EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Let's do this! lol
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Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire
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Let's do this! lol
I wouldn't even be surprised if this used this tbh.
Discotheque
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Okay, good job on the OT.
For posterity:
we all fucking wanted this and got this instead:
that's literally what the promo pics look like moreso than magneto tbh
Poodlestrike
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we all fucking wanted this and got this instead:
that's literally what the promo pics look like moreso than magneto tbh
Oh, c'mon. Nobody actually wanted Kato.
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Right?
They played us for fools. It's not any guardian, he is the shape- and gendershiftingwe all fucking wanted this and got this instead:
that's literally what the promo pics look like moreso than magneto tbh
I was thinking more of
Oliver : I need to catch a movie with Tea .. what time the movie starts ?
Felicity : Let me hack the FBI to see if I can get the time for you
PHOENIXZERO
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All Felicity all the time! Her fans and Olicity shippers wish it and their wishes are Guggie's command.
As some of us had to repeatedly say last season, this is not what caused Arrow's shittiness, the only one that really went over was Andrew Kreisberg since he was The Flash's primary show runner. Everyone else was pretty much the same.
As some of us had to repeatedly say last season, this is not what caused Arrow's shittiness, the only one that really went over was Andrew Kreisberg since he was The Flash's primary show runner. Everyone else was pretty much the same.
Maybe we're in for a surprise.
Greatest OT of all time?
Why yes it is.
Why yes it is.
Just binge it through, that way you won't have time to ponder on the bad stuff.
the_firewithin
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I still believe that S3 had a lot of good ideas and just fumbled the execution of most of them. The theme of identity is something the show needed to process and while we're now at Green Arrow (yay!), I don't think we're we need to be with Oliver Queen just yet. Especially as Felicity now wears the financial pants in the relationship.
Laurel and Speedy get slow heroic transformations, which makes sense instead of becoming overnight sensations. Speedy's got Lazarus repercussions too so maybe we'll get a bit of a Dick and Damien thing going on with her and Ollie which would be awesome. Diggle finally stopped putting up with Oliver's bullshit. Merlyn will continue to swiggity swagger all over the show, which is honestly a little pointless but it's Barrowman so I'll take it. Nyssa can finally get laid again. Lance gets to call everyone out on their shit. Mostly happy where everyone ended up after S3, it just wasn't very fun getting there.
Laurel and Speedy get slow heroic transformations, which makes sense instead of becoming overnight sensations. Speedy's got Lazarus repercussions too so maybe we'll get a bit of a Dick and Damien thing going on with her and Ollie which would be awesome. Diggle finally stopped putting up with Oliver's bullshit. Merlyn will continue to swiggity swagger all over the show, which is honestly a little pointless but it's Barrowman so I'll take it. Nyssa can finally get laid again. Lance gets to call everyone out on their shit. Mostly happy where everyone ended up after S3, it just wasn't very fun getting there.
Cipher Peon
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What are you looking for when you say that we're not where we need to be at with Ollie?
I'm all for character development, but I really hope we never get goatee hippie Green Arrow. I'm super happy with Green "Not Batman" Arrow
LightOfTruth
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MHWilliams
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Oh fuck super hippie Green Arrow don't get me wrong, but Oliver Queen is still barely a character. We've got a guy who's Star City royalty with big connections, sway and family/Palmer/Merlyn money and he's spent the last two seasons in the hideout. Comes back to Barry's lines from the crossover...
Looks like they're trying to fix that a bit with the political plot and the Green Arrow identity but it's still half measures. Ray was actively trying to help the city as both the ATOM and his civilian identity but Oliver still pretty much just defaults to the Arrow for everything.
The juxtaposition between Ray and Oliver would have worked a lot better if the Felicity love triangle wasn't a huge distraction.
Finished the third season finally.
Basically, it wasn't as bad as people said. Since Oliver and Felicity didn't really get together until way later in the season, but it's definitely much, much worse than season 2.
There were still a lot of good episodes, especially The Climb, which to me is the best Arrow episode of all time.
