My 7-8 year old consoles are getting old. Time for an upgrade.
Tiranfall? Yeah, I'll just get that on PC. Not supporting MS's XB1.
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August Wrasslin' |OT| starring Bryan Danielson & John Cena in a worked reality show
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Tiranfall? Yeah, I'll just get that on PC. Not supporting MS's XB1.
if you've 'elevated' your viewing to real fighting then don't transfer your expectations to pro-wrestling. pro-wrestling is drama, it's a performance, not a fight. the entire point of it is to suspend disbelief, the only thing that determines who can be a 'champion' in pro-wrestling is the ability of the person to perform, and whether the person is 'good for business' in terms of marketability.
RAW ratings have increased pretty dramatically since the emphasis shifted from Cena as the standalone face to Daniel Bryan. people like him, and he can put on a far better match than anyone bigger than him (not counting CM Punk). there are big guys who fit the juicehead stereotype on the roster who are great wrestlers, but no-one can hold a torch to Daniel Bryan at the moment. he's the right guy at the right time, whether he would win an MMA fight is as important to his popularity as whether he has a bigger dick than Randy Orton, or whether he's as good at Trivial Pursuit as HHH.
Vince McMahon is not an idiot. he made a horrible mistake in his initial estimation of CM Punk and he's not ashamed to admit it now, he's not ashamed to use it as an angle, just watch Punks DVD. hell, the entire storyline in the WWE at the moment is a SATIRE of the fact Vince McMahon used to think only big guys could get over and carry the company. do you think he would allow himself to be mocked like that? no, he's behind this story, he's poking fun at himself, and how internet fans see him. its his decision to push Daniel Bryan and it's done nothing so far but increase business and refresh what was becoming a particularly stale product, so one guy thinking D-Bry isn't believable because MMA exists is of no concern to anyone really.
RAW ratings have increased pretty dramatically since the emphasis shifted from Cena as the standalone face to Daniel Bryan. people like him, and he can put on a far better match than anyone bigger than him (not counting CM Punk). there are big guys who fit the juicehead stereotype on the roster who are great wrestlers, but no-one can hold a torch to Daniel Bryan at the moment. he's the right guy at the right time, whether he would win an MMA fight is as important to his popularity as whether he has a bigger dick than Randy Orton, or whether he's as good at Trivial Pursuit as HHH.
Vince McMahon is not an idiot. he made a horrible mistake in his initial estimation of CM Punk and he's not ashamed to admit it now, he's not ashamed to use it as an angle, just watch Punks DVD. hell, the entire storyline in the WWE at the moment is a SATIRE of the fact Vince McMahon used to think only big guys could get over and carry the company. do you think he would allow himself to be mocked like that? no, he's behind this story, he's poking fun at himself, and how internet fans see him. its his decision to push Daniel Bryan and it's done nothing so far but increase business and refresh what was becoming a particularly stale product, so one guy thinking D-Bry isn't believable because MMA exists is of no concern to anyone really.
yeah agreed. two guys with equal MMA training would be affected by size, but I'm pretty confident Bryan could take Orton in a real fight. just look at Jericho and Goldberg. I know it wasn't like Jericho totally kicked his ass, but he had absolutely no right to choke him out and come out on top of that exchange.
Orton Plates for Belt
I love the customized plates for this belt. Adds character to it.
Every time a new person gets
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I miss WMAC Masters, guys.
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PRIDE was the best. MMA is enjoyable but the signal to noise ratio is rough. If you want to be entertained and you sat down for a Machida match you've made a grave error. Some fights are impossibly boring, some are absolutely fantastic. It has the huge "anything can happen" card which is forced in wrasslin but not in MMA. It appeals to me. I enjoy both and will continue to enjoy both. I find I like my wrasslin most when I feel that anything can happen.
Also lel @ anyone thinking D. Brine could win a real life fight. Dude's beta to the max. Betamax.
Also lel @ anyone thinking D. Brine could win a real life fight. Dude's beta to the max. Betamax.
