Asus ROG Swift PG278Q monitor, 1440p/144hz/G-Sync
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nextgeneration
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Yup, used to have a CRT, so am well aware that this was possible. Yeah, it's pretty much next to impossible to maintain 120 fps for high end pc games, but for the less demanding games, locked 120 fps is glorious. And when I'm unable to maintain 120 fps, this is where gsync comes in.
For non gaming purposes, of course, IPS/PVA is better than TN, but for me anyway, when I look at the difference between 60 hz vs 120 hz and TN vs IPS, the difference between 60 hz and 120 hz is far greater than the difference between TN and IPS.
Sentenza
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I hope there will be 1080p/1980x1200 G-sync monitors on the market.
I'm not really interested in 1440p,since the trade-off between resolution and power required to achieve decent performances starts to become too inconvenient.
I would be far more interested in G-synced monitors with better panel technology rather than higher resolution.
I'm not really interested in 1440p,since the trade-off between resolution and power required to achieve decent performances starts to become too inconvenient.
I would be far more interested in G-synced monitors with better panel technology rather than higher resolution.
#BringBackSED
Or rather bring it in the first place since it never really materialized.
That would be so amazing. I cannot believe it never went anywhere. That and FED from Sony which was similar.
Had the potential to wipe the floor with every other display technology.
SneakyStephan
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I wish I could buy a G sync 100 or 120hz 1200p 16:10 (nice to have vertical screen real estate for browsing) OLED monitor (no pentile though...)
I'd gladly pay 1000 euros for one (that's how much a 10 year old second hand sony fw900 crt goes for these days anyhow)
nextgeneration
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Yeah, while I'm interested in this ASUS, the power needed and associated cost for monitor and cards to maintain 120 fps - not sure it's worth it. I may just wait for a 1080p gsync monitor instead.
OLED is just as good though, and you can actually build it.
I disagree. Some panel technologies are much better than others. Throwing your hands in the air and saying "everything sucks" isn't all that helpful.
I Stalk Alone
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I was hoping for an SED comeback but Canon is too conservative to take chances these days.
Stumpokapow
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wow, the base is hideous
Helpful for what? You know full well that all current LCD panel types have their own shortcomings and Asus specifically address why this panel type was chosen on their product page.
Take a look at this. http://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/list-of-gsync-monitors/ Looks like some 1080p models are in the works.
OLED is very good, no doubt, but it's still sample and hold by nature.
SED was completely different in that regard and could natively produce flawless motion with a 60 Hz input.
OLED is faster than LCD by default, but they both require tricks to work around motion issues.
Plasma has better motion resolution than both of them but has other issues (slightly varied persistence between red, green and blue elements).
That said, an OLED PC monitor would be a dream and I hope someone decides to build one.
The drawbacks of PVA still outweigh IPS and TN. As in, there is simply no reason to consider an IPS or TN panel if an equivalently featured PVA panel is available. IPS received a lot of attention for color reproduction but it fails so hard in motion resolution and, most importantly, contrast. It cannot produce a properly black image (it's gray all the way) without resorting to dynamic adjustments (which are never a good solution).
OLED is fast enough that you should be able to do everything with it, motion wise, which you could with SED (i.e. pulse it to approximate a phosphor response).
To educate people about these shortcomings and the advantages of various LCD types? I mean, most people seem to just think TN = bad and IPS = good, which is a start I guess, but adding PVA to their understanding and making it a bit more nuanced probably helps.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but pulsing the image (or backlight in an LCDs case) requires an input higher than 60 Hz.
Still, OLED is plenty fast for my needs. It's not flawless but it's close enough even at 60 Hz. SED was faster, though.
Future PhaZe
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I've been on a gsync tn since they launched and color and contrast quality be damned with gameplay this smooth
I don't hit 120 often on the most demanding games but even movement between 65 and 75 fps gsynched is fucking lovely
I don't hit 120 often on the most demanding games but even movement between 65 and 75 fps gsynched is fucking lovely
That depends on how you do it. If you do a full, hard on/off (1/0) pulse at 60 Hz, it will flicker. You need ~72 Hz at least for flicker fusion. But I wonder what would happen if you try to approximate a phosphor response curve in terms of brightness instead.
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Panel type arguments are always par for the course when this monitor is discussed.
Bottom line: This is 1440p with G-Sync functionality included, and a refresh rate of up to 144 Hz. It is the best, most awesome gaming panel that has been announced.
Do people understand that gamers argue about frame rate at 900p between 33.3ms frame times and 16.7ms frame times? This is 1440p with 6.9ms frame times as a possibility while having each frame displayed.