The final 3 episodes however, is probably the worst finale I've ever seen for any TV show. That was a big-ass troll job done by the writers, good job Marc Guggenheim.
Basically, it wasn't as bad as people said. Since Oliver and Felicity didn't really get together until way later in the season, but it's definitely much, much worse than season 2.
There were still a lot of good episodes, especially The Climb, which to me is the best Arrow episode of all time.
The final 3 episodes however, is probably the worst finale I've ever seen for any TV show. That was a big-ass troll job done by the writers, good job Marc Guggenheim.
I know how much people love the Arrowverse, but I still think interconnecting everything is a recipe for a jumbled mess. This is only my opinion, but having "lots of interconnected plots" across three shows will result in sloppy continuity, disjointed storytelling, and too much fan service.
It's already very challenging to maintain quality across a 22-23 episode season, which typically results in a lot of filler episodes. But now you want to interconnect all these shows's events and plots together? Ehhh...I guess it's good for CW because a shared universe = audiences will be watching all three shows.
I think Netflix will do a better job when it comes to pulling off a shared television universe. Netflix only orders 13 episodes per show (Daredevil, Jessica Jones) and the seasons aren't released at the same time, which makes it easier for writers to plan everything carefully.
One last thing: I think Berlanti, Guggenheim, and Kreisberg are juggling way too many DC shows at this point. It's turning into Seth MacFarlane syndrome where he had Family Guy, American Dad, and Cleveland Show all running at the same time, with different showrunners. Or when The Simpsons had a noticeable decline in quality once Matt Groening focused his attention more on Futurama in 1999-2000.
Also, can we expect Arrow's production budget to continue shrinking now that CW is funding four comic book shows?
BKatastrophe
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And so it begins....
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I just want their relationship to end and for Oliver to get back with Laurel(which won't ever happen unfortunately).
Well I think the idea is that most of the interconnected elements will converge in episodes 8 and then Legends of Tomorrow will pick up the slack and the other two shows can be more focused from there. Also gives them something to do in the first half of the season when the wheels are turning slowly and it's mostly episodic anyway.
RatskyWatsky
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I haven't been keeping up with Arrow-news - what kind of stuff are they doing this year?
Coffee Dog
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Killing felicity would be dumb because it would make ollie's love life a center plot point again. Leave oliver and felicity as a happy couple for a season or two so hopefully other things can be focused on. Please.
MHWilliams
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People are letting their hate blind them. It's best to good with this status quo and hope they can annoy you less with it.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I'm just sitting here, absorbing everything this thread is throwing at me, and absolutely loving it. I missed you guys.
constanine showing up, allegedly brightening up Oliver, letting magic and powers center the show.
Spikematic
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I really hope this season shapes up because I really don't want to tolerate Felicity Season 5. They've completely ruined her character for me personally, from a quirky, adorable and fiesty hacker chick to a whiney, sobbing, needy, serial superhero-fucker. I wonder if she's going to find another DC hero to hook up with this season (because of course no way her and Oliver last, need more CW drama).
Also, that Diggle in the Blackneto gear... ugh...
Also, that Diggle in the Blackneto gear... ugh...
Miles Quaritch
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This made me laugh more than it should have.
Seriously though, I do hope that Malcolm has already resurrected him and he's in training somewhere and will show up midway through the season as a bad ass who takes Roy's place as Arsenal.
nocturnalis
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I don't mind Jaden. I think he's a funny kid. But if he fucks with Nightwing...
It would be tight if Meryln tried to resurrect Tommy but plot twist, Ra's already resurrected him and brainwashed him to act as a failsafe in case he died.
nocturnalis
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sorry double post.
I don't see that happening at all.
RatskyWatsky
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That sounds promising...
Groening had very little to do with the quality of either show.
Just watch it. The characters all have good and important story lines
From someone who watched the entire Dexter series, believe me it can always get worse
Watch it, it's hilariously awful.
Its alright as long as you arent looking for story and are ok with repeating character reactions
CreeperBlocks
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Someone should remake the Felicity opening with Felicity from Arrow
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