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[C.Dark.DN]

I don't see why anyone should buy either console until Titanfall comes out, and then obviously you should buy a One. I'm sure PS4 will eventually have a game that's worth buying a console for too. They just haven't announced one yet.

My 7-8 year old consoles are getting old. Time for an upgrade.

Tiranfall? Yeah, I'll just get that on PC. Not supporting MS's XB1.

 

[mouserat]

if you've 'elevated' your viewing to real fighting then don't transfer your expectations to pro-wrestling. pro-wrestling is drama, it's a performance, not a fight. the entire point of it is to suspend disbelief, the only thing that determines who can be a 'champion' in pro-wrestling is the ability of the person to perform, and whether the person is 'good for business' in terms of marketability.

RAW ratings have increased pretty dramatically since the emphasis shifted from Cena as the standalone face to Daniel Bryan. people like him, and he can put on a far better match than anyone bigger than him (not counting CM Punk). there are big guys who fit the juicehead stereotype on the roster who are great wrestlers, but no-one can hold a torch to Daniel Bryan at the moment. he's the right guy at the right time, whether he would win an MMA fight is as important to his popularity as whether he has a bigger dick than Randy Orton, or whether he's as good at Trivial Pursuit as HHH.

Vince McMahon is not an idiot. he made a horrible mistake in his initial estimation of CM Punk and he's not ashamed to admit it now, he's not ashamed to use it as an angle, just watch Punks DVD. hell, the entire storyline in the WWE at the moment is a SATIRE of the fact Vince McMahon used to think only big guys could get over and carry the company. do you think he would allow himself to be mocked like that? no, he's behind this story, he's poking fun at himself, and how internet fans see him. its his decision to push Daniel Bryan and it's done nothing so far but increase business and refresh what was becoming a particularly stale product, so one guy thinking D-Bry isn't believable because MMA exists is of no concern to anyone really.

 

[Kaladin]

Bryan could hold his own in an MMA fight I think, he's had that kind of training to make himself a better, more rounded pro wrestler.

 

[mouserat]

Bryan could hold his own in an MMA fight I think, he's had that kind of training to make himself a better, more rounded pro wrestler.

yeah agreed. two guys with equal MMA training would be affected by size, but I'm pretty confident Bryan could take Orton in a real fight. just look at Jericho and Goldberg. I know it wasn't like Jericho totally kicked his ass, but he had absolutely no right to choke him out and come out on top of that exchange.

 

[Aiii]

if you've 'elevated' your viewing to real fighting then don't transfer your expectations to pro-wrestling. pro-wrestling is drama, it's a performance, not a fight. the entire point of it is to suspend disbelief, the only thing that determines who can be a 'champion' in pro-wrestling is the ability of the person to perform, and whether the person is 'good for business' in terms of marketability.

RAW ratings have increased pretty dramatically since the emphasis shifted from Cena as the standalone face to Daniel Bryan. people like him, and he can put on a far better match than anyone bigger than him (not counting CM Punk). there are big guys who fit the juicehead stereotype on the roster who are great wrestlers, but no-one can hold a torch to Daniel Bryan at the moment. he's the right guy at the right time, whether he would win an MMA fight is as important to his popularity as whether he has a bigger dick than Randy Orton, or whether he's as good at Trivial Pursuit as HHH.

Vince McMahon is not an idiot. he made a horrible mistake in his initial estimation of CM Punk and he's not ashamed to admit it now, he's not ashamed to use it as an angle, just watch Punks DVD. hell, the entire storyline in the WWE at the moment is a SATIRE of the fact Vince McMahon used to think only big guys could get over and carry the company. do you think he would allow himself to be mocked like that? no, he's behind this story, he's poking fun at himself, and how internet fans see him. its his decision to push Daniel Bryan and it's done nothing so far but increase business and refresh what was becoming a particularly stale product, so one guy thinking D-Bry isn't believable because MMA exists is of no concern to anyone really.

Needs this:

 

[Judderman]

Orton Plates for Belt

I love the customized plates for this belt. Adds character to it.

Every time a new person gets Ki-Symbols plates for the belt, when they lose it they have to give one of them up to the person that beat them. Once 1 person accumulates some arbitrary number of them, they get to fight in a Dragon Star match. get a Money In The Bank contract.

...

I miss WMAC Masters, guys.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

PRIDE was the best. MMA is enjoyable but the signal to noise ratio is rough. If you want to be entertained and you sat down for a Machida match you've made a grave error. Some fights are impossibly boring, some are absolutely fantastic. It has the huge "anything can happen" card which is forced in wrasslin but not in MMA. It appeals to me. I enjoy both and will continue to enjoy both. I find I like my wrasslin most when I feel that anything can happen.

