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August 30th 2019 - The new Tool album

Ixion

Member
I'll be jamming the album in about 5 hours! Can't believe we're here! So surreal.

Hey guys, I really want to buy this. What's the best way so that I get whatever cool liner notes and art/packaging as physical CDs but still get a digital copy to roll into itunes or Amazon music? Can I go buy a physical copy from a store to get that stuff, and still get the rights on digital as well?

(sorry for the boomer question. I haven't bought new music in like a decade.)

The "Special Edition CD Package" has the CD, liner notes, artwork, audio/visual experience, etc, and it also has a download code for the digital version. With that said, it's supposed to be a limited edition that isn't easy to find right now. I pre-ordered mine on Amazon on Day 1, and I should be getting it today, but as for you, your best bet would be to call up your local Target, Best Buy, etc, and see if they have any in stock.

Rumor is that a standard CD edition will be released in a month or two, which I'm assuming won't include the audio/visual experience and 36-page art book.
 
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cr0w

Old Member
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My Target messed up and didn't remove an old sale tag. Last copy.
 

ebevan91

Member
I've listened to this album more in 12 hours than I have Undertow ever. Didn't care for Undertow outside of 3-4 songs.

Nowhere near as much as the other 3 albums though.
 

Ixion

Member
That was some sexy ass shit. Loved it. Very heavy, hypnotic and cohesive. You really do have to play it loud to hear all the orgasmic rhythmic sounds going on around you. I had to play this much louder than all the other music I listen to on Spotify. Felt much too low otherwise.
 

Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
That was some sexy ass shit. Loved it. Very heavy, hypnotic and cohesive. You really do have to play it loud to hear all the orgasmic rhythmic sounds going on around you. I had to play this much louder than all the other music I listen to on Spotify. Felt much too low otherwise.
I've noticed that as well. I wonder if it's recorded differently. I always heard that most modern music has a limited sound spectrum to crank the levels for smaller MP3 files.
 
Hey guys, I really want to buy this. What's the best way so that I get whatever cool liner notes and art/packaging as physical CDs but still get a digital copy to roll into itunes or Amazon music? Can I go buy a physical copy from a store to get that stuff, and still get the rights on digital as well?

(sorry for the boomer question. I haven't bought new music in like a decade.)

If you can find a physical copy, it comes with an MP3 download code.

saw this on reddit. They are doing 2 nights in Toronto which is 2 hours from me. Pittsburg is also another option, but I'd much prefer Toronto as I've been there multiple times and somewhat know the city. I have a feeling getting tickets will be next to impossible.





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Yea I'm in Western NY - been about 16 years since I've seen them live. I am hoping tickets aren't insane to get for one of the Toronto shows but I don't know. I don't want to chance it and not go, and have this be it for a tour. That seems unlikely, but you never know...

Album is incredible, especially the physical release. Staring at that video as it loops, whew.
 

DeSo

Banned
It's battling with 10k Days. Kind of expected a little more after 13 years. A lot of the songs feel like Lateralus outtakes.

7empest is easily the standout. The end of Invincible is fantastic too.

It's a good album, nothing special. Ænima and Lateralus still very unchallenged.
 
If you can find a physical copy, it comes with an MP3 download code.



Yea I'm in Western NY - been about 16 years since I've seen them live. I am hoping tickets aren't insane to get for one of the Toronto shows but I don't know. I don't want to chance it and not go, and have this be it for a tour. That seems unlikely, but you never know...

Album is incredible, especially the physical release. Staring at that video as it loops, whew.

Crazy, you know if they played Buffalo or Rochester we’d still have to contend from everyone in Ontario.

Thinking of flying down to Raleigh, NC to see it since my brother lives down there.
 
7empest is reportedly the best song on the album, but I don't hear that yet.

Reddit have some good takes on the album, worth a read.

One of my first thoughts is that Maynard has taken a humble position, and this probably comes with growing as an artist (what you don't add is as important as what you add).

The guitar riffs are insanely tight. And the production reflects this too. The word I have on my mind is "dry", but that doesn't do any justice to the sound. I've never heard such tight riffage. The standout moment on the whole album for me is that solo riff halfway through Pneuma.

One of the things I heard throughout the whole album on first listen was those lovely scales Adam Jones uses that would come up once or twice on their old albums. Hard to describe (reminds me of sunsets).

My take on the most memorable bits from the songs:

1. Fear Inoculum - Lyrics, melody, mood.
2. Pnuma - tight, tight, tight.
3. Invincible - Glacial Slow, OMG, love it!
4. Descending - First time that bass sound hits you. Never heard such a bass sound.
5. Culling voices - them scales
6. Chocolate Chip Trip - Not a drum solo in my mind, just an exploration of sound (I'm reading man vs. machine...)
7. 7empest - riff after riff after riff, good ending track.

