a thing.
WrenchNinja
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Yeah, I guess you've got a point there.
Shouldn't have to. When I read posts and I get the feeling people are near mental breakdown level, it gets real old real fast.
Because I might want to read their posts in other topics. Because people still quote ignored people. Because ignoring people actually doesn't make the new posts icon go away. Because I think that maybe, they should just learn to quit stuff if they don't like it. I have dropped shows on mass this season, even I'm in a third season or later. I dropped Criminal Minds in season 11 because I wasn't up to watching it week by week anymore. It is not that hard if you truly dislike a show.
WrenchNinja
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Well they shouldn't have to stop posting because you can't handle people shitting on the show.
Like bus said, some people enjoy hateverbing. Others might still like other aspects of the show. They'll probably learn to quit the show when you learn to ignore them. So since neither of that is going to happen, guess you're to have to deal with people bitching just like they're dealing with your bitching about bitching.
I can't really think of a good reason to be shitting on the show. Being critical is one thing, saying "this is garbage" is a wasted post and I have no interest in that kind of posting. In civil conversation if you don't like something else, and you're with a group of people enthusiastic about it, you keep your mouth shut and don't engage. I'd prefer that GAF can be the one place people can maintain that same level of civility online, otherwise we have Reddit, Twitter, Facebook etc.
If someone truly can't keep themselves from letting the hate flow, I do hit them with an ignore. Only a few Arrow posters atm.
Perfection
WrenchNinja
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But we're not talking about pornography
There's no enjoyment though. At all. Just people whining about the same shit every week. And yes, it shits up the thread.
So we'll feel free to ridicule them for watching a show they don't like and for shitposting.
WrenchNinja
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Personally I enjoy all of the complaining about the show and find this whole thing thats happening very entertaining so I don't know. I kind of prefer it over the usual thing that happens in OTs where it's only a place for people who like the game or show and pushes out anyone else
sure, just as long as you understand that you're contributing to the shitposting you so loathe by engaging with it instead of doing the simple thing that you're coming up with excuses not to do
KonradLaw
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Out of all Berlanti's shows Arrow is the one that never had a villain problem. Even if everything else is breaking the villains remain high quality as a whole. They might get some misteps here and there, but it's never anything close to fatal. Arrow easily has the best villains in superhero tv.
In fact, the worst argument you can raise against Arrow when it comes to villains is the show not having enough of them. As the main problem with Ra's was that he appeared a bit too late and Darkh's had to be delayed for few eps, which in reality should have been used to fit mini-villain instead of pausing Darkh. But even when Darkh was running in place he was still pure delight to watch.
OdysseusVA
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You're making too much sense. Stop.
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