Atlus handling the western localization of Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE
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kunonabi
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Yeah, Japanese copy was the right decision.
UmbraeCruxis
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Man, it's not going to stop me from buying it and playing the shit out of it, but are these kinds of changes really necessary....
Palculator
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I'm so glad Atlus and Nintendo are around to sanitise my thoughts! What if a Western person would harbour impure feelings towards people that don't exist?
Fixing society one censored game at a time.
Fixing society one censored game at a time.
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Again, I'm just bummed I won't get to experience the content in the game as it was originally developed by Atlus because of unclear reasons. I'd feel better if the reason for changes weren't so nebulous, but all it looks to me right now is unnecessary and misguided.
If Atlus were publishing this, I guarantee you these changes wouldn't be made.
Yup, changes like that are beyond pathetic. It's not like the images are particularly suggestive ffs.
shadow2810
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Maybe their initial plan was to aim for E10+.
I find it funny how they allowed Platinum to go all out with Bayonetta 2 but Atlus is forced to censor the game.
It's bullshit.
that's why it's so confusing. I wonder if it's a recent change in NOA's mindset?
Astral Dog
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I wonder what the MC score is going to be, im hoping for 80-85 if this is indeed a good game, or the lack of a dub could affect reviews?
Want a new rpg for Wii U, Wii had a few gems late into its life.
Any idea what it could be? I agree with you that it can't just be ESRB consideration, sine the posters are milder than anything in the first Senran Kagura, which also got a T.
kunonabi
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It is better than the lazy edits for Kiria's outfit and Lin's swimsuits. I'd actually prefer the pants on kiria if the way they implemented it didn't look like so cheap.
Treehouse localized Devil's Third, so who knows.
Xenoblade X was definitely not lacking in the skimpy swimsuit department, either.
The 4chan leaker said back in November that the plan was ESRB: T/ PEGI: 12 which is pretty sad since E3 that year they said they were expecting M.
No idea. Nintendo says:
But... does that really make sense to anyone? What requirements and regulations? Even if it was something about "underage girls in swimsuits in X Western country," they've already aged up the characters.
The only thing I guess I can think of is that because this carries the Fire Emblem name, they want the series to be seen as family-friendly in the West and they want to destroy anything questionable that could lessen that image for the series.
Astral Dog
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If i had to guess, Bayonetta 2 is an M rated SEGA ip known for its violence and combat, maybe they think the FE ip is not suitable for "fanservice" due to western opinions.
While Nintendo in japan does not care.
Also the rating might have something to do with it? Maybe they were forced to cut a few things instead of getting an M
Like I said, I think Treehouse was assuming that the game would have fallen in line with Persona, which have had much lower ratings in Japan than they did abroad.
It is unreal how much time and money Nintendo wastes doing stupid shit like this, Unreal.
I might have to buy this preowned, every time I see some crap like this I just don't want to support Nintendo, and it's a shame because I love Atlus and the stuff they do, but man seriously Nintendo, quit wasting everyone's time with these pointless changes.
The shit storm they bring with every release that gets Censored here is so much worse than if they just left the game the way it was, they spend time and money to make these changes that do nothing but anger the people who want to buy the game.
I'd somewhat disagree in circumstances like a Bravely Default/Second or Fire Emblem Fates, because these kinds of localization can potentially be more profitable in regards to the mass market audience, regardless of the niche alienation some enthusiasts have.
In this case, however, we've already seen #FE's sales in Japan. There is absolutely nothing to gain with these changes in the West, when this game will only be selling to many of the kinds of people who would actually care about these changes. I bet the difference between a T rating or an M rating in regards to sales would be meaningless, too. It's just really weird.
shadow2810
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Yeah, I know that Fire Emblem Fates has some of that stuff. But I think that's still what Nintendo's mindset towards the series could be, and why changes were made to Fates similar to what we're seeing with #FE.
Is Europe getting the exact same localised version? I ask because Nintendo of Europe are sometimes different to NoA.
I'll still get the game and I'm not outraged or anything but it's just a bit ... pathetic of Nintendo. Like, can't they accept they have an audience on the Wii U which is comprised largely of their oldest fans who are well within the capacity to make an educated decision of whether they want to expose themselves to the more risqué aspects of the title. It just feels like shooting themselves in the foot. The game has ultra niche appeal, so why do all of the things during localisation that that niche detests?
I'll still get the game and I'm not outraged or anything but it's just a bit ... pathetic of Nintendo. Like, can't they accept they have an audience on the Wii U which is comprised largely of their oldest fans who are well within the capacity to make an educated decision of whether they want to expose themselves to the more risqué aspects of the title. It just feels like shooting themselves in the foot. The game has ultra niche appeal, so why do all of the things during localisation that that niche detests?