Also lel @ anyone thinking D. Brine could win a real life fight. Dude's beta to the max. Betamax.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Mascarita Dorada is with El Matadors? This is the best news

 

[Lambda Pie]

The UFC has no theatricality to it. PRIDE dying has been lessened my enjoyment of MMA every year that passes because there is no spectacle in the UFC. UFC has no idea how to build their stars either. The fights often don't feel like they mean anything. There's a reason Nick Diaz and Chael Sonnen fights do so well, and it's because they get people emotionally invested in the way pro wrestling is so good at.

At the end of the day, I think WWE and UFC could and should learn a lot more from each other than they already have.

folks who can build a fight in the UFC are few and far between. can't wait for Barnett to come and start talking shit to Mir and vice versa.

 

[Kaladin]

$2,000

http://shoptna.com/tna-x-division-championship-collectors-belt.aspx

Wow.

 

[jmdajr]

MMA does nothing for me. These gifs are all mweh.

If I wanted to watch brawls I'd go to one of the bars full of English military blokes around here instead of watching SummerSlam.

I've watched a few events in my day but bottom line, I don't care about the competitors. I have nothing invested in it.

It's almost like when people complain about characters in movies being one dimensional or flat, or whatever. I need more.

Yeah I might not care legitimately about the wins and losses in Pro Wresyling, but I do have some sort of empathy for the performers. Hell part of the reason it became a work is because regular amateur wrestling was simply boring to the regular population.

Kudos to UFC for making a name for itself, but yeah it's not for me. I won't be using my time for it.

 

[BronsonLee]

$2,000

http://shoptna.com/tna-x-division-championship-collectors-belt.aspx

Wow.

Wait...It's just a freaking replica of the new one and not the original old one with the Red X?

Why the hell would I pay that? Hell, the CHIKARA belts look like a deal at that rate!

 

[Lambda Pie]

but I'm pretty confident Bryan could take Orton in a real fight

that's some grade-A marking there. assuming Orton knows how to throw a jab, a straight and a low kick and keep a low stance, Bryan wouldn't even come close to him. the reach advantage is obscene, pornographic even.

Goldberg, as much as i like him, is just a Power Plant product. he botched submissions holds constantly and had the worst armbar in pro-wrasslin. and if i remember correctly, he didn't expect Jericho to react so he essentially got to close and got caught.

 

[Kaladin]

Wait...It's just a freaking replica of the new one and not the original old one with the Red X?

Why the hell would I pay that? Hell, the CHIKARA belts look like a deal at that rate!

Apparently it's a real copy from Wildcat Championship belts, not a replica.

 

[ecurbj]

$2,000

http://shoptna.com/tna-x-division-championship-collectors-belt.aspx

Wow.

This belt is ugly. Ew.

 

[Aiii]

Wait...It's just a freaking replica of the new one and not the original old one with the Red X?

Why the hell would I pay that? Hell, the CHIKARA belts look like a deal at that rate!

Has to be a typing error, you can get a replica of the WWE Title for under 500, so why this one would cost 2k? It's impossible.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

MMA's weaknesses are:

No reason to feel strongly about most competitors unless you are a diehard fan, you go off of your first impressions.

Not many fights have a good buildup or motivation to happen.

Those are my two biggest knocks against a sport I enjoy. Sometimes you feel nothing with wrasslin, but there's usually a storyline involved. The hybrid fighters will be the ones that help keep MMA relevant. They may not be the best but when someone is very good, talks well, and sells fights (ie Sonnen/Silva 2, Bork Laser in his heyday, etc) then you have motivation and reason to watch it happen.

 

[BronsonLee]

Apparently it's a real copy from Wildcat Championship belts, not a replica.

Ooooh, that does change things...Wildcat is good. I think they made the CZW belts too (don't quote me on that though) which I always liked.

Still though, won't that take forever? I remember when ROH was selling stuff like this, it was the same deal...Dude takes forever to make them because of A: his backlog and B: they need weeks

 

[Deleted member 47027]

It'd be nice if the CZW Championship bled when held up high.

 

[Kaladin]

Ooooh, that does change things...Wildcat is good. I think they made the CZW belts too (don't quote me on that though) which I always liked.

Still though, won't that take forever? I remember when ROH was selling stuff like this, it was the same deal...Dude takes forever to make them because of A: his backlog and B: they need weeks

14 - 16 week turnaround.

 

[Lambda Pie]

MMA's weaknesses are:

No reason to feel strongly about most competitors unless you are a diehard fan, you go off of your first impressions.

Not many fights have a good buildup or motivation to happen.