This is next gen.
Panel type arguments are always par for the course when this monitor is discussed.
Bottom line: This is 1440p with G-Sync functionality included, and a refresh rate of up to 144 Hz. It is the best, most awesome gaming panel that has been announced.
Do people understand that gamers argue about frame rate at 900p between 33.3ms frame times and 16.7ms frame times? This is 1440p with 6.9ms frame times as a possibility while having each frame displayed.
This is next gen.
michaelius
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Using OLED panel with strobing tech similar to Eizo 2421 would make godlike gaming monitor.
Well obviously, because they built it with the wrong panel type
I don't know if I'd take it over the Eizo.
Yes. /dream
No such thing as a high quality TN panel
You can polish a turd but it's still a turd, it's inherently flawed technology it needs replacing not 'improving'
(not that IPS is better for gaming unless you like to look at smeared blurryness)
Saw a 4500 euro OLED tv in some store folder earlier this week, if only oled was still going to replace LCD techIt has less of the fundamental flaws of lcd technology at least it would be a good hold me over technology till someone invents something that functions like a CRT.
pixels that produce light and exponentially better response times (still sample and hold though
As for the 'dog food analogy', it's more like all restaurants were closed because they weren't 'trendy' enough anymore and have been replaced by 'trendy' high profit margin mc donalds, and now all you can eat is mc donalds slop.
The yields keep improving, we will keep seeing price drops as the technology improves.
Well we're not disagreeing on this. Asus go out of their way to state that no equivalent PVA panel exists. I'm just trying to stop the wall of "Why isn't this IPS? TN blows." posts that ignore the clear statement by the manufacturer.
"Why is the display TN rather than IPS/PVA/MVA, etc?
Not all TN’s are made the same: the premium panel used in the PG278Q is of very high quality. IPS panels (and their derivatives like PVA/MVA etc) are not suitable for a multitude of reasons: 1) the response rate is simply not fast enough to react to the active change in refresh rate and 2) Current panels available cannot reliably achieve >60Hz without significantly affecting the quality of the image. IGZO technology (and LTPS – low temperature polysilicon – likewise) – yields 100′s of times faster electron mobility versus standard amorphous silicon panels – and thus can provide a response rate comparable to TN (up to 60Hz currently), but, however desirable this technology is, it is still currently cost prohibitively for many PC gaming enthusiasts at this moment, which is why ROG has used a better price
erformance, high quality TN panel."I get subjectivity and all that, but your desire for colors I think mostly stems from wanting a workstation display first, and a gaming display second. A lot of the games that you are into don't really benefit from the things that make gaming panels gaming panels.Well obviously, because they built it with the wrong panel type
I don't know if I'd take it over the Eizo.
Yes. /dream
I think you'd be hard pressed to find many gamers who truly place color accuracy above motion resolution and illusion of motion. I'm sure there's a handful that think they do, but only because they're hard on the IPS bandwagon after being told countless times it's the best display type. Kind of like confirmation bias.
SneakyStephan
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I thought samsung pretty much gave up on OLED R&D and no longer plan to move on to OLED from LCD ?
Sony has given up too,no?
Who needs OLED tech when profit margins on lcd remain higher as long as they can cart out new marketing gimmicks (like 3d, smart tv, curved screens or the new 4K UHD* *actual motion resolution closer to 800p) to reset lcd prices every time margins drop too much.
Sony does
Even 4k now: "Also on display was a 30″ 10-bit, 4096 x 2160 resolution 4K OLED panel. Though no pricing has been set yet, Gary did hint that we could expect a true production model to be ready sometime this year."
Probably ~$20k.
I actually don't care about color accuracy that much -- more about angle dependence. But I care a lot about contrast (which I'd argue is also highly relevant for gaming), and the Eizo is completely unmatched in that.
I said this on in other thread on this Monitor, but where is the other G-Sync partners? it's almost a year since G-sync announcement and we got nothing. and why Asus is the only one is making G-Sync monitors (and sadly this is the 2nd one and it is still TN and very expensive as well). I really need something else like VA LCD or Oled G-sync monitors and Asus don't seems to care about making that.
Not sure if I should blame Nvidia or the G-Sync partners (Acer, Philips, ViewSonic, AOC..ect) on this situation.
Not sure if I should blame Nvidia or the G-Sync partners (Acer, Philips, ViewSonic, AOC..ect) on this situation.
http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read...t-uk-this-month-debut-at-pcr-boot-camp/033918
AOC is dropping one in the UK soon.