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Mascarita Dorada is with El Matadors? This is the best news
Lambda Pie
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folks who can build a fight in the UFC are few and far between. can't wait for Barnett to come and start talking shit to Mir and vice versa.
I've watched a few events in my day but bottom line, I don't care about the competitors. I have nothing invested in it.
It's almost like when people complain about characters in movies being one dimensional or flat, or whatever. I need more.
Yeah I might not care legitimately about the wins and losses in Pro Wresyling, but I do have some sort of empathy for the performers. Hell part of the reason it became a work is because regular amateur wrestling was simply boring to the regular population.
Kudos to UFC for making a name for itself, but yeah it's not for me. I won't be using my time for it.
BronsonLee
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Wait...It's just a freaking replica of the new one and not the original old one with the Red X?
Why the hell would I pay that? Hell, the CHIKARA belts look like a deal at that rate!
Lambda Pie
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that's some grade-A marking there. assuming Orton knows how to throw a jab, a straight and a low kick and keep a low stance, Bryan wouldn't even come close to him. the reach advantage is obscene, pornographic even.
Goldberg, as much as i like him, is just a Power Plant product. he botched submissions holds constantly and had the worst armbar in pro-wrasslin. and if i remember correctly, he didn't expect Jericho to react so he essentially got to close and got caught.
Apparently it's a real copy from Wildcat Championship belts, not a replica.
This belt is ugly. Ew.
Has to be a typing error, you can get a replica of the WWE Title for under 500, so why this one would cost 2k? It's impossible.
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MMA's weaknesses are:
No reason to feel strongly about most competitors unless you are a diehard fan, you go off of your first impressions.
Not many fights have a good buildup or motivation to happen.
Those are my two biggest knocks against a sport I enjoy. Sometimes you feel nothing with wrasslin, but there's usually a storyline involved. The hybrid fighters will be the ones that help keep MMA relevant. They may not be the best but when someone is very good, talks well, and sells fights (ie Sonnen/Silva 2, Bork Laser in his heyday, etc) then you have motivation and reason to watch it happen.
No reason to feel strongly about most competitors unless you are a diehard fan, you go off of your first impressions.
Not many fights have a good buildup or motivation to happen.
Those are my two biggest knocks against a sport I enjoy. Sometimes you feel nothing with wrasslin, but there's usually a storyline involved. The hybrid fighters will be the ones that help keep MMA relevant. They may not be the best but when someone is very good, talks well, and sells fights (ie Sonnen/Silva 2, Bork Laser in his heyday, etc) then you have motivation and reason to watch it happen.
BronsonLee
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Ooooh, that does change things...Wildcat is good. I think they made the CZW belts too (don't quote me on that though) which I always liked.
Still though, won't that take forever? I remember when ROH was selling stuff like this, it was the same deal...Dude takes forever to make them because of A: his backlog and B: they need weeks
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It'd be nice if the CZW Championship bled when held up high.
14 - 16 week turnaround.
Lambda Pie
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MMA needs more Doug Rhino. alot more Doug Rhino:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4UoOdcjMEs
dat promo. 'MERICA
BronsonLee
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...I'll pass that one along
You mean like put squibs on the back to trigger? Hold it up, OH GOD YOU GOT GANGREL'D
That sounds right. I remember reading about the process for it and was astounded as to how much work goes into it. Belt making is serious business.
...And then workers just throw it around and don't take care of it because they're silly
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More MMA dudes need to cu promos like chael sonnen.
Dude is a draw or a reason
Dude is a draw or a reason
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...I'll pass that one along
You mean like put squibs on the back to trigger? Hold it up, OH GOD YOU GOT GANGREL'D
You just hold it up, press your thumbs on the back in a spot, and it'll pour some blood down on your head. All CZW wins need that. They get there that way anyhow, but it'd be a nice touch.
I saw him wrestle (pro wrestling) on one of the New Year's Eve cards in Japan that was a mixed wrestling and MMA card. He impressed me that night.
Marvel
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Marked a little when I heard it, yeah.
