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[Ridley327]

Well I bought the Japanese version instead and plenty of other people seem pretty turned off by the lack of a dub. Whether that really amounts to much I can't say but I certainly don't think it's going to sell more copies to soccer moms or whoever else these changes are supposed to appeal to. I mean taken at face-value this game would be a slam dunk day 1 purchase for me due to the development team, the visuals, music, combat, setting, themes, etc but now it ended up being a used import purchase instead.

How many fence sitters who aren't being directly targeted by this game's incredibly specific nature are going to jump on because they no longer have to worry about girls showing some skin? That seems fairly low on the list of things that are going to turn off a general audience when it comes to this particular title. They earn some brownie points from twitter so I guess that's worth enough for them.

I guess I just don't see how much of a real impact it would cause. You had a fair few people opting to import the Japanese version of Fates in retaliation over those changes it had, and the game still wound up clobbering the crap out of Awakening sales-wise. Xenoblade X also appeared to do quite well for itself, too.

Fatal Frame 5 is probably a harder situation to quantify because of the release strategy, but I doubt it sold any worse a result of costume replacements than the eShop-only release in NA would have already done. I'm not trying to belittle you or anyone else taking a stand against anything like this, but it does feel like a tempest in a teacup in the grand scheme of things.

 

[dan2026]

When did Nintendo start becoming massively censor happy again?
It feels like all their games are getting the chop lately.

 

[Tohsaka]

Dunno why they want a T rating so bad. This is going to bomb and teens aren't going to be ones buying it anyway. Smells like a huge misread of the market.

This game would get a T rating even if they didn't censor anything. It's tamer than a lot of other games that come out with the same rating and some of them (like the Neptune games) have bare butts in the CGs. It's just Nintendo being Nintendo, unfortunately.

 

[Vena]

Yep, I was personally already convinced when they guessed the name correctly, but there is absolutely no doubt that 4chan post was the real deal. Wonder if they'll actually openly talk about the Hotspring DLC being removed or just remain hush about it, even though their special edition advertises DLC that some enthusiasts could assume would include the Hotspring stuff.

From Serenes Forest:

So the 4chan leak is 4/4 now (Since Tsubasa is one of those three). Leak is pretty much true at this point.

That's actually an incorrect detail from the leak. This is everyone, leak was Tsubasa's only.

 

[Maintenance]

So there might be still hope for a non shitty translation? Good.

Though I'll wait before buying it, I'll need to know what they cut.

Shame that I can't even pre-order a Nintendo game nowadays since they are always fucking something up.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

That's actually an incorrect detail from the leak. This is everyone, leak was Tsubasa's only.

That's not incorrect. There could be other changes not mentioned in the leak, but that doesn't make anything written there incorrect.

 

[diaspora]

This game would get a T rating even if they didn't censor anything. It's tamer than a lot of other games that come out with the same rating and some of them (like the Neptune games) have bare butts in the CGs. It's just Nintendo being Nintendo, unfortunately.

1. Atlus is localizing this.
2. SMT4 and Apocalypse are both more graphic than their JP counterparts.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

1. Atlus is localizing this.

Any changes made to the in-game content were due to varying requirements and regulations in the many different territories Nintendo distributes its products.

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[kunonabi]

I guess I just don't see how much of a real impact it would cause. You had a fair few people opting to import the Japanese version of Fates in retaliation over those changes it had, and the game still wound up clobbering the crap out of Awakening sales-wise. Xenoblade X also appeared to do quite well for itself, too.

Fatal Frame 5 is probably a harder situation to quantify because of the release strategy, but I doubt it sold any worse a result of costume replacements than the eShop-only release in NA would have already done. I'm not trying to belittle you or anyone else taking a stand against anything like this, but it does feel like a tempest in a teacup in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah I don't think it makes a difference as far as sales go. At least not for the bigger releases like Xenoblade or Fire Emblem. That said I think it does occasionally have an effect. SEGA seems pretty focused on releasing Yakuza games intact after what happened with Yakuza 3. That said, Nintendo seems pretty intent on curating their content to be as inoffensive and twitter friendly as possible so I expect things to just get worse regardless of sales one way or the other. For me it's a bigger snowball effect. Nintendo won me back during the Wii generation so I've been more of Nintendo super fan than I ever was previously. This meant I took a chance one a lot more of their games than I normally would. They weren't all winners but there was enough goodwill that it was worth taking the chance. Now that's mostly gone for various reasons(not just the censorship). Wii U is still my primary console, I look forward to Zelda and I'm loving Star Fox but I'm not so willing to try things that don't interest me right off the bat anymore. Federation Force is something I'd have given a chance a year ago but now? I can safely say it's going to be the first major 3DS release I'm just going to skip.

