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http://www.politico.eu/article/five-killed-in-ankara-car-bomb-blast-turkey/


Five killed in Ankara ‘car bomb blast’

2/17/16, 6:36 PM CET

At least five people were killed and 10 injured by a car bomb that exploded close to military buildings in the Turkish capital Ankara on Wednesday, the city governor said.

The Dogan news agency said a military vehicle was passing by when the bomb went off, 300 meters from the offices of the heads of the army, navy and air force.

Mehmet Kilicer, the city governor, said officials believe the explosion was caused by a car bomb.

“We are looking into details of the explosion,” Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu said.

If these attacks were done by the Kurds, just will add more fuel to the fire which would lead to Turkey taking more actions across the border.

Update:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35599323

A vehicle full of explosives was detonated as military buses were passing by, according to the Ankara governor's office.
The blast happened in an area close to parliament and Turkey's military headquarters.
Deputy Prime Minister Bekir Bozdag called an "act of terrorism".
Large plumes of smoke were seen rising from the area and witnesses said the blast was heard all over the city.
Some of the victims were civilians.

Well fuck. Poor sods.

 

[Kayo-kun]

It's been report that its done by PKK/YPG since the Turkish military is fighting against them in the southeast and in Syria/Iraq. The term "Kurds" is misleading.

PKK (and even YPG) is a considered a terrorist organisation by many nation. The ones that do not see them as terrorists usually have some political agenda against Turkey, for example Russia.

It's a shame that civilians are being targeted, but it isn't the first time PKK or islamists have done this in Turkey.

Erdogan is also an asshole for turning this country into a shithole, giving breathing room for PKK, allowing refugees in into Turkey without proper background checks, turning a blind eye for islamist groups.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

If this was done by the YDG-H/YPS in retaliation for the Turkish shelling of YPG positions in Syria, or as part of their insurgency in south-east Turkey, then it was a stupid idea. Giving Turkey a reason to step things up wont help either of them.

 

[Kolx]

Wondering how will Turkey react to this.

 

[RamzaIsCool]

18 dead. 45 injured now.

 

[kavanf1]

Anyone actually from Turkey here on GAF?

 

[Mesousa]

Anyone actually from Turkey here on GAF?

Stereogatari, and I think he even works for their government going by some of his posts.

 

[TheRealTalker]

they said they are planning a ground invasion and are on standby.... wonder if this pushes them over the age

but if it is Kurd related then Oh boy things are about to get shitty

 

[Walpurgis]

It's been report that its done by PKK/YPG since the Turkish military is fighting against them in the southeast and in Syria/Iraq. The term "Kurds" is misleading.

PKK (and even YPG) is a considered a terrorist organisation by many nation. The ones that do not see them as terrorists usually have some political agenda against Turkey, for example Russia.

It's a shame that civilians are being targeted, but it isn't the first time PKK or islamists have done this in Turkey.

Erdogan is also an asshole for turning this country into a shithole, giving breathing room for PKK, allowing refugees in into Turkey without proper background checks, turning a blind eye for islamist groups.

It doesn't sound like civilians were being targeted, more like they didn't give a shit.

The Dogan news agency said a military vehicle was passing by when the bomb went off, 300 meters from the offices of the heads of the army, navy and air force.

I'm not sure how they managed to kill 18 and injure 45 if it wasn't their aim though. That's ridiculous.

Stereogatari, and I think he even works for their government going by some of his posts.

I believe he is a Brit but I know what you mean.

 

[Phantast2k]

RIP
Looks like a suicide attack:

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/700021906951557121
Location in this video seems to be in line with the aftermath footage:
https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/status/700016406264487936


(Initially) Turkey blames PKK:
At least 18 killed in huge explosion in car bomb attack in Ankara

A security official told Reuters that initial signs indicate that the terrorist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) was behind the Ankara bombing.
Wednesday's attack comes at a tense time when the Turkish government is facing an array of challenges. A fragile peace process with the the terrorist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) collapsed in the summer. The Turkish security forces have been engaged in large-scale operations against PKK terrorists in the southeast since December, imposing controversial curfews in flashpoint areas, and the fighting has displaced tens of thousands of civilians.

 

[RamzaIsCool]

Anyone actually from Turkey here on GAF?

Most Turks here on GAF (including me) live and are from abroad (the Netherlands in my case). But if I am not mistaken Kazegami actually lives in Ankara, stay safe dude!