I've just put on Lateralus to get a feeling for the "old stuff". What a body of work they've made - Lateralus, 10,000 Days, Fear Inoculum.

Listening and concentrating on the music will take you places (with or without drugs). I used to have these strange dreams as a kid that I was a spontaneously infinitely small and large orb going from one circle/ball to the next. I only ever had a few of the dreams, but when I started meditating in my 20s I got these feelings again. Last night listening to Fear Inoculum, they came back again. Music really can cure our fears and connect us to ourselves, our universe, and each other. (Sorry if this is crass, but sod it, and need I say it but this is subjective I get it.)

Reflection:
So crucify the ego, before it's far too late
To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical
And you will come to find that we are all one mind
Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable
Just let the light touch you
And let the words spill through
And let them pass right through
Bringing out our hope and reason
 
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crowbrow

Banned
I have been really stressed These days because of work so i don't want to listen to it yet. I need to wait for a good moment and context. I mean this is fucking Tool, if you don't take Tool seriously you're doing something wrong lol. Anyways, im pleased from what i've heard from several friends about this album. Seems we have another Tool masterpiece as expected.
 
I have been really stressed These days because of work so i don't want to listen to it yet. I need to wait for a good moment and context. I mean this is fucking Tool, if you don't take Tool seriously you're doing something wrong lol. Anyways, im pleased from what i've heard from several friends about this album. Seems we have another Tool masterpiece as expected.

First time was on my cheap headphones.
Second was on my kid's stereo.
Third time was as background music whilst shopping for kitchens with my wife.

FML :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

JimiNutz

Banned
I listened to this all the way through for the first time last night while I was tripping hard and found it kind of overwhelming. I need to give it another go today with a milder high because the only tracks I really remember from the experience were Fear Inoculum and 7empest.
 
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Drake

Member
Yea I'm in Western NY - been about 16 years since I've seen them live. I am hoping tickets aren't insane to get for one of the Toronto shows but I don't know. I don't want to chance it and not go, and have this be it for a tour. That seems unlikely, but you never know...

Album is incredible, especially the physical release. Staring at that video as it loops, whew.

yeah I was at that show too. HSBC area 2002. I remembered they opened with Sober. Gave me fucking chills.
 
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Ixion

Member
So yeah, I don’t know if it’s because I jammed this album on my home surround system as loud as possible, or because I had the audio/visual experience from the special packaging going on in front of me, or because I was stoned as hell, but damn that first listen more than lived up to my expectations.

After one listen, my general takeaway is that this album was Tool’s take on Post-Metal/Stoner Metal. Basically the whole album was one long hypnotic chug. The reviewers were on to something when they said this album felt “massive”, since I feel this album more than any other Tool album feels greater than the sum of its parts. Tool said they would usually work on one song at a time for previous albums whereas with this one they worked on all the songs simultaneously, and you can definitely hear that.

As for Maynard, I enjoyed his vocals. When he was there he definitely added to the experience. He hits a lot of high notes and I liked how they swept through a lot of cool different effects on his voice. And it’s not like he barely shows up. The main driving force of this album is the aforementioned rhythmic hypnotism, and it’s so effective that Maynard’s vocals sound like an added bonus.

Overall, it sounds like Tool distilled in a new, cohesive, hypnotic direction. I can absolutely see why some people wouldn’t like this album since it commits to a specific approach, but damn I’m all about it.
 
So yeah, I don’t know if it’s because I jammed this album on my home surround system as loud as possible, or because I had the audio/visual experience from the special packaging going on in front of me, or because I was stoned as hell, but damn that first listen more than lived up to my expectations.

After one listen, my general takeaway is that this album was Tool’s take on Post-Metal/Stoner Metal. Basically the whole album was one long hypnotic chug. The reviewers were on to something when they said this album felt “massive”, since I feel this album more than any other Tool album feels greater than the sum of its parts. Tool said they would usually work on one song at a time for previous albums whereas with this one they worked on all the songs simultaneously, and you can definitely hear that.

As for Maynard, I enjoyed his vocals. When he was there he definitely added to the experience. He hits a lot of high notes and I liked how they swept through a lot of cool different effects on his voice. And it’s not like he barely shows up. The main driving force of this album is the aforementioned rhythmic hypnotism, and it’s so effective that Maynard’s vocals sound like an added bonus.

Overall, it sounds like Tool distilled in a new, cohesive, hypnotic direction. I can absolutely see why some people wouldn’t like this album since it commits to a specific approach, but damn I’m all about it.