 

[diaspora]

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So? Again, other SMT products don't get changes or get more graphic when brought into the US. This is 100% on Atlus.

Like, I just fought what looked like a multi-tittied monster on my 3DS.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

So? Again, other SMT products don't get changes or get more graphic when brought into the US. This is 100% on Atlus.

Like, I just fought what looked like a multi-tittied monster on my 3DS.

But that statement literally says that it's due to Nintendo's publishing that changes were made in-game. Atlus is not publishing #FE, Nintendo is. Atlus is ONLY localizing the title but, just like that 4chan leak says, it's under Nintendo's directions and demands.

 

[diaspora]

But that statement literally says that it's due to Nintendo's publishing that changes were made in-game. Atlus is not publishing #FE, Nintendo is. Atlus is ONLY localizing the title but, just like that 4chan leak says, it's under Nintendo's directions and demands.

That statement is also inconsistent with Atlus's history on Nintendo platforms. Also, there is no leak, just a 4ch rumour.

 

[timetokill]

Normally I don't mind the little changes that Nintendo likes to have made for games coming to the west, but for some reason it's really bugging me with this game. Especially if they excise an entire DLC because of it.

 

[diaspora]

Normally I don't mind the little changes that Nintendo likes to have made for games coming to the west, but for some reason it's really bugging me with this game. Especially if they excise an entire DLC because of it.

Removing DLC would be asinine.

 

[Ridley327]

That statement is also inconsistent with Atlus's history on Nintendo platforms.

Atlus has never had NoA as the localization manager on their projects before. This is, as far I know, a complete first for Atlus to have someone above them as far as a localization is concerned.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

That statement is also inconsistent with Atlus's history on Nintendo platforms. Also, there is no leak, just a 4ch rumour.

Since when has Nintendo overseen the localization process of an Atlus title? SMT IV and Apocalypse are not the same situation as #FE at all.

Also, are you really debating the validity of the 4chan comment, even at this point? Really?

 

[Tohsaka]

That statement is also inconsistent with Atlus's history on Nintendo platforms. Also, there is no leak, just a 4ch rumour.

It's not a rumor, literally everything the leaker said has come true so far including the western title which no one could've made up without prior knowledge.

 

[Ridley327]

Since when has Nintendo overseen the localization process of an Atlus title? SMT IV and Apocalypse are not the same situation as #FE at all.

And just to be clear, neither Cubivore nor Polarium Advance were Atlus games. Nintendo funded them and published them in Japan, but that seemed to be about it. They're also not the kind of games that would have need NoA peering over their shoulders, either.

 

[diaspora]

Since when has Nintendo overseen the localization process of an Atlus title? SMT IV and Apocalypse are not the same situation as #FE at all.

Also, are you really debating the validity of the 4chan comment, even at this point? Really?

I'm not really debatingbit as much as I am making an outright statement on it.

 

[Ridley327]

The fact is that Nintendo hasn't had any hand in any kind of content oversight on any game that they themselves do not fund and publish in over 20 years, and it's remained as such even with situations like their pick-ups for Squenix, in which they fund the localization and distribute the game, but puts all of the actual power into Squenix's hands for everything else. What Atlus does with SMT4 or Persona Q is entirely up to Atlus, but #FE was always going to be whatever Nintendo wants it to be. Hell, we've already seen that with the pants edit made prior to the game's release in Japan.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I saw this in that r/KotakuInAction subreddit via Twitter:

Possibly the "panties into spats" point in the 4chan leak.

Haven't paid attention to the footage myself since I'm avoiding all of that until I can play the game myself. This one in particular seems pretty unremarkable (though I dunno how many panty shots are supposed to be in the game), but still...

I don't normally care about this stuff, and I'm not the kind of person to email Nintendo or Atlus about it, but I would kind of like an elaborate answer on why these changes are made. As discussed, it's just especially jarring in #FE's case.

 

[Pancake Mix]

I'm not really debatingbit as much as I am making an outright statement on it.

You're saying that they guessed that elaborate title, Atlus doing the localising themselves, not doing the hot springs (or two other) DLC's, and all of the costume changes? Okay the costume changes are typical NOA crap but come on with the other stuff. It's not a rumour, it's a leak.

The fact is that Nintendo hasn't had any hand in any kind of content oversight on any game that they themselves do not fund and publish in over 20 years, and it's remained as such even with situations like their pick-ups for Squenix, in which they fund the localization and distribute the game, but puts all of the actual power into Squenix's hands for everything else. What Atlus does with SMT4 or Persona Q is entirely up to Atlus, but #FE was always going to be whatever Nintendo wants it to be. Hell, we've already seen that with the pants edit made prior to the game's release in Japan.

NOA could easily still have requested the Bravely Second changes themselves. We have no way of knowing one way or the other, but it seems like something they would do and Square Enix would not.