 

[Rubenov]

Dammit. This will not help YPG and the Kurds overall, and it makes the possibility of Turkey's assistance against ISIS even more remote.

 

[Angel_DvA]

Those attacks are terrible, I pray for all the victims and hope that injured people will recover as fast as possible.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

They are saying 18 dead now

 

[Phantast2k]

@CeylanWrites
Death toll from Ankara blast: 28 dead, 61 injured: deputy pm

.

 

[hugocésar]

This is horrifying. My thoughts go with the families affected and I hope those injured recover quickly.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35599323

A vehicle full of explosives was detonated as military buses were passing by, according to the Ankara governor's office.
The blast happened in an area close to parliament and Turkey's military headquarters.
Deputy Prime Minister Bekir Bozdag called an "act of terrorism".
Large plumes of smoke were seen rising from the area and witnesses said the blast was heard all over the city.
Some of the victims were civilians.

Well fuck. Poor sods.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Just the trigger Turkey / Saudi needs for a land invasion of Syria

 

[Scofield94941]

Fuck terrorists

 

[lastplayed]

Just the trigger Turkey / Saudi needs for a land invasion of Syria

And straight into Putin's bombers. I'm sure it's just coincidence.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Very sad for the poor victims either way

 

[gdt]

Geez.




I feel so lucky I wasn't born anywhere near the Middle East. For real.

 

[spekkeh]

And straight into Putin's bombers. I'm sure it's just coincidence.

Somehow I doubt Putin is going to protect the Kurds. I think Assad is pretty ambivalent about them.

 

[superdeluxe]

Turkey Invasion to strike at Kurds confirmed?

 

[jstripes]

Just the trigger Turkey / Saudi needs for a land invasion of Syria

Did they even need a trigger?

 

[superdeluxe]

Did they even need a trigger?

Maybe? Now he has political cover.

 

[...Scatter...]

Middle East... come on people. Get some hobbies to keep you busy. Try gaming. Or NeoGAF. You'll be too busy posting to create ill will.

 

[kruis]

Maybe? Now he has political cover.

Erdoan only has to say the terrorists behind this bomb attack are hiding in Syrian Kurdistan and Turkey has the rationale to invade northern Syria. The US invaded Afghanistan after 9/11 and no one batted an eye. Except in the case of a Turkish invasion of Syria the shit will hit the fan, because the Syrian army will see it as an act of war - and they will react with the backing of Russia and Iran.

 

[Walpurgis]

Weren't western nations providing arms to the Kurds? Is this the same Kurdish faction?

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

Why.

 

[Lime]

As someone unfamiliar with Turkey's recent history, has the violence escalated? I know that there is a lot of dissident against Erdogan and with the recent election and the Kurdish population being bombed as an excuse for "ISIS terorrists", there's a lot of volatile danger. The question is if this is more than usual? It certainly most likely is, but I'm just curious as to what is contributing to it.

 

[superdeluxe]

Weren't western nations providing arms to the Kurds? Is this the same Kurdish faction?

Different Kurd groups.

I think Putin was arming this Kurd group though.

 

[Kolx]

And straight into Putin's bombers. I'm sure it's just coincidence.

Doubt Russia will start a war for this. If Turkey started an invasion I think Russia would reply with more attacks against the rebels not against Turkey itself.

 

[Valhelm]

RIP
Looks like a suicide attack:

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/700021906951557121
Location in this video seems to be in line with the aftermath footage:
https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/status/700016406264487936


(Initially) Turkey blames PKK:
At least 18 killed in huge explosion in car bomb attack in Ankara

Has the PKK ever done suicide attacks before? Targeting civilians, especially this way, seems very unlike them.

 

[superdeluxe]

They typiically have been attacking police/soldiers.

This one was aimed at a military dorm? But as you can see, this is a very public area with many civilians.

 

[Phantast2k]

Doubt Russia will start a war for this. If Turkey started an invasion I think Russia would reply with more attacks against the rebels not against Turkey itself.

Just keep doubting until that war breaks out.

Weren't western nations providing arms to the Kurds? Is this the same Kurdish faction?

Definitely not to PKK as On 2 April 2004, the Council of the European Union added the PKK to its list of terrorist organizations.

Has the PKK ever done suicide attacks before? Targeting civilians, especially this way, seems very unlike them.