AOC is dropping one in the UK soon.
Considering no one except Eizo builds VA gaming monitors, and no one period builds OLED consumer monitors, I think it's pretty easy to see who's to blame.
Without NV, we probably wouldn't even have 120/144 Hz monitors.
(Oh, and Acer at least has announced G-sync monitors. Even a 4k one)
One of the unforseen issues with G-Sync is that they have to calibrate the module for each new monitor. They weren't expecting that at first.
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Durante, I agree about the Eizo. Personally, it'd be the monitor that I'd choose as well. Most of that is because I play competitive games for 90% of my game time, and 27" is simply too large.
I'd really like to have a dual monitor setup of the Eizo Foris as my primary panel and the RoG Swift as my secondary.
*edit*
Durante, I agree about the Eizo. Personally, it'd be the monitor that I'd choose as well. Most of that is because I play competitive games for 90% of my game time, and 27" is simply too large.
I'd really like to have a dual monitor setup of the Eizo Foris as my primary panel and the RoG Swift as my secondary.
michaelius
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All this talk about OLED and motion resolution made me realize something slightly amusing. Outside of resolution (and that's a huge one, sadly), the best gaming display I'll own will soon be a virtual screen on the Rift DK2
Yes - if I get desperate enough I might buy consumer Ocullus once it's released just for using it as display.
I doubt it, unfortunately.
Yoda
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You trying to get my hopes up so they can crash and burn?
StarCreator
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Is this going to be like every other TN I've used that basically looks like crap when oriented vertically? I'm looking for a monitor of this size for a vertical application.
michaelius
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Yes it will.
What really pisses me off is that you can buy dozens of strobbed 120Hz IPS/VA panel displays in shop in TV section - only difference is they would need to accept 120Hz input instead of 60 Hz - and some of them actually do at 720p which shows interface is biggest problem there.
This is for gaming. If you want a vertical monitor you should get something that is intended for workstation use.
ScepticMatt
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Short Answer: You'd typically still get Flicker.
Long Answer: The eye integrates light over a period tc (the inverse of the critical flicker fusion rate).
If the resulting contrast after integration falls above the value defined by the human contrast sensitivity function, you get flicker.
Higher frequency spatial and temporal detail is less visible:
edit: this is a inverse plot, if this isn't obvious.
Sony still builds OLED monitors.
LG is going full steam ahead, dropping the price from their OLED TVs from $12,000 to sub $4,000 without their M2 OLED plant even online.
Oh yeah, that'll be nice.All this talk about OLED and motion resolution made me realize something slightly amusing. Outside of resolution (and that's a huge one, sadly), the best gaming display I'll own will soon be a virtual screen on the Rift DK2
I still love the image on my Sony HMZ-T1 (OLED 720p). Of course, it's not like the Rift. It only creates a "virtual 16:9" image within the headset rather than something wrapping around your view. So, in that sense, the screen-door effect was significantly noticeable.
Downsampling from higher resolutions and enjoying the benefits of OLED made for a nice headset, though, that worked with all 3D content.
I mix and match.
Primary monitor - 1440p LCD 27"
Secondary monitor - 1080p LCD 23"
Gaming monitor - 1080p Pioneer Kuro plasma (mirrored with primary monitor).
Monitors are run through the HMZ-T1 HDMI box as well.
Thankfully, Windows is smart enough to change resolutions accordingly when my receiver/plasma or HMZ are switched on.
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What would be a good and slightly more affordable g-synch monitor. 1080p is ok, 144Hz would be great!
HDMI is capped at 60hz afaik. Wouldn't do much good on a monitor like this.
Syphon Filter
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Isn't TN better for gaming? I heard at least....
As noted, you can't transmit 1440p @ 144 Hz over HDMI 1.4.
Generally yes. If you're obsessed with IQ and screenshots, no.
VA with strobing seems pretty good for both though.
SolidSnakeUS
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I really wish that more things used DisplayPort...
Waiting for reviews is sensible but your responses have a recurring theme of missing the point of usage cases it is designed for.
Gsync offers ULMB to cater to those who want to play at 120+ fps but the point of gsync is gsync mode. It is meant to help everyone who can't even hit 60FPS consistently.
ROG stands for Republic of Gamers. To criticize a display catering exclusively to gamers is as foolish as criticizing Eizo for making those 4k pre color calibrated displays that cost $3000 because not everyone is a professional graphics artist.
This was my first thought as well. I still intend to get this but ASUS has lost some of their appeal with the upcoming crop of ROG gear. The keyboard for example is equally terrible.