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August Wrasslin' |OT| I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU-LY
- Thread starter Hasney
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Life comes at Corbin fast huh?
Getting flashbacks of when Miz son'd him on commentary.
amazing.
Why isnt Miz champion? oh right he's short.
Fuck this company.
blackaroni
Member
He's the IC champ now.
sf2fanatic
Member
C.R.E.A.M
TarpitCarnivore
Member
He already had one
agreed
serenewarfare
Banned
Wrestling to me is equal parts promo and in-ring. Sure, Miz isn't the best in the ring, but he's fine. And to flip your argument around, I remember his promos from last fall and the buildup to WM a hell of a lot more than I remember anyone else's.
Part of wrestling is promos. Acting like they aren't worth anything is dumb IMO. And he's had enough good matches to at least partially keep him rated decent on that front.
you know what I meant.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
Is Miz short? Of all the reasons I could think why they won't give him the world belt again, him being short is definitely not it given he's definitely above six foot.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
What matches does he have that are even vaguely memorable other than that Ziggler one that nobody here can probably remember which PPV it was on without looking it up.
He already had a run and main-evented WrestleMania. And won the main event.
The point of a promo is to get your match over. He can't do that because he's had 10 years of putting complete nothing matches so nobody cares. In that sense I don't even agree he's that good on promos. There's only so good you can be when you've proven you can't back anything you're saying up.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
No Mercy? I mean, maybe it's because I'm a huge Miz fan but I didn't have to look it up.
blackaroni
Member
None. There are no other memorable matches.
Didn't he have a pretty decent match with Styles?
And honestly, in-ring performance doesn't matter that much in WWE these days.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Y'all already forgot that Miz already had a World Title reign and that it was one of the worst of the decade.
SallyIsNow
Banned
Nah man. The fucking vid package for that PPV was amazing.
No Mercy
See? You did it again!
so did kevin owens
BewareTheBatsie
Member
Miz is kind of in that role of clearly well liked backstage, but in a midcard way.
Like I don't think he'll ever get a world title again, but not because he's hated. Dude probably has a backstage role or a commentator job ready to be offered by Vince the second he retires.
Like I don't think he'll ever get a world title again, but not because he's hated. Dude probably has a backstage role or a commentator job ready to be offered by Vince the second he retires.
serenewarfare
Banned
I just don't get the argument that we can only use Miz's matches as a judge of his quality. He's a great talker and that matters.
He's in a much better place character and promo-wise than he was then.
He's in a much better place character and promo-wise than he was then.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That's not even sort of true. The in-ring quality of WWE matches is higher than it has ever been in the history of the company. That's not even just my own random opinion: Meltzer says it all of the time on twitter and also mentions that in-ring work matters more now that it ever did.
He had a pretty good match with AJ (weird right?) on a Smackdown, but they kept cutting to Cena because he was on commentary.
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
Yeah but how do you quantify who was responsible for that? Maybe Dolph promos got him over because writers peeled back micromanagement and Vince wasnt feeding Dolph cue cards?
I mean, Miz is Miz. I don't buy that Miz has helped change the trajectory of anyone's career whether it was for a night or indefinitely. Dolph isn't doing shit today except jobbing per usual so either the rub wasn't a rub or he fucked it up.
I dunno
He talks good but the biggest problem is that no one takes him seriously.
SallyIsNow
Banned
Has Jinder had any memorable matches? Does the Punjabi one count? Lol
serenewarfare
Banned
My only argument against that point is just that that has literally never happened another time in Dolph's career. So what are the odds it happens one time against Miz, he gets over, and then they decide to revert to their old ways again forever?
His matches have heat most of the time, so apparently not.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
No, it's because the script started leaning towards Miz doing worked shoot promos to bury people (which he gets to do like 10% of the time) instead of it being 100% inane Miz TV nonsense.
Dolph Ziggler has arguably the most well remembered cash-in ever up until Rollins did it at WM. Ziggler was pretty over for a while.
sf2fanatic
Member
Remember Cena and Miz were Tag Champs?
Then lost them right after..lol
BewareTheBatsie
Member
Speaking of Ziggler according to Alvarez (so grain of salt to be taken) apparently he's being repackaged.
has anyone had a memorable match with randy orton since 2004?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Daniel Bryan/Batista/Orton triple threat, mostly because Bryan was in the match. But that's the point. You remember random Bryan matches all the time because he was actual good.
Look at how much being a great in-ring worker is helping Sami Zayn and Apollo Crews! Remember how AJ Styles was suddenly a curtain jerker once WrestleMania came around? Meanwhile your Universal Champion is a guy who shows up twice a year and does 2 moves. And your WWE Champion is Jinder Mahal, who was defending his title against Randy Orton.
So looking at the main event picture, I have a hard time believing in-ring quality matters that much.
Darn, hoping he was low-key released.
sf2fanatic
Member
Guys, what if they allowed
Seff
Jinder Mahal
Brian_FETO
Banned
It's hard to really hold the in-ring stuff against Miz when everyone in the company is operating within the same framework and style
The few (the proud) like AJ can still tell a rad story within it. But majority of the guys, despite having some sweet movez to bust out, are just cycling through their 5 signature spots every match
You're very rarely going to get incredible in-ring stuff from WWE so it's better to embrace the stuff that thrives in that environment. Bliss, Miz, etc.
I'd rather see a character put on a whatever match, as long as the whatever match is elevated by their character. Miz was killing it on Smackdown, in pretty much every feud
The few (the proud) like AJ can still tell a rad story within it. But majority of the guys, despite having some sweet movez to bust out, are just cycling through their 5 signature spots every match
You're very rarely going to get incredible in-ring stuff from WWE so it's better to embrace the stuff that thrives in that environment. Bliss, Miz, etc.
I'd rather see a character put on a whatever match, as long as the whatever match is elevated by their character. Miz was killing it on Smackdown, in pretty much every feud
HashtagLapsed
Member
Jinder hasnt had a memorable match with anyone.
I dont even know what the last good champ run was. Rollins with the authority chicken shit thing was terrible.
I dont even know what the last good champ run was. Rollins with the authority chicken shit thing was terrible.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The Universal Champion is doing a match that includes Samoa Joe and Mahal is defending against Shinsuke Nakamura.
And I think it IS helping Zayn. Zayn isn't a guy who would even make the roster if he wasn't a great wrestler and all he had was a goofy look. The fact that Zayn's ceiling isn't main eventing WrestleMania is mostly a miscalculation on the part of smarks. And AJ Styles won the World Title less than 12 months ago and was the main event of like every SmackDown show following SummerSlam so I don't get that.
The booking at the largest events like Mania is done that way because Vince is up his own ass, but on a day-to-day basis it totally does matter if you can go.
AJ Styles.
Owens was entertaining too because the buddy act with Jericho was amusing.
I think most people liked seeing Ambrose get a run even if it was short. I don't really know why they put Ziggler in the main event for the title at SummerSlam last year though.
That's not a counter-point any more than if I located the absolute worst worker in NJPW and argued it was bad. Guys like AJ Styles/Kevin Owens/Sami Zayn literally would not have ever worked in the company 10 years ago.
AJ Styles was WWE champ until it became time for Vince to start marketing the important shows. Then AJ lost the strap and was fighting part timers
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Fighting the part timers is considered a good gig for WrestleMania. You might not like that, but it's true.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
It might be just me, but I always saw AJ getting to fight Shane as something at least in Vince's view, of how he's seen as a top guy who's reliable.
Yeah but it kills the narrative that work rate is really important when WWE clearly shows that isn't the case.