 

[-Horizon-]

I can barely tell the difference in the second pic >.<

 

[Ridley327]

I can barely tell the difference in the second pic >.<

It doesn't help that it looks like someone took a picture of an off-screen cellphone picture.

 

[Ridley327]

NOA could easily still have requested the Bravely Second changes themselves. We have no way of knowing one way or the other, but it seems like something they would do and Square Enix would not.

I don't think NOA would have had anything to do with Bravely, since both games originally released in Europe first and Squenix uses an Italian company to handle the localizations.

Also, how quickly we forget Pantygate in SO5.

 

[chrono01]

I saw this in that r/KotakuInAction subreddit via Twitter:

Possibly the "panties into spats" point in the 4chan leak.

Haven't paid attention to the footage myself since I'm avoiding all of that until I can play the game myself. This one in particular seems pretty unremarkable (though I dunno how many panty shots are supposed to be in the game), but still...

I don't normally care about this stuff, and I'm not the kind of person to email Nintendo or Atlus about it, but I would kind of like an elaborate answer on why these changes are made. As discussed, it's just especially jarring in #FE's case.

It doesn't even look like spats to me, more like a shadow under her skirt. But then, that's probably due to the horrible image quality. :/

 

[Astral Dog]

it does not make sense they would cut that hot spring DLC, unless the diaogue was very sugestive

 

[Uthred]

Shit son, let's go back further than that. You could probably find way worse outfits used in any given Brittany Spears concert.

Spears? Go back another decade and look at Madonna. Pop stars in raunchy costumes is older than most of the people who will play this game.

 

[Eolz]

It doesn't even look like spats to me, more like a shadow under her skirt. But then, that's probably due to the horrible image quality. :/

Yep, looks like they went for the old "oh no a shadow, I can't see anything!" graphical effect. Easier to do than spats too.
Shame.

 

[Vena]

Possibly the "panties into spats" point in the 4chan leak.

Looks like "dark abyss" shadows like in Smash.

That's not incorrect. There could be other changes not mentioned in the leak, but that doesn't make anything written there incorrect.

I wonder consider such a thing as incorrect. You do not get correct for listing one of multiple changes within the same bracket. It is possible it changed after the fact but its a very peculiar detail to be so specific on if it were to be wide-sweeping. Its simply incorrect.

 

[bomblord1]

I'm not even remotely upset at any these changes. I also fail to comprehend the logic which makes people upset over these localization changes.

 

[ShinRPGamer]

I'm not even remotely upset at any these changes. I also fail to comprehend the logic which makes people upset over these localization changes.

The people really mad and upset would likely proclaim MUH CENSORSHIP!!!!!!

Honestly I can't even bother to care about the changes at this point. At least Nintendo had the decency to not drag out speculation until a couple of weeks before the game comes out. We basically know the notable changes being made.

 

[Eolz]

The people really mad and upset would likely proclaim MUH CENSORSHIP!!!!!!

Honestly I can't even bother to care about the changes at this point. At least Nintendo had the decency to not drag out speculation until a couple of weeks before the game comes out. We basically know the notable changes being made.

Well, we still don't know for the dlc, and it's not really thanks to nintendo that we know about those changes...

 

[ShinRPGamer]

Well, we still don't know for the dlc, and it's not really thanks to nintendo that we know about those changes...

Given that the leaks have been 4/4 so far, I'm almost certain the Hot Springs DLC will remain Japan exclusive.

And when I say "thanks to Nintendo" I mean "we can see a notable amount of localization changes now rather than wait for game reviewers to showcase it a month before it comes out." Probably stretching it but that's how I would like to interpret it.

 

[Tohsaka]

I'm not even remotely upset at any these changes. I also fail to comprehend the logic which makes people upset over these localization changes.

The point is that there is no need for them to make these changes in the first place, especially if they're aging up all the girls to 18. Why would cleavage, panty shots and hot springs not be allowed if the characters are all of age? Xenoblade X has multiple thong armor sets and it has a T rating, not to mention all the niche games on Sony consoles/handhelds that have much more fanservice than this game with the same rating.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I wonder consider such a thing as incorrect. You do not get correct for listing one of multiple changes within the same bracket. It is possible it changed after the fact but its a very peculiar detail to be so specific on if it were to be wide-sweeping. Its simply incorrect.

But... it's literally not incorrect. What if the leaker only was aware that Tsubasa's age was changed and didn't know about the other characters?

Incorrect:

1.
not correct as to fact; inaccurate; wrong:
an incorrect statement.
2.
improper, unbecoming, or inappropriate:
incorrect behavior; incorrect attire.
3.
not correct in form, use, or manner:
an incorrect copy.