BronsonLee
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Yeah, Chael and Josh are big wrestling guys, so it makes sense that they cut wrestling promos. It clearly helped Sonnen launch himself into stardom even with all the stuff outside the Octagon. I still have NO IDEA how he tapped Shogun, but still maintain Silva is a dirty cheat in both their fights
Barnett is some supreme otaku nerd too so...bonus points?
That seems silly but amusing at the same time. As long as it kept blood and other junk from me at ringside, sounds golden!
Special Note: Filming Tournament of Death and Cage of Death (and to a lesser extent, Tangled Web) felt like impending doom all around. I guess legit shook would apply here for me
Lambda Pie
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Special Note: Filming Tournament of Death and Cage of Death (and to a lesser extent, Tangled Web) felt like impending doom all around. I guess legit shook would apply here for me
You know, I had a thought when I was watching Tangled Web this year. Someone should tell CZW that they don't even need to attempt pinfalls in those matches till they have used all of the set pieces they created for the match. No one is going to believe it, so why even do it?
BronsonLee
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I've never liked that in big setpiece matches, either. It pretty clearly telegraphs the finish; but sometimes that's fine, if the spectacle is enough. That's -rarely- the case though.
I always felt this was a problem in TOD, but Web was always so nutty when I was there that nobody really went for pins. and COD was always fucking nuts (and they were straight up going big spot big spot), so no pins there either.
I must say though, filming all that stuff did give me a much steadier hand when it comes to stuff. Shit was crazy. There were some spots that if I was watching, I'dve probably flew around the building screaming (like that crazy microwave bit with Gacy/Slater at TOD one year; OH GOD)
I have only passing knowledge of UFC, but it seems like Chael Sonnen isn't the best fighter out there, but he's a draw regardless because he's a character. Guys that are full of personality are always going to be the most notable in sports, more so than guys that are just the best technically.
Wrestling has a lot of knowledge to offer in terms of getting people invested, other sports should pay attention to it.
Wrestling has a lot of knowledge to offer in terms of getting people invested, other sports should pay attention to it.
This is why "weapon on a pole" matches where whoever takes it down can use it never work. Everyone knows the match isn't ending til the weapon is down, so everything before that is totally flat for the crowd.
Back to PS4 for a bit...
I guess part of my beef is that I don't see how these indie games actually need next-gen hardware to run. Could they not run on Xbox 360 or PS3? Why make them exclusive to next gen.
I mean I get it, but don't get it as well.
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Even if I had a worse-off PC, not gaming-class type, I could still play a shitload of indie games. And a lot more indie games are shit than are great - just like any other classification of budget I suppose.
I'm just not being convinced I need a PS4 for anything besides Infamous. I need experiences I can't get with my old hardware. Indie games aren't it.
Yeah. And that's fine, really - I'm all for indie devs being able to pay the bills better. Get their shit out there. But it doesn't drive a new system sale for me.
None of the PS4 launch games do anything for me, so I'm definitely more excited for xbox one at launch. PS4 will catch up though, I plan of flipping this gen though. I only bought PS3 exclusive games and then bought almost all multiplat games on the 360. This time I'm only going to use my xbox for exclusives, I think.
I just want to play games and video game systems are a way to play them.
I could care less about 16-man split-screen multiplayer system-links, 8 GB memory banks or CPU processing power. Give me games and if they're fun I'll play the ever living fuck out of them. The only thing that gets me interested as far as hardware goes is the controller and Remote Play. Remote Play is the best thing ever.
As far as indie vs. retail goes I could care less who makes the game really. FTL and Prison Architect blow at least half of my retail games library (OF ALL TIME) out of the water as far as fun goes. And one of them is a fucking Alpha to boot.
I could care less about 16-man split-screen multiplayer system-links, 8 GB memory banks or CPU processing power. Give me games and if they're fun I'll play the ever living fuck out of them. The only thing that gets me interested as far as hardware goes is the controller and Remote Play. Remote Play is the best thing ever.
As far as indie vs. retail goes I could care less who makes the game really. FTL and Prison Architect blow at least half of my retail games library (OF ALL TIME) out of the water as far as fun goes. And one of them is a fucking Alpha to boot.
