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Arstechnica: Would you consider a disc-free console option?

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/03/would-you-consider-a-disc-free-console-option/

To be clear here, I'm not saying we should do away with games on physical media entirely. The industry probably isn't ready for that for a number of reasons we'll touch on below. Instead, I'm suggesting that Sony and Microsoft could offer new versions of their consoles, without a disc drive, to sell alongside the standard disc-enabled version.

With one less bulky moving part contributing to production costs (not to mention reliability issues/support costs), the disc-free versions of these consoles could probably sell for considerably less than their disc-bound counterparts (a decent PC Blu-Ray drive currently costs around $50 or more, for some context). Console makers might be willing to lower the hardware's selling price even further for the benefit of locking players into their online store, where sales don't go through a retail middleman (and where the royalty-free resale of used games, which some publishers compare to piracy, doesn't exist).

The lower hardware-production costs could alternatively be folded into more built-in storage for the disc-free system, to store all of those big downloads. All the major consoles now sell downloadable versions of every retail game, so the disc-free version wouldn't be missing out on any software. And without a bulky disc drive taking up space, a download-only console could be considerably smaller.

Those responses suggest there would definitely be some market for the disc-free option in the console market. But I also heard from plenty of people who wouldn't be ready to get rid of their own personal console disc drive just yet. The most common reasons included:

- Resale/purchasing of used games: Many respondents felt the savings on the disc-free console hardware would barely make a dent in the savings they already get reselling their old disc-based games when they're done with them. Others pointed out that disc-based games are often cheaper than their downloadable counterparts, whether via old games in bargain bins or deals like Amazon Prime's new game discounts (though downloadable console games are often subject to deep discounts as well). One respondent even noted that his monthly GameFly subscription would be useless on a disc-free console.

- Slow, unreliable, and/or capped Internet access: In many parts of the world (and even the United States), broadband quality isn't good enough to reasonably download games that can run dozens of gigabytes. Even where broadband quality is good enough, some people don't want to have to wait for downloads or worry about data caps on their home connection.

- Preservation: Downloads might be convenient now, but in 15 years, when your console or hard drive dies and the servers to redownload the game (and/or confirm your legitimate purchase) have been shut down, you might be out of luck. Disc-based games are more likely to "just work" in the long run, even if you have to buy replacement hardware.

- Travel convenience: Being able to simply loan a disc to a friend or take a disc over to someone's house is a lot easier than trying to lug an entire system along or signing in and downloading a game on a different console.

- Physical movies: No disc drive means no way to play your existing library of DVDs or Blu-Ray discs through the console.

I'm not against the idea of offering a digital-only version of a console for people who don't care about what they'll lose, but overall there's still a lot of work to be done for digital-only to be a serious consideration for me. Right now, what we might gain in size and hardware costs we'll lose in flexibility and consumer rights and I'm not ok with that.
 

BigEmil

Junior Member
No thanks.
If they want they can put additional DRM on physical media like one disc usable on only 3 console activations I'll be cool with that.
 

Wagram

Member
I'm cool with a disc free option as long as it's sold alongside an option with one, but the answer will always remain a resounding no if it's the only option.
 

NOLA_Gaffer

Banned
For a console? Nope. I was only willing to let it go for the PSPgo because of the size of the hardware. For a console that's gonna sit in a TV stand the negatives outweigh the positives.

There's already a disc-free console in the market.

The Nintendo Switch.

This hypothetical removes retail software from the equation altogether.
 
No.

Too many critically acclaimed AAA dumpster fires. I went mostly digital for the last few years, but I think I'm actually done with that now that I've been burned a few times.
 
PC is basically digital only at this point and I play on PC, so sure, I would consider it.

But as long as the pricing on digital console storefronts is as bad as it is for newer games, no way.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
I don't think making a separate version of the hardware for the extremely small minority of people who definitively won't buy one or the other has any value, but certainly I don't see a problem with console manufacturers deciding to focus on the most profitable 75% of their audience instead of the least profitable 25%.
 

Cess007

Member
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According to a quick google search the optical drive cost less than $30 back in 2013. I imagine it's even less now. Might save $15-20. Yipee?
 
I would but I'd wait longer to make a purchase.

I only going to buy one and I don't want to have a bunch of digital games I can't sell in case I made the wrong choice and want to switch over.
 

qko

Member
There's already a disc-free console in the market.

The Nintendo Switch.

There was also the DS, 3DS, GBA which were disc-less...

I think OP must be talking about a non input device console. I could go for this kind of console only if you are allowed to connect an External Hard Drive or expandable memory.

If we're talking about iphones or ipads where all you get is 16/32/64 GBs and Cloud storage. Then no.
 
Yep. I mean, I basically already do this on PC. I literally don't have a disc drive. If the Switch had come out and been digital-only, it wouldn't have bothered me.
 

Guess Who

Banned
According to a quick google search the optical drive cost less than $30 back in 2013. I imagine it's even less now. Might save $15-20. Yipee?

You don't just save the cost of the optical drive, though - removing the optical drive lets you make the unit smaller (and thus cheaper), lets you use smaller (and thus cheaper) packaging, and costs less to ship per unit (because it will weigh less), all of which are savings that can be passed to the consumer through a cheaper product.
 
For me it would have to be way way cheaper. Which would be a lot larger price difference than the minuscule actual cost of the disc drive, so it would never happen. So basically this would never be a reasonable value to me.
 
Still want discs, but if we lost them it wouldn't be the end of the world (long as I could get merch for every game). Now always online you'll never sell me on.
 

alemmon

Member
While I dont buy as many physical games as I used to... I still have all of my blu-rays and DVDs that I still use on my console. So... no... I would not be happy with this option.
 
According to a quick google search the optical drive cost less than $30 back in 2013. I imagine it's even less now. Might save $15-20. Yipee?

This, too. The author makes the point that a PC Blu-ray drive costs $50 but manufacturers are only paying a fraction of that. There could be cost and material savings in other areas (and licensing fees, I guess) but it won't be much.
 
You don't just save the cost of the optical drive, though - removing the optical drive lets you make the unit smaller (and thus cheaper), lets you use smaller (and thus cheaper) packaging, and costs less to ship per unit (because it will weigh less), all of which are savings that can be passed to the consumer through a cheaper product.

I was saying that this argument

With one less bulky moving part contributing to production costs (not to mention reliability issues/support costs), the disc-free versions of these consoles could probably sell for considerably less than their disc-bound counterparts (a decent PC Blu-Ray drive currently costs around $50 or more, for some context). Console makers might be willing to lower the hardware's selling price even further for the benefit of locking players into their online store, where sales don't go through a retail middleman (and where the royalty-free resale of used games, which some publishers compare to piracy, doesn't exist).

Actually is very inconsequential. The savings would be way less than $50.
 

Stevey

Member
Yes.
Using my PC for digital purchases pretty much exclusively for the last 5 years, I personally don't have a problem with digital only.
Although XBL and PSN need to upgrade their servers to be on par with STEAM/Blizzard to even consider a digital only future.
 
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