Asus ROG Swift PG278Q monitor, 1440p/144hz/G-Sync

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Review/overview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71SOMOLjn70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANPX0DQxalA&list=UUgTTyN54Hljm7TqD13q8FEg

G-Sync explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhLYYYvFp9A

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Monitor talk is crazy. In this modern era we have a choice between 4K panels, cheap Korean 1440p monitors, panels that cover wide gamuts those that refresh at 30 Hz, 60 Hz, 120 Hz and 144 Hz, as well as TN/VA/IPS panels with all the variants therein. The issue comes when putting as many of these features together - typically IPS panels at higher refresh rates are hard to come by, whereas TN panels can lack the wide viewing angles and color reproduction. So by saying that ASUS are paring a 27” 2560x1440 display with a high refresh rate and NVIDIA G-Sync, we open our arms to this kind of evolution.

Anand reviewed G-Sync last year, and while it is the closest adaptive refresh technology to market, it does have its competitors. The ROG Swift PG278Q is going to be available from July, and should bring more G-Sync into the market. While other specifications are thin on the ground from the press release, we are inquiring into a more detailed list of data points for the monitor. The PG278Q also comes with a dedicated Turbo Key to allow users to adjust refresh rates on the fly from 60 Hz to 120 Hz to 144 Hz with one button, rather than adjusting the on-screen display. ASUS is quoting a 1ms GTG response time, with a 6mm bezel, VESA wall mount, a large range of stand adjustment, 1 DP port, two USB 3.0 ports and a 5-way joystick for the OSD.

ASUS expects the PG278Q to be in the $800 region, with a full release in late July.
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Why is the display TN rather than IPS/PVA/MVA, etc?

Not all TN’s are made the same: the premium panel used in the PG278Q is of very high quality. IPS panels (and their derivatives like PVA/MVA etc) are not suitable for a multitude of reasons: 1) the response rate is simply not fast enough to react to the active change in refresh rate and 2) Current panels available cannot reliably achieve >60Hz without significantly affecting the quality of the image. IGZO technology (and LTPS – low temperature polysilicon – likewise) – yields 100′s of times faster electron mobility versus standard amorphous silicon panels – and thus can provide a response rate comparable to TN (up to 60Hz currently), but, however desirable this technology is, it is still currently cost prohibitively for many PC gaming enthusiasts at this moment, which is why ROG has used a better price:performance, high quality TN panel.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/8085/asus-rog-swift-pg278q-launched-1440p-144hz-panel-with-gsync
http://rog.asus.com/296652014/news/...78q-swift-27-inch-wqhd-g-sync-gaming-monitor/
 
"with a full release in late July"

Aww. I've been keeping my eye on this one and was thinking it might be in June.
 
aeolist said:
they're right that a high-quality TN panel is still perfectly good

people are too obsessed with IPS
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IPS provides very good color quality compared to TN. Asus claims on other forums that the panel is as as good as low grade eIPS when viewing it straight on but I will wait for reviews instead of taking them at their word.
 
If you are making a high-end 4K/gaming monitor it needs to be IPS. This TN shit is getting ridiculous and just preying on people who don't know any better because color isn't often touted as a tech-spec.
 
wildfire said:
IPS provides very good color quality compared to TN. Asus claims on other forums that the panel is as as good as low grade eIPS when viewing it straight on but I will wait for reviews instead of taking them at their word.
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i know what IPS advantages are but they're absolutely right that a good TN panel is comparable

of course waiting for reviews is the right way to go but there's nothing outlandish here
 
aeolist said:
they're right that a high-quality TN panel is still perfectly good

people are too obsessed with IPS
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Contrast isn't too hot, but I can't ever go back to TN panels because of the terrible view angles. Last time I tried one I became OCD about it, constantly shifting around.
 
Durante said:
No. I can't work with 1080p, and I don't want 2 monitors. I'd buy a 1440p (or 4k of course) version of the Eizo for obscene sums of money though - especially if it also had G-sync.
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Yeah, a 1440p+ VA panel with G-Sync would be amazing. I guess that's at least a year or two away.
 
Are the garish red LED's optional?

What is it with these companies and designing their gear like goddamn Alienware. Make it black, make it unobtrusive, make it look clean. That way people that don't want a X-TREME GAMING-virginity-den in their living room can actually enjoy these things.
 
Yeah I want one, but not for 800 lol. Will definitely wait for a good sale on it.

I own their 1080p 144hz TN panel and I really like it, so I'm sure this one will be good as well.
 
Wonder what the minimum price of entry will be when more "budget" monitors with integrated Gsync are introduced. I'm thinking 23-24" and 1080p.

To the best of my knowledge, the Gsync VG248QE units available right now are all modded rather than coming that way out of the factory.
 
Yeah, they're all being modded by boutique pc companies. The ones that severely overcharge for underwhelming hardware. I don't even want to know what they charge for one of the modded Asus monitors.
 
aeolist said:
they're right that a high-quality TN panel is still perfectly good

people are too obsessed with IPS
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Perhaps. I've never personally seen a "high-quality" TN panel myself, but my gripes with TN isn't necessarily color reproduction. It's the viewing angles, especially with larger screens. Horizontal angles don't mean much, since you're typically right in front of the monitor, but vertical viewing angles are usually atrocious. Depending on the desk you're using (and by extension, monitor height), the picture can be all screwed up at the top and and bottom of the monitor.

I had that problem with my last 24 inch TN. I noticed if I slumped in my chair, colors would shift. I only ever got decent colors if sat up straight in my chair. With IPS, none of that is a concern. I'd like to see some monitors push 120hz while maintaining good viewing angles, but it may still be a while away.