I'll probbaly do the same.
Lambda Pie
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PS4 has more console shooters announced.
I'm not even buying a console shooter at launch, console shooters are bad. I want Crimson Dragon(maybe, does this count as a shooter?), Dead Rising, Forza, and I think Ryse has been looking better since that first bad reveal. Oh and Zoo Tycoon! Maybe...
The only ps4 title at launch I'm only really interested in is probably Knack.
The only ps4 title at launch I'm only really interested in is probably Knack.
should've been his pose and not poorly wrought letters and a viperOrton Plates for Belt
Only next gen games I'm really interested in are Watch Dogs and AC 4, but when people say, 'I don't see a reason to upgrade,' and they don't have a decent PC, I begin to wonder if they played any recent games on consoles. Like, yeah, GTA V of what they've shown on PS3 looks real good, but Far Cry runs like crap on consoles, AC 3 runs like crap on consoles, Saint's Row runs like crap on consoles.
All that aside too, I want new interface because the 360 and PS3's interface have become SO bloated. I really want something to play all the upcoming next gen games on, and PS4 offers it at a better price. So I'm just picking the one of the two that is a better investment for multiplat games.
All that aside too, I want new interface because the 360 and PS3's interface have become SO bloated. I really want something to play all the upcoming next gen games on, and PS4 offers it at a better price. So I'm just picking the one of the two that is a better investment for multiplat games.
It's not so much that I don't want console shooters on the console I play on. It's that I want other options as well.
And that is where the 360 lacks most. And of course, this is all about exclusives as multiplatforms on both systems negate eachother.
Alan Wake and Forza aren't enough to get me to buy a single system. (definitely doesn't help that only one of those isn't actually playable at all without owning an Xbox).
Getting a PS4 at launch isn't about the games for me, it's about upgrading my media hub. My PS3 is a media hub first, game system second If I get good games to play on it, that's kind of a bonus. That said, there are at least a couple of PS4 launch titles I'll get....probably Watch Dogs and Black Flag....not sure about BF though.
If I get good games to play on it, that's kind of a bonus. That said, there are at least a couple of PS4 launch titles I'll get....probably Watch Dogs and Black Flag....not sure about BF though.Getting a PS4 at launch isn't about the games for me, it's about upgrading my media hub. My PS3 is a media hub first, game system second
Yep. As I said, PS3 and 360 interface are unusable.
And I think Watch Dogs and AC can hold me off until Witcher, Destiny, Infamous, Dragon Age, etc. If not, I'll just keep playing even more GTA V. I've been spending less time following game news because I'm sick of being spoiled on stuff by the publishers themselves, and now I find it a lot easier to just play games one at a time instead of having to have watercooler moments.
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We'll either see console parity (which we eventually got close to with ps3/360, but the 360 continues to be optimized better) or a huge split over multiplayer vs what the ps4 is doing. I want monster budget multiplayer with their infrastructure. It looks amazing.
Remote Play has no use to me, and I didn't realize until the other day when I tried to imagine a scenario where I'd use it. "In bed!" Well I go to bed when I'm sleepy. If I'm not sleepy I stay up and play. "When your SO is wanting to watch TV or do something else!" I don't know what kind of relationships they have with their SO but nothing says "I don't want to be here with you" than burying your face in a Vita.
FTL and Prison Architect are amazing, but they really are the exception rather than the rule. Everyone wants to be the next Minecraft success story, but a lot of them just aren't gonna make it.
What? PS4 has more shooters. And the Xbox brand hasn't been about shooters since like, 06 or 07.
K...Knack? Really? Eurrrrghhhhhh
I've been sitting on a 360 copy of Remember Me and I can't bear to play it on a console knowing it'll look like dogshit compared to the PC.
Getting a PS4 at launch isn't about the games for me, it's about upgrading my media hub. My PS3 is a media hub first, game system second
You could just buy a Chromecast if that's all it is.
FallingEdge
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I love my PC and PC gaming. I have a xbone and ps4 preordered but I have no idea if I will actually use it. Every game that I want to play on the console is also coming out for PC. So far anyway.