excelsiorlef
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I'll be honest they never should have put Bayley in front of this crowd.
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August Wrasslin' |OT| I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU-LY
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I mean it's a bad comparison because WWE thinks far more highly of Finn than NJPW does of EVIL. Ask yourself, if Shibata hadn't gotten messed up, would EVIL be beating Okada?
Meanwhile Finn was face of an entire brand for WWE for more than a year.
Roman lost to Finn clean 1 2 3. That's not a disputable fact.
EVIL is a filler title defense for Okada and has no hope of winning. He probably will never win the IWGP heavyweight belt.
Finn was also the champion on their other program and while that does not always mean anything (Neville, Sami) with picks ups like AJ and Nakamura they realized that keeping these people hot makes a difference.
Lest I point out Cena and Owens if you are trying to make this out to be a first time rarity.
sf2fanatic
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So OwensIsDone got to wrestle tonight..
excelsiorlef
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Btw Raw it's official commentary ruins Raw
This show was great without Cole and Booker... Graves is cool but yeah.
This show was great without Cole and Booker... Graves is cool but yeah.
That is what I am saying, Finn is on a different level and WWE has high plans for Finn.
Trying to say that Reigns putting Finn over is on the same level when this was in response to Okada and Reigns being "PROTECTED" is just asinine.
Putting Finn over is no upset and would never be seen as an upset.
Evil going over, can be considered an upset no matter how good his G1 is going.
Okada has been undefeated.
Totally agree about Shibata too.
Shitty thing is I can not bring myself to go watch a Shibata match lately.
I'm so confused at the point He's is trying to make.
Finn beating Roman his first night in is probably on par with EVIL beating Okada, if not a bigger moment.
It was an upset and as a dude watching on the night I was shocked just how strongly Finn was put over.
That said my expectations were zero so that may play into it.
Finn beating Roman his first night in is probably on par with EVIL beating Okada, if not a bigger moment.
It was an upset and as a dude watching on the night I was shocked just how strongly Finn was put over.
That said my expectations were zero so that may play into it.
https://twitter.com/reasonjp/status/893849301620621313
Pretty cool backstory to the Okada/Suzuki match tonight/later today.
They also fought three years ago at G124 in the same building on the same day. Okada won of course. And he'll probably win again today.
At least he'll get a title shot as a result of beating Okada during the G1. Not happening any time soon though.
Pretty cool backstory to the Okada/Suzuki match tonight/later today.
They also fought three years ago at G124 in the same building on the same day. Okada won of course. And he'll probably win again today.
At least he'll get a title shot as a result of beating Okada during the G1. Not happening any time soon though.
excelsiorlef
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Why the fuck we arguing Finn vs EVIL?
serenewarfare
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That'd be a pretty dope match
sf2fanatic
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Sweeney Tom would be proud on Wednesday. TNA is NXT's main event
excelsiorlef
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serenewarfare
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You know, for all the talk of guys being less happy or ruined when they go from Japan to WWE, I can only really think of one guy who is probably unhappy with the move, and that would be Hideo. And even that's just a guess. Even Gallows and Anderson, while not booked as well, are probably making more money and are closer to their families. Finn, Asuka, Nakamura, AJ, and even Tozawa seem to be happy with their current spots. And that's saying a lot considering Tozawa's position.
blackaroni
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Thats every Hex post.
Sibersk Esto
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I heard Bayley got dumped on tonight?
SallyIsNow
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Woah woah woah. PG era over?!
serenewarfare
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I wonder if NJPW would have ever given Finn the heavyweight strap.
He seems like one of the few guys who greatly benefited from the WWE move from a booking perspective. He went from being a sometimes heavyweight to a world champ in his first month on the WWE main roster.
He seems like one of the few guys who greatly benefited from the WWE move from a booking perspective. He went from being a sometimes heavyweight to a world champ in his first month on the WWE main roster.
They're all worse wrestlers, so there's varying degrees of ruination going on. Whether they're happy or not doesn't really factor into the appraisal.
sf2fanatic
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Bayley said cheesy. 😅😅
excelsiorlef
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Idiots put her in front of a Toronto crowd
excelsiorlef
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Ambrose was getting Ambrose sucks dueling chants (dunno if that was audible on TV)
Toronto is a pretty fuck you we do what we want crowd
Well I can't blame the Toronto crowd for that. They wanted a Shield reunion and Ambrose is the only one preventing it until Rollins turned down the fist bump.
