ATI Helping Nintendo with Revoultion GPU

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ATI Helping Nintendo with Revoultion GPU

Hmmm... so is Sony Doomed? Or is it all about the games? I thought ATI was considered best by most PC Gamers these days not NVidia ;)

http://www.ati.com/ruby/index.html

ATI powers NINTENDO GAMECUBE™ games

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Nintendo's 2002 line-up of games honored at E3

Tuesday, June 25, 2002

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MARKHAM, Ontario - ATI Technologies Inc. (TSX: ATY, NASDAQ: ATYT) demonstrated the power of the ATI 'Flipper' chip in the NINTENDO GAMECUBE™ video game console during the presentation of new upcoming Nintendo games during Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) last month in Los Angeles, California. Nintendo's upcoming 2002 blockbuster games for the NINTENDO GAMECUBE include such titles as: Super Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime, The Legend of Zelda, Star Fox Adventures, Animal Crossing, and more.

http://www.ati.com/companyinfo/press/2002/4509.html

"we’re looking forward to delivering technologies for future Xbox and Nintendo products. The success is testament to the skills and dedication of the ATI employees, who have worked long and hard to put the company into this leadership position.”

http://mirror.ati.com/companyinfo/press/2004/4794.html
 
suaveric said:
Every look at the front of a Gamecube? There's an ATI logo on there for a reason.
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It's in name only. Artx made the Flipper. ATI bought them up after the chip was done.
 
As I understand it, it's the people formerly of ArtX (as much as it still can be the case) who are working on the Revolution's chip, so the difference is meaningless.
 
Culex said:
It's in name only. Artx made the Flipper. ATI bought them up after the chip was done.
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It's all irrelevant, considering that all the people who were formerly part of ArtX now work for ATi themselves. So, basically, it's no different than a team at ATi developing the chip themselves.
 
What is the Toshiba-Sony partnership like nowadays? Are they still pretty close?

And what about NEC and Nintendo? I know about three years ago, a few people suggested that Nintendo might go with NEC's CPU architecture in an attempt to counter IBM and Sony's CELL project, but that's clearly out the window now.
 
snapty00 said:
What is the Toshiba-Sony partnership like nowadays? Are they still pretty close?

And what about NEC and Nintendo? I know about three years ago, a few people suggested that Nintendo might go with NEC's CPU architecture in an attempt to counter IBM and Sony's CELL project, but that's clearly out the window now.
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Last time I heard something was that NEC was pretty close to Nintendo, but now I know nothing since Nintendo has been really quiet on the Revolution front in usual nintendo style.
 
Dr. Yen (former Senior Vice President of Products at Silicon Graphics, Inc., on ATI's Board of Directors, and founder of Liberate Technology, a topset box company, of which Nintendo in an inverstor), seems to be pretty close with Nintendo.
 
Random_Hajile said:
Take a look at the fipper picture... it looks like it says ATI :)
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ATI bought ArtX, it's a known fact... Like Matsushita (Panasonic) making the prioritary media for the GameCube and Mario being named after the landlord of the warehouse where NOA's first headquarters was established, Mario Segali.

Alright, maybe it wasn't that obvious...
 
Hmm, between Revolution, Xbox Next, and their PC hardware, I wonder if ATI is stretching themselves too thin right now...?
 
Argh. This one isn't necessary at all. We don't know anything not even what direction ATI is going with this chip. The xbox I understand but it's been discussed to death. We know tidbits about NVIDIA's contribution to PS3 but its really all speculation. We only know is a GPU co-designed with Sony that will be a seperate from cell from what I've read and some IP's from NVIDIA.


We know nothing about this GPU so why even start.
 
argh! you made two threads about ATI working on next gen GPUs for rival companies! and the news is months old as well.
 
welcome to early 2003, when this became offical.

but we've known about this since 2001-2002.

did you have to make this thread? oh, junior member! now it all makes sense :lol

and the news is months old as well.
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actually, it's YEARS old. :lol :lol :lol
 
ATI helped with the GameCube too
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not really. ArtX made Flipper and was actually the first partner Nintendo worked with on the console, starting in 1997-1998. long before ATI bought ArtX. by the time ATI bought ArtX, the Gamecube was completed.

therefore ATI played no role in the development of Gamecube or its Flipper graphics/LSI.

NEC had more to do with Flipper than ATI.

Flipper is an ArtX / NEC / Nintendo effort.



ATI is working on Nintendo's next console, though. and probably the graphics in the next GameBoy as well.
 
"If I'm not mistaken, isn't ArtX the more talented of the two ATi groups developing GPU's for next-gen?"

You could argue that, but they can only do so much with the budget Nintendo will give them. MS is likely to allow the GPU costs to be higher.
 
teh_pwn said:
"If I'm not mistaken, isn't ArtX the more talented of the two ATi groups developing GPU's for next-gen?"

You could argue that, but they can only do so much with the budget Nintendo will give them. MS is likely to allow the GPU costs to be higher.
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Cost is important, but I think the design will be different. If you look at the GC/Xbox, the GPU show different design philosophies. What I see happening, is each GPU will be build on the strengths of the past, with some new features.

MS and Nintendo can only get the technology available to them, cost probably wouldn't be that much different. Memory is the gap creater, it is the one component that can be the bottleneck. High speed, bandwith memory, and quantity, this is just as important as having a powerful GPU.