You appear to be clueless. Just an excerpt:

From 1996 to 1999, it also conducted a series of 14 suicide bombings, 10 of which were carried out by women.

/I don't mean no disrespect, just that I heard about PKK doing suicide attacks from the late 90s on.

 

[Frustrated_me]

Why do I have a feeling this is not PKK?

When you actively harbour terrorists and create insurgencies in neighbouring countries what the fuck did you think would happen?

Erdogan played a game way WAY out of his league, now the country is going to pay the price. Such a travesty because Turkey was doing so well, at one pint the shining beacon of the middle-east.

 

[univariate]

For those of you in this thread: Turkey is not in the Middle East. Thank you.

 

[Cocaloch]

For those of you in this thread: Turkey is not in the Middle East. Thank you.

That depends on who you are talking to. I think for most people the Middle East means Asian Islamic nations west of Pakistan and also Egypt.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

If it was the kurds, it was the PKK, and turkey has been shelling the YPG in syria, either way, Turkey has already said that they dont want to enter Syria alone, that they want Nato's support.

 

[superdeluxe]

Why do I have a feeling this is not PKK?

When you actively harbour terrorists and create insurgencies in neighbouring countries what the fuck did you think would happen?

Erdogan played a game way WAY out of his league, now the country is going to pay the price. Such a travesty because Turkey was doing so well, at one pint the shining beacon of the middle-east.

Not sure why? Seems to be the MO of PKK, attacks against Police/Military.

 

[brian577]

If it was the kurds, it was the PKK, and turkey has been shelling the YPG in syria, either way, Turkey has already said that they dont want to enter Syria alone, that they want Nato's support.

Saudis said the same thing, but's never going happen. NATO doesn't want a standoff with Russia. They are clearly impatient and will eventually do something stupid.

 

[allftw]

Has the PKK ever done suicide attacks before? Targeting civilians, especially this way, seems very unlike them.

Well they don't do suicide attacks very often especially lately but they've been known to do them from time to time.

Also they were targeting military vehicles with this attack but like many of their other attacks in the cities they just didn't care if someone else got in the way.

 

[Frustrated_me]

Not sure why? Seems to be the MO of PKK, attacks against Police/Military.

Didn't the Turkish army just finished crippling the PKK in south east areas? Also, what the hell is the MIT doing ffs? How many terror attacks will Turkey witness inside its borders before they do something?

 

[TheRealTalker]

yeah if it is the PKK then this will likely even worsen tensions between some Kurdish groups and the Turks

but I don't see any solution coming from aggression... it will just spiral downwards into more chaos were Turks and Kurds from both sides will suffer from the chaos of two major groups

it is obviously over complicated when it comes to a stateless people and a national identity of the other country but someone needs to take the hit and either give Kurds a state since even though they can run for parliament they're the minority and would not be able to have enough power unless common Turks would vote for them.

Of course this is easier said then done since the Kurdish regions extends between not one but four countries.

 

[Kayo-kun]

Has the PKK ever done suicide attacks before? Targeting civilians, especially this way, seems very unlike them.

Were you born yesterday or are you just stupid?

Google PKK targeting civillians and educate yourself.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

It could be the TAK perhaps.

 

[Phantast2k]

Erdogan vows retaliation after Ankara attack: presidency - Yahoo News

Ankara (AFP) - President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Wednesday vowed that Turkey was more determined than ever to use its right to "self-defence" after a car bomb targeting military service vehicles killed at least 28 people.

"Our determination to respond in kind to attacks taking place inside and outside our borders is getting stronger with such acts," Erdogan said in a statement. "It must be known that Turkey will not shy away from using its right to self-defence at any time, any place or any occasion."

At this point it seems very likely that Turkey will, at least, carve out a safe zone from the Syrian borderland.

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

Why do I have a feeling this is not PKK?

When you actively harbour terrorists and create insurgencies in neighbouring countries what the fuck did you think would happen?

Erdogan played a game way WAY out of his league, now the country is going to pay the price. Such a travesty because Turkey was doing so well, at one pint the shining beacon of the middle-east.

You can say the exact same thing about 9/11.

 

[Phantast2k]

@Conflicts

Blast reported at Turkish cultural center in Stockholm, #Sweden. More info when it becomes available.

Swedish source: http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/explosion-i-turkiska-foreningen-i-fittja/