But damn, you're gonna need a beast of a gfx card if you want to push 1440p at 120hz speeds.
 
I can't wait for this. Playing fps games at 120 fps is going to be insane. Asus has said this is a really good looking TN. I'll wait for the reviews, but I am glad its not a IPS. IPS aren't fast enough for games right now. I think this screen is a good compromise in resolution. I was debating getting a 4k instead of this, but to run fps games at 4k at even 60 fps requires a grand or more of video cards.
 
Between this, a new GPU to drive it (I'm still on a 580), and the Rift, July could be an expensive month.

I should probably wait for a cheaper monitor.

Orayn said:
To the best of my knowledge, the Gsync VG248QE units available right now are all modded rather than coming that way out of the factor.
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I could have sworn Durante had a factory version of that, but maybe it was modded, I don't know. I'm still good with 1080p (to the point where I'd rather get the extra GPU juice by running games at 1080p native for the near future), and I would love that monitor right now. I guess I could always get one modded.
 
My next monitor update is going to be a 34 inch 3440X1440 ultra wide aspect ratio monitor, which the LG 34UM95 fits, except it also needs to be gsync.
 
This monitor was delayed like 5 times. It got moved into end of July when it was suppose to come out in March.

It has been playing with my heart.

I got two 780ti to blast through.
 
Once you go IPS you never go back, it's like eating real food and then suddenly going back to dog food(TN panels).
 
plc268 said:
But damn, you're gonna need a beast of a gfx card if you want to push 1440p at 120hz speeds.
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Or a couple of good ones, depends on the game of course. Anyway, one of the reason G-Sync is so attractive, is that it's not necessary to maintain parity between frame rate and screen refresh to enjoy a smooth experience. The display literally syncs its cycle to the game frame rate (between 30 and 144 fps).
 
Durante said:
This part is true, but only because PVA is the superior technology. Both TN and IPS have shit contrast.
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It's true. PVA is hugely better.

It still falls short of alternative technologies but it's worlds better than TN or IPS in this regard. Provided you leave the lights on it can produce reasonably dark blacks (still not amazing, but decent). In comparison TN and IPS are unusable for dark content (for my tastes).

I would love a nice 27" 1440p PVA monitor (especially with g-sync).

Once you go IPS you never go back, it's like eating real food and then suddenly going back to dog food(TN panels).
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Your username is fitting then.

IPS is like dog food next to a high-end plasma, OLED, or even PVA monitor. This IPS love has got to stop as it's poisoning the display industry.
 
Will wait for reviews, i have bad exerpience with so called 'turbo' buttons on displays for higher refresh rate. Also high quality TN is still shit. Besides you really need a beastly gpu setup for 120hz at 1440p with settings on max.

nextgeneration said:
And to offer the contrarian viewpoint, once you go 120 hz, you can never go back to 60 hz. ;) I have used an Apple Cinema IPS display and a HP 1920x1200 IPS display and while nice, 60 hz can't hold a candle to 120 hz gaming, even if it's TN.
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A lot of people do other stuff besides gaming on the PC, and besides gaming PVA/IPS > 120hz always.
 
ph00p said:
Once you go IPS you never go back, it's like eating real food and then suddenly going back to dog food(TN panels).
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And to offer the contrarian viewpoint, once you go 120 hz, you can never go back to 60 hz. ;) I have used an Apple Cinema IPS display and a HP 1920x1200 IPS display and while nice, 60 hz can't hold a candle to 120 hz gaming, even if it's TN.
 
nextgeneration said:
And to offer the contrarian viewpoint, once you go 120 hz, you can never go back to 60 hz. ;) I have used an Apple Cinema IPS display and a HP 1920x1200 IPS display and while nice, 60 hz can't hold a candle to 120 hz gaming, even if it's TN.
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Keep in mind that this was possible decades ago on CRTs.

I love 120 Hz (or higher) so much, but man, it's incredibly difficult to reach with any reasonably demanding games. Hitting a rock solid 60 fps is hard enough with high-end PC games let alone 120 fps. It takes serious muscle.

At least with g-sync we can escape the need to hold a steady frame-rate.

Will wait for reviews, i have bad exerpience with so called 'turbo' buttons on displays for higher refresh rate.
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Indeed. I've frequently noted colorization issues with extra dithering and banding often becoming visible when using these modes. Awful.
 
No such thing as a high quality TN panel
You can polish a turd but it's still a turd, it's inherently flawed technology it needs replacing not 'improving'

(not that IPS is better for gaming unless you like to look at smeared blurryness)

Saw a 4500 euro OLED tv in some store folder earlier this week, if only oled was still going to replace LCD tech :( It has less of the fundamental flaws of lcd technology at least it would be a good hold me over technology till someone invents something that functions like a CRT.
pixels that produce light and exponentially better response times (still sample and hold though :( ) is so much better than the abomination that is backlit slow pixels sample and hold guttertrash lcd technology.

As for the 'dog food analogy', it's more like all restaurants were closed because they weren't 'trendy' enough anymore and have been replaced by 'trendy' high profit margin mc donalds, and now all you can eat is mc donalds slop.
 
No IPS panel might be a no-buy for me. I'll wait for a review to see how much of a PR statement that "TN Panel's can be high quality..." is.
 
SneakyStephan said:
No such thing as a high quality TN panel
You can polish a turd but it's still a turd, it's inherently flawed technology it needs replacing not 'improving'

(not that IPS is better for gaming unless you like to look at smeared blurryness)
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Preach it.

Both IPS and TN need to be replaced.
 
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