The statement is none of these. In fact, it's the antonym: it's true that Tsubasa's age was increased. That's all; there's no need to then go "Oh, they missed related content changes, so that's wrong!" That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Other]

Spears? Go back another decade and look at Madonna. Pop stars in raunchy costumes is older than most of the people who will play this game.

I was gonna mention her too but that part of her career started in her 20's so I didn't think it would be as effective a comparison as a teen who only a scant few years prior to had been a part of the mickey mouse club

 

[Dimmle]

People are still using Tri Force Heroes as a case against Treehouse as if it's a game they would have played otherwise?

The game has a very specific tenor in all languages, which is to say it's extremely silly.

 

[ohlawd]

I can barely tell the difference in the second pic >.<

me neither

nice legs are nice legs

 

[Olengie]

I'm not even remotely upset at any these changes. I also fail to comprehend the logic which makes people upset over these localization changes.

I share this sentiment as well.

 

[Ponn]

I saw this in that r/KotakuInAction subreddit via Twitter:

Possibly the "panties into spats" point in the 4chan leak.

Haven't paid attention to the footage myself since I'm avoiding all of that until I can play the game myself. This one in particular seems pretty unremarkable (though I dunno how many panty shots are supposed to be in the game), but still...

I don't normally care about this stuff, and I'm not the kind of person to email Nintendo or Atlus about it, but I would kind of like an elaborate answer on why these changes are made. As discussed, it's just especially jarring in #FE's case.

Reminds me of back when people were comparing close pixelated captures of FF XIII for graphics debate, but on a bit of a creepier level. I'm usually one to lean to no censorship but you have to be specifically looking at that "area" to even notice that change. Whatever floats ones boat but its not a change I would remotely care about or notice.

 

[Azuran]

I saw this in that r/KotakuInAction subreddit via Twitter

Well there's you problem.

 

[Dremark]

Maybe I'm just old but I always find it odd when Nintendo works together with Sega.

 

[Dremark]

It's not a rumor, literally everything the leaker said has come true so far including the western title which no one could've made up without prior knowledge.

It could have been a lucky guess and a bunch of coincidences. I mean it's really unlikely but it's technically possible.

 

[Tohsaka]

It could have been a lucky guess and a bunch of coincidences. I mean it's really unlikely but it's technically possible.

I think it's extremely unlikely that someone who someone who wasn't already informed of the localized title would think "Genei ibun roku" could possibly be renamed "Tokyo Mirage Sessions" considering that's not even close to the literal translation. Why is it so hard for people to fathom that this stuff was leaked, especially since the guy who leaked it was right about other stuff not pertaining to this game in the past?

 

[Dremark]

I think it's extremely unlikely that someone who someone who wasn't already informed of the localized title would think "Genei ibun roku" could possibly be renamed "Tokyo Mirage Sessions" considering that's not even close to the literal translation. Why is it so hard for people to fathom that this stuff was leaked, especially since the guy who leaked it was right about other stuff not pertaining to this game in the past?

Lol, I'm just saying it's technically possible, it's almost definitely a legit leak.

I have no idea who the guy who leaked it is either. I'm just saying it's technically possible although obscenely unlikely.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Lol, I'm just saying it's technically possible, it's almost definitely a legit leak.

I have no idea who the guy who leaked it is either. I'm just saying it's technically possible although obscenely unlikely.

No, I would say it's 100% impossible that someone came up with "Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE is the name," "only Japanese audio" and "Atlus USA is handling the localization under NoA's supervision" and that it was all accurate, not to mention the point of age increase.

It is not technically possible. I have no idea why people are so insistent on the possibility that this is not 100% an actual leak.

 

[DecoReturns]

Who cares. At least this is coming over stateside. After sales, I assumed this was never heading over.

Haven't had a good RPG in a while, hope this is good. Even if the presentation is nothing to me, it looks fun to play.

 

[Dremark]

No, I would say it's 100% impossible that someone came up with "Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE is the name," "only Japanese audio" and "Atlus USA is handling the localization under NoA's supervision" and that it was all accurate, not to mention the point of age increase.

It is not technically possible. I have no idea why people are so insistent on the possibility that this is not 100% an actual leak.

Because there's nothing that prevents it from being possible. You're confusing unlikely with impossible.

Yeah it's almost definitely a leak, it's still possible it was a guess although extremely unlikely.

 

[Pancake Mix]

I don't think NOA would have had anything to do with Bravely, since both games originally released in Europe first and Squenix uses an Italian company to handle the localizations.

Also, how quickly we forget Pantygate in SO5.

If the publisher requested a change we wouldn't know about it. Doesn't matter who handled it, we don't know either way. Here's an example of someone else doing the localisation, but Nintendo still demanding changes/removals overseas, so anything is possible, even if it's Square Enix's game.