I don't see what was wrong with any of those games that they had to be changed, all these games are rated T, if they were able to get an E for them maybe that would have helped in some way, but nothing changed other than Nintendo getting a bunch of angry fans.
It's why I hate when I see JRPG's show up on Nintendo's console, think of how much better Xenoblade X would have sold on PS4/Xbone, and they wouldn't have had to change anything, but maybe the age of the 1 character because that is kind of an issue here lol.
Astral Dog
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Could NoA change a chapter a bit to reference America Next Top Model?
I'm almost 100% sure this was the driving force behind the changes, because normally they don't fuck with Atlus as far as I'm aware.
You hate seeing Nintendo games showing up on Nintendo systems? And your assertion on sales is hilariously out of touch with how badly JRPGs have been doing this gen on any console or PC unless they are massive brands.
Scientist Supreme!
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I just can't understand the people upset/bother by these tiny changes or calling it censorship.
These aren't huge plot points, they're just pictures.
These aren't huge plot points, they're just pictures.
NinjaCoachZ
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Yeah, that's what I think.
Actually looking at the interviews and such from the game, it basically seems to have been developed as a Fire Emblem game made by Atlus.
Bayonetta or Devil's Third aren't owned by Nintendo so they get more leeway. But a Nintendo IP means Nintendo standards.
In any case, at the end of the day it's just minor cosmetic textures. That thing shouldn't be a bother at all. I doubt anyone would notice if it wasn't pointed out because of what a small part of the game it is.
EDIT: Maaaaybe you can make a case for removal of the Hot spring DLC being bad (IF it is happening since it's not confirmed yet) because that's actual gameplay content, but a couple of textures is... Eh. If you want to say it doesn't hurt anyone by existing as it is, by the same token, the change shouldn't affect anyone either. Lateral shift.
It would've sold no copies because it wouldn't exist.
Even going by the argument that it would've sold more meaning there'd be no changes, I'm pretty sure that'd lead to more people being aware of the unsavoury stuff they'd have to get rid of, so it would've been changed regardless. The problem's not Nintendo forcing stuff onto society. Society has deemed that some things are not acceptable and the game is reflecting that.
For me, its more of a
its a rated T spinoff niche game on a dying/dead console
why make these changes? Aging the characters up? Fine. Everything else just seems like a waste of effort to appease who exactly in all of this?
Eolz
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Again, I'm just bummed I won't get to experience the content in the game as it was originally developed by Atlus because of unclear reasons. I'd feel better if the reason for changes weren't so nebulous, but all it looks to me right now is unnecessary and misguided.
If Atlus were publishing this, I guarantee you these changes wouldn't be made.
Blah.
How is this even related to "territory rules"?
Also, the european version has been rated PEGI12 btw. Those screens could easily have been in. Big shame to change the atmosphere like this.
It differs from the original vision the developers had for the game. That's about it for me. My care for this is proportional to how much I am interested in a title, and it so happens that #FE is the game I've been the most interested in that has been getting these kinds of modifications. It's also because there has been no open communication for why these changes are made.
I am also not a fan of having less content. We're losing DLC and optional costumes, presumably without replacement.
It's just dumb. It won't effect my enjoyment of the game in any way but why bother wasting time/money making these changes?
Jawmuncher
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Pretty much, nintendo scared of some random web article backlash I guess.
Like i'll still be buying and it doesn't bother me, but it's just odd to put this much work on changing things.
CrimsonFist
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Going by the last trailer, they're putting more of a focus on the Fire Emblem part than they did with the Japanese marketing.
And if the DLC is cut are we allowed to be upset? I don't care about the picture changes, but it also comes off as a pointless change to me. It also may speak to greater changes we have yet to see.
meltingparappa
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Even the most midwestern of midwestern moms wouldn't be upset at seeing figures in standard beachwear.
Who is this change for?
Who is this change for?
Eolz
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I'm pretty sure they made those changes before Fates was released in the west.
Originally it felt like it was being marketed as an Atlus game, with a high rating and such. But more recently I feel like they pivotted and the rating and plans seem to have changed.
They'd have seen forecasts on orders and expected sales. I'd think they got their data is there initially.
But that's the kicker man, no one would have said anything about the content in the game but now, it's going to be all over the place again "Nintendo making changes to #FE in the West!" and "Nintendo Censoring Tokyo Mirage Sessions"
NinjaCoachZ
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This is still a Nintendo game regardless of region. The artists who changed the game would still work for the developer, as does whoever had to program things back in. It's not as if they hired some other company to come in and make the changes without approval.
This isn't a forced change in developers' vision. It's the same developer making a change for because hmm... maybe this vision we have isn't completely infallible.
I mean, I myself think that the posters themselves are whatever in their original state, but at the same time the change itself is whatever enough that I just don't see why it should be some kind of dealbreaker, considering what a minor part of the game it is. If it's just background textures, isn't the point that you're not supposed to notice them?
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