This is on the money.

Hypnotic chug is a perfect description. I get that feeling from every song on it.
 
Crazy, you know if they played Buffalo or Rochester we’d still have to contend from everyone in Ontario.

Thinking of flying down to Raleigh, NC to see it since my brother lives down there.
I know it, that's why the ideal situation is a show in non-NYC location. I'd be fine with Rochester, Syracuse or even Albany. I know they're 15 years older now but when I saw them during Lateralus tour I saw them in three different cities (Binghamton, Albany, Buffalo).

Fuck, I hope they announce more dates.
 
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Ixion

Member
Alright, my current thoughts on the album after listening another five times....I think this album basically comes down to this:

Adam Jones: A+
Danny Carrey: A+
Justin Chancellor: A-
Maynard James Keenan: B

This is a great album. Danny Carrey is consistently giving you his next-level octopus drumming more than ever before, Adam Jones gives you more guitar leads and solos than ever and they're nearly all great with some being straight-up orgasm inducing, and Justin Chancellor provides some great new catchy basslines with his badass tone and he sounds tight as hell when playing with Danny and Adam.

As for Maynard, he is definitely good for the most part. He generally provides some good vocal melodies and fitting lyrics, I like the various effects he uses, and he does a decent job of amping up his power/projection a bit when leading into a badass instrumental section. But especially after comparing this album to their previous albums, you can't help but wonder how much better these very good songs would be if Maynard was providing his dynamic vocal melodies and emotion throughout more parts in the album, especially the climaxes. There are a handful of sections where the instrumentals are cool, but Maynard could have definitely elevated the experience even further as he's done many times before. I also would have liked a bit more attitude/aggression from him when the music warranted it. Again, he does a good job of increasing his power/aggression slightly leading into a badass section, but there are a few instances where I felt he kind of brings the energy level down when the song would be better with some more hype vocals.

Overall, this is a great album that doesn't quite reach the heights of Tool's best albums since Maynard, while good, doesn't deliver the same amazing performance we're used to with Tool while the other members give you roughly the same level of amazing instrumentals. At least that's my current take on it.

My current favorite songs are:

Fear Inoculum
Pneuma
7empest
Mockingbeat
 

Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
Well I'm a week into this album, listening to only this nonstop. I started out first hearing Invincible and Descending live on tour, and I was not blown away. I felt the guitar was weak, hated the guitar tone and thought the drums were forced to overplay to fill the empty space. Then I heard Fear Inoculum and didn't totally love it, and thought the vocals were a little strange.

Since then I have gone on a journey and completely changed my mind.

I literally had to reacquire the ear for hearing rock guitar with warm tones not drop tuned like most metal I listen to. It took me about 20 listens to get used to it again and remember how cool that can sound. I had to readjust my internal pacing when listening to music, as we all are on iPod time now and skip songs every minute or two. Instead, this album has intros that last 2 minutes before it even starts. I thought that wouldn't be a problem, but it turns out I was impatient and had to learn patience again. I immediately loved the bass, but it is still easy to miss some of the intricate ways he plays against the other instruments.

Now I'm just almost completely blown away by the album and how truly original it is. It's this insane, illogical fusion of pseudo-classic rock guitar with extremely creative song structure, completely over the top shredding drums with the best drum recording and sound quality maybe ever, bass guitar focused on delay and effects heavy melodic play, and vocals that shy away from songs at every turn and take a purposeful meditative backseat to every other instrument. No one is playing anything like this.

I listen to Meshuggah, and Animals as Leaders and lots of technical music for decades, but I still felt like this album went over my head for over a week. For most people, it may remain over the head indefinitely.

And honestly, it's still over my head. I can't even really count songs in 7 yet, and my brother who is a drummer is going to show me next time.

To me, this album is a triumph of breaking all the rules. Want 3 intros to a song to take 3 minutes before you truly even start? Go for it. Want over the top drum solos throughout? No problem. But in reality, this album has probably more rules than any of their others, and plays around with being in 7 throughout in an extremely calculated and polished way. And I am not even at the point yet that I can even tell that's true. Most albums, metal or not, I can get to the point that I've more or less memorized the drums for the entire album and can mentally follow along almost perfectly. It may take years before I feel like I can do that with this album's drums.

After listening to this album straight for a week and forming my opinions, a pivotal moment was going back to their previous stuff to skim it. It all sounded so simplistic and formulaic in comparison that it was shocking. That's when it started to sink in how weird, original and complex this album is.
 