RecRoulette
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Highly, highly doubt it. The only time I could've seen him with it was during the time AJ had the belt.
They probably would if he ever went back now that he has the WWE exposure.
sf2fanatic
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Rome definitely the new Cena. Even fans wearing the "Roman Sucks" Shirts. Just need Rome to troll the fan
excelsiorlef
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Lol Raw is going to win this week...
Jinder vs Orton non title tomorrow
Jinder vs Orton non title tomorrow
serenewarfare
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That's exactly my point though. I think we care a lot more about their "ruination" than they do. It's why I think people are off-base very often when they say "oh, X wrestler would never go to WWE after seeing how Y was used!" It even was supported by that interview with Ricochet when he talked about 205 Live.
Like we talk about WWE ruining them, but they all seem happier, so to me I can't be too mad at it.
RecRoulette
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I don't see anyone outside of Okada or Naito holding that belt over the next year or longer, maaaaybe Kenny if he sticks around, but that's doubtful too.
serenewarfare
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Rusev interferes. Jinder wins.
Alternatively, Rusev interferes, Nakamura stops him. Randy wins.
Alternatively, Rusev interferes, Nakamura stops him. Tag team match playa.
There, I think I covered all of WWE's feud ideas.
They put Cody Rhodes and Billy Gunn in main event level matches.
Let's not act like NJPW is above pushing a guy near or to the top based on name value.
SomewhatGroovy
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It was uncomfortable to watch. The lady has zero skills on the mic when it comes to delivery and thinking on her feet. She should not have acknowledged the boos. she should have taken it to the chin, digested it and figured out a way to react to it in future shows.
excelsiorlef
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Randy winning makes sense.
He gets his revenge and everything moves on.
Wonder what AJ and Owens are gonna do
Yeah I think people think these guys care about this stuff more than we do. I just don't care for the altruism as a fan. Nobody gave a shit that Michael Caine bought a third house for Jaws 4, they just remarked "man, Caine really sucks since he started chasing paychecks". Nobody would have been stoked for De Niro if he went straight from Taxi Driver to Rocky and Bullwinkel and Focker movies. There's nothing wrong with being happy for their personal lives and lamenting that they suck. One has nothing to do with the other.
SomewhatGroovy
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Stop screaming at me about mutual exclusivity, Foggy.
Y..y.y..you think you know me...
Ona serious note: did anyone watch Table of 3 with DDP, Xpac and Hall?
Y..y.y..you think you know me...
Ona serious note: did anyone watch Table of 3 with DDP, Xpac and Hall?
serenewarfare
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I'm not saying they are directly related or that you necessarily can't be upset at that. But I don't know if it directly translates like that. I think it just boils down to me personally thinking that they are still mostly doing good work. Not as good, mind you, but nothing of the drastic examples you used.
Like if you are a big fan of an indie actor, and they get a big break role in a movie that may not be as great as their indie work but is still decent, you'd probably be happy for them, no?
That Bayley thing was on her. They weren't booing her because they hated her, they booed her because she said she was injured like they always boo when someone's injured. If they hated her they'd cheer when she said she was injured. Where she fucked up, and damn near turned heel, is when she addressed the boos so they really booed her. She pretty much fucked herself in the end. I can't blame that on booking, I blame that on her not knowing how to deal with the crowd.
She's fucked for a lil while.
She's fucked for a lil while.
That's fine, personal evaluations and all that. The De Niro example is definitely hyperbolic, but the Caine one is apropos for me. Caine was still the best part of his paycheck movies, but I don't want to watch them and when I do he's pretty damn bad. Except for Jaws 4 when I was 8, but I didn't know any better.
Not really. At the end of the day, they're producer and I'm consumer. Anything past that is a construct of my imagination.
serenewarfare
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Kairi is coming very soon....
Not to do this though. She broke that girl's nose.
Not to do this though. She broke that girl's nose.
half a moon
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Did I just see someones nose get broken? Reported.
BewareTheBatsie
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jesus christKairi is coming very soon....
Not to do this though. She broke that girl's nose.
half a moon
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Been using wrasslin' as escapeism. Need to get records together and apply for some shit.
BewareTheBatsie
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Dental Plan
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Bayley looked like a freighted child in front of that crowd. That was brutal. She is definitely not ready for the spotlight.
sf2fanatic
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Oh Dana. She had a Lita moment
This is *wild*. I wonder if this technology could be used to fix brain damage like Shibata's got?