I haven't seen many articles where there was a mention of budget, but timeline I have seen.
 
The Bookerman said:
It's essentially the Art X team that finished the design.
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The point is that it is wrong to say that the chip was finished before ArtX was acquired. EOD.
 
The Bookerman said:
It's essentially the Art X team that finished the design.
Then, they moved to the R300, the one we all know as the Radeon 9700 pro.
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Actually, the ArtX team didn't design the R300.
 
cybamerc said:
Actually they did. Let's not go over this again.
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Actually, they didn't. There was an interview with the president (or ceo or something) of ATI a couple weeks ago. He specifically stated it was already coming down the pipe and layed out and the ArtX team didn't have a hand in it at all.
 
DopeyFish said:
There was an interview with the president (or ceo or something) of ATI a couple weeks ago. He specifically stated it was already coming down the pipe and layed out and the ArtX team didn't have a hand in it at all.
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Are you insane?
 
link

Of course, a lot has changed since then. ATI turned over a new leaf after it acquired ArtX, the brains behind GameCube’s “Flipper” chip and the original R300 core. Shortly after that acquisition, I had the opportunity to interview Dave Orton, former president and CEO of ArtX and current president and COO of ATI technologies, for a story on which I was working.
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That sounds like an interesting read would you happen to have a link the original article Dopeyfish?

Edit: I still wanna see the article Dopey was speaking of.
 
i looked for it and i cannot find it. When I get back from work I'll look again. I am 100% positive I saw it being said in an interview. I'm fairly sure it was either here or at B3D... though I can't seem to find it :/

i remember one part of it saying that prior to him coming on board... ATi had great engineers... but really lousy business sense... they didn't know how to sell their products.

or something to that effect
 
SantaCruZer said:
Last time I heard something was that NEC was pretty close to Nintendo, but now I know nothing since Nintendo has been really quiet on the Revolution front in usual nintendo style.
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Nintendo uses NEC for most manufacturing iirc, in fact I think they helped fund NEC's Chinese plants that are pumping out GC, GBA & DS now. Yeah, there were rumors awhile back that Nintendo might be using a NEC parallel chip solution (as NEC had been doing a lot of work in that area from 2001-2003) but that was obviously not the case and Nintendo's since announced an IBM partnership for the Revolution CPU.

Anyone remember the old rumor that Nintendo, Apple, NEC, Hitachi & Access were all forming an alliance on a "digital hub"? That would've been interesting.
 
jarrod said:
Anyone remember the old rumor that Nintendo, Apple, NEC, Hitachi & Access were all forming an alliance on a "digital hub"? That would've been interesting.
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Thats an old one yeah I remember that one. I think the Hitachi attachment is what sold it at the time.
 
Shaheed79:

> Edit: I still wanna see the article Dopey was speaking of.

Don't get your hopes up. This is the guy who claimed that his sources at 3dfx(!) had told him that noone there had any respect for the ArtX people.
 
cybamerc said:
Don't get your hopes up. This is the guy who claimed that his sources at 3dfx(!) had told him that noone there had any respect for the ArtX people.
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What in the bloody fuck are you talking about?
 
ArtX > 3Dfx


3Dfx got rejected by Sega, and that was a good choice. PowerVR was better in 1997.

ArtX was accepted by Nintendo in 1997 or 1998 for Dolphin/Gamecube graphics.

3Dfx was bought for chump change by Nvidia, with GigaPixel to boot.

ArtX was bought by ATI for hundreds of millions.

ArtX along with ATI as a whole is working on Nintendo Revolution graphics

3Dfx along with Nvidia as a whole are working with Sony on Playstation3 graphics
 
xexex said:
ArtX > 3Dfx


3Dfx got rejected by Sega, and that was a good choice. PowerVR was better in 1997.

ArtX was accepted by Nintendo in 1997 or 1998 for Dolphin/Gamecube graphics.

3Dfx was bought for chump change by Nvidia, with GigaPixel to boot.

ArtX was bought by ATI for hundreds of millions.

ArtX along with ATI as a whole is working on Nintendo Revolution graphics

3Dfx along with Nvidia as a whole are working with Sony on Playstation3 graphics
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Sooooo... what does that have to do with the price of tea in China??
 
I can't imagine a situation where ATI is not wrapping their fortunes around Microsoft's Xbox 2. Especially with nVidia jumping on board the PS3 ship. That is unless ATI and Nintendo are going to be working together on future handhelds. That's not to suggest that the GPU in the Revolution will be weak, but it's not going to be some miracle chip that dominates what is going to be in the Xbox 2.
 
I would not be surprised at all if Game Boy Next uses an ATi processor, maybe a direct version of the GameCube chipset even, just modified to a smaller system-on-chip design.

I think Revolution will probably have some interesting functionality, like completely wireless, motion sensor, etc.

Sounds like they want to really focus on new types of gaming interfaces.
 
CrimsonSkies said:
I can't imagine a situation where ATI is not wrapping their fortunes around Microsoft's Xbox 2. Especially with nVidia jumping on board the PS3 ship. That is unless ATI and Nintendo are going to be working together on future handhelds. That's not to suggest that the GPU in the Revolution will be weak, but it's not going to be some miracle chip that dominates what is going to be in the Xbox 2.
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Based on? The slap together Geforce in Xbox?

Yamauchi and Dr. Yen are close. I do not see Artx shafting Nintendo.
 
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