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Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
Tickets for the North American tour go on sale tomorrow. I'm probably going to the 2nd night in Toronto (assuming I can get tickets)
I can't make it to any of them this time. Minimum 5 hrs drive to get to the closest one. Maybe next time ...
 
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Pretentious pricks over at Pitchfork gave the album a 5.4/10.


I got to the term "gamer intellectualism" and decided the review is spiralling out and up it's own ass.

Anytime someone mentions "pseudo-intellectual" as a criticism I pretty much ignore them. Of course, their version is "gamer intellectualism".

They only like political art. Mentions of rape tweets in this review. Wasn't expecting much from them anyway. Constant comparisons to the 90s rock scene. Like, let it go already.

Let go, let go, let go, let go, let go!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Well I'm a week into this album, listening to only this nonstop. I started out first hearing Invincible and Descending live on tour, and I was not blown away. I felt the guitar was weak, hated the guitar tone and thought the drums were forced to overplay to fill the empty space. Then I heard Fear Inoculum and didn't totally love it, and thought the vocals were a little strange.

Since then I have gone on a journey and completely changed my mind.

I literally had to reacquire the ear for hearing rock guitar with warm tones not drop tuned like most metal I listen to. It took me about 20 listens to get used to it again and remember how cool that can sound. I had to readjust my internal pacing when listening to music, as we all are on iPod time now and skip songs every minute or two. Instead, this album has intros that last 2 minutes before it even starts. I thought that wouldn't be a problem, but it turns out I was impatient and had to learn patience again. I immediately loved the bass, but it is still easy to miss some of the intricate ways he plays against the other instruments.

Now I'm just almost completely blown away by the album and how truly original it is. It's this insane, illogical fusion of pseudo-classic rock guitar with extremely creative song structure, completely over the top shredding drums with the best drum recording and sound quality maybe ever, bass guitar focused on delay and effects heavy melodic play, and vocals that shy away from songs at every turn and take a purposeful meditative backseat to every other instrument. No one is playing anything like this.

I listen to Meshuggah, and Animals as Leaders and lots of technical music for decades, but I still felt like this album went over my head for over a week. For most people, it may remain over the head indefinitely.

And honestly, it's still over my head. I can't even really count songs in 7 yet, and my brother who is a drummer is going to show me next time.

To me, this album is a triumph of breaking all the rules. Want 3 intros to a song to take 3 minutes before you truly even start? Go for it. Want over the top drum solos throughout? No problem. But in reality, this album has probably more rules than any of their others, and plays around with being in 7 throughout in an extremely calculated and polished way. And I am not even at the point yet that I can even tell that's true. Most albums, metal or not, I can get to the point that I've more or less memorized the drums for the entire album and can mentally follow along almost perfectly. It may take years before I feel like I can do that with this album's drums.

After listening to this album straight for a week and forming my opinions, a pivotal moment was going back to their previous stuff to skim it. It all sounded so simplistic and formulaic in comparison that it was shocking. That's when it started to sink in how weird, original and complex this album is.

Your review's great. I kinda agree with most of what you said. The warm tones, the classic-rock echoes, I love it.

It's the length of the songs I like the most. They really get to breathe (ha!). I still think I have a mental block with 7empest, simply because of the length - my brain can't break it down!
 
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Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
Your review's great. I kinda agree with most of what you said. The warm tones, the classic-rock echoes, I love it.

It's the length of the songs I like the most. They really get to breathe (ha!). I still think I have a mental block with 7empest, simply because of the length - my brain can't break it down!
I know what you mean! It's honestly fine to even break a song like that into 1/3rds and listen to 5 minute sections on repeat a few times. I keep catching little additional details and that's when it starts to land emotionally, when you can start to wrap your head around it and anticipate some of the changes. It's just such a beast of a song.
 

iamblades

Member
I’m obsessed with Descending. Pneuma is a close second for me. 7empest is growing on me as well.

Incredible album. Worth the wait.

^^

ONE DRIVE. TO. STAY ALIVE.
Funny, Undertow was the last album to grew on me. I adore it nowadays, didn't care much about it in the past.

I still can't rank any song in the new album btw.

Undertow is still probably my personal favorite, but that may be just because it's where I started, so it has some sentimentality for me.
 

Ixion

Member
Just bought 2 seats for the Pittsburgh show. FUCK they were expensive.

lol Yeah, I've never actually tried to buy tickets for a huge band right at sale time. I got in the queue for the Brooklyn show and I really wanted a floor seat since I already saw Tool once in the bleachers. But every damn time it was "HAHA Someone beat you to it!" Motherfucker. So I went ahead and bought some middle floor seats on Stubhub for $300 a piece lol. I want to see this band on the floor at least once, so whatev.
 
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