Those are my two biggest knocks against a sport I enjoy. Sometimes you feel nothing with wrasslin, but there's usually a storyline involved. The hybrid fighters will be the ones that help keep MMA relevant. They may not be the best but when someone is very good, talks well, and sells fights (ie Sonnen/Silva 2, Bork Laser in his heyday, etc) then you have motivation and reason to watch it happen.

MMA needs more Doug Rhino. alot more Doug Rhino:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4UoOdcjMEs

dat promo. 'MERICA

 

[BronsonLee]

It'd be nice if the CZW Championship bled when held up high.

...I'll pass that one along

You mean like put squibs on the back to trigger? Hold it up, OH GOD YOU GOT GANGREL'D

14 - 16 week turnaround.

That sounds right. I remember reading about the process for it and was astounded as to how much work goes into it. Belt making is serious business.

...And then workers just throw it around and don't take care of it because they're silly

 

[jmdajr]

I only know about Josh Barnett because of the Austin interview, but the cat, as Stone Cold would say, definitely understands pro wrestling.

 

[slightconfuse]

More MMA dudes need to cu promos like chael sonnen.

Dude is a draw or a reason

 

[Deleted member 47027]

...I'll pass that one along

You mean like put squibs on the back to trigger? Hold it up, OH GOD YOU GOT GANGREL'D

You just hold it up, press your thumbs on the back in a spot, and it'll pour some blood down on your head. All CZW wins need that. They get there that way anyhow, but it'd be a nice touch.

 

[Kaladin]

I only know about Josh Barnett because of the Austin interview, but the cat, as Stone Cold would say, definitely understands pro wrestling.

I saw him wrestle (pro wrestling) on one of the New Year's Eve cards in Japan that was a mixed wrestling and MMA card. He impressed me that night.

 

[Marvel]

Mascarita Dorada is with El Matadors? This is the best news

Marked a little when I heard it, yeah.

 

[BronsonLee]

More MMA dudes need to cu promos like chael sonnen.

Dude is a draw or a reason

I saw him wrestle (pro wrestling) on one of the New Year's Eve cards in Japan that was a mixed wrestling and MMA card. He impressed me that night.

Yeah, Chael and Josh are big wrestling guys, so it makes sense that they cut wrestling promos. It clearly helped Sonnen launch himself into stardom even with all the stuff outside the Octagon. I still have NO IDEA how he tapped Shogun, but still maintain Silva is a dirty cheat in both their fights

Barnett is some supreme otaku nerd too so...bonus points?

You just hold it up, press your thumbs on the back in a spot, and it'll pour some blood down on your head. All CZW wins need that. They get there that way anyhow, but it'd be a nice touch.

That seems silly but amusing at the same time. As long as it kept blood and other junk from me at ringside, sounds golden!

Special Note: Filming Tournament of Death and Cage of Death (and to a lesser extent, Tangled Web) felt like impending doom all around. I guess legit shook would apply here for me

 

[Lambda Pie]

I only know about Josh Barnett because of the Austin interview, but the cat, as Stone Cold would say, definitely understands pro wrestling.

Barnett got awesome promos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE9Ie-RjLa0

 

[Kaladin]

Special Note: Filming Tournament of Death and Cage of Death (and to a lesser extent, Tangled Web) felt like impending doom all around. I guess legit shook would apply here for me

You know, I had a thought when I was watching Tangled Web this year. Someone should tell CZW that they don't even need to attempt pinfalls in those matches till they have used all of the set pieces they created for the match. No one is going to believe it, so why even do it?

 

[BronsonLee]

You know, I had a thought when I was watching Tangled Web this year. Someone should tell CZW that they don't even need to attempt pinfalls in those matches till they have used all of the set pieces they created for the match. No one is going for it, so why even do it?

I've never liked that in big setpiece matches, either. It pretty clearly telegraphs the finish; but sometimes that's fine, if the spectacle is enough. That's -rarely- the case though.

I always felt this was a problem in TOD, but Web was always so nutty when I was there that nobody really went for pins. and COD was always fucking nuts (and they were straight up going big spot big spot), so no pins there either.

I must say though, filming all that stuff did give me a much steadier hand when it comes to stuff. Shit was crazy. There were some spots that if I was watching, I'dve probably flew around the building screaming (like that crazy microwave bit with Gacy/Slater at TOD one year; OH GOD)

 

[Ithil]

I have only passing knowledge of UFC, but it seems like Chael Sonnen isn't the best fighter out there, but he's a draw regardless because he's a character. Guys that are full of personality are always going to be the most notable in sports, more so than guys that are just the best technically.

Wrestling has a lot of knowledge to offer in terms of getting people invested, other sports should pay attention to it.

I've never liked that in big setpiece matches, either. It pretty clearly telegraphs the finish; but sometimes that's fine, if the spectacle is enough. That's -rarely- the case though.

I always felt this was a problem in TOD, but Web was always so nutty when I was there that nobody really went for pins. and COD was always fucking nuts (and they were straight up going big spot big spot), so no pins there either.

I must say though, filming all that stuff did give me a much steadier hand when it comes to stuff. Shit was crazy. There were some spots that if I was watching, I'dve probably flew around the building screaming (like that crazy microwave bit with Gacy/Slater at TOD one year; OH GOD)

This is why "weapon on a pole" matches where whoever takes it down can use it never work. Everyone knows the match isn't ending til the weapon is down, so everything before that is totally flat for the crowd.

 

[jmdajr]

Yo, SMH at the indie game bashing earlier. You guys are insane. Aside from them, there's almost zero middle tier budget games being made anymore. The industry needs that market to keep creativity and experimentation alive. When I see people complaining about Sony showing indie games, I have to wonder WTF is going on. Probably the same people who will complain about AAA Game X. It's like, what do you even want? Sony just released one of the best AAA titles ever in The Last of Us, so they turn around and give support to the little guys, many of which could one day grow into a new Naughty Dog, and people complain? These are the titles that will bridge the gap between launch to the blockbuster 1st party stuff next year.

Wrestling fans, GOD.

Back to PS4 for a bit...

I guess part of my beef is that I don't see how these indie games actually need next-gen hardware to run. Could they not run on Xbox 360 or PS3? Why make them exclusive to next gen.

I mean I get it, but don't get it as well.

 

[Sokantish]

I thought quite a few of the indie games they were talking about were coming to PS3, PS4, and the Vita. Maybe not, though.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Back to PS4 for a bit...

I guess part of my beef is that I don't see how these indie games actually need next-gen hardware to run. Could they not run on Xbox 360 or PS3? Why make them exclusive to next gen.

I mean I get it, but don't get it as well.

Even if I had a worse-off PC, not gaming-class type, I could still play a shitload of indie games. And a lot more indie games are shit than are great - just like any other classification of budget I suppose.

I'm just not being convinced I need a PS4 for anything besides Infamous. I need experiences I can't get with my old hardware. Indie games aren't it.

I thought quite a few of the indie games they were talking about were coming to PS3, PS4, and the Vita. Maybe not, though.

Yeah. And that's fine, really - I'm all for indie devs being able to pay the bills better. Get their shit out there. But it doesn't drive a new system sale for me.

 

[Sokantish]

None of the PS4 launch games do anything for me, so I'm definitely more excited for xbox one at launch. PS4 will catch up though, I plan of flipping this gen though. I only bought PS3 exclusive games and then bought almost all multiplat games on the 360. This time I'm only going to use my xbox for exclusives, I think.

 

[Aiii]

I just want to play games and video game systems are a way to play them.

I could care less about 16-man split-screen multiplayer system-links, 8 GB memory banks or CPU processing power. Give me games and if they're fun I'll play the ever living fuck out of them. The only thing that gets me interested as far as hardware goes is the controller and Remote Play. Remote Play is the best thing ever.

As far as indie vs. retail goes I could care less who makes the game really. FTL and Prison Architect blow at least half of my retail games library (OF ALL TIME) out of the water as far as fun goes. And one of them is a fucking Alpha to boot.

 

[jmdajr]

None of the PS4 launch games do anything for me, so I'm definitely more excited for xbox one at launch. PS4 will catch up though, I plan of flipping this gen though. I only bought PS3 exclusive games and then bought almost all multiplat games on the 360. This time I'm only going to use my xbox for exclusives, I think.

I'll probbaly do the same.

 

[Aiii]

I'd be alot more interested in the Xbox One if I was into console shooters I'm sure, but I'm not.

 

[Lambda Pie]

I'd be alot more interested in the Xbox One if I was into console shooters I'm sure, but I'm not.

PS4 has more console shooters announced.

 

[Sokantish]

I'm not even buying a console shooter at launch, console shooters are bad. I want Crimson Dragon(maybe, does this count as a shooter?), Dead Rising, Forza, and I think Ryse has been looking better since that first bad reveal. Oh and Zoo Tycoon! Maybe...

The only ps4 title at launch I'm only really interested in is probably Knack.

 

[Plywood]

Orton Plates for Belt

should've been his pose and not poorly wrought letters and a viper

 

[Data West]

Only next gen games I'm really interested in are Watch Dogs and AC 4, but when people say, 'I don't see a reason to upgrade,' and they don't have a decent PC, I begin to wonder if they played any recent games on consoles. Like, yeah, GTA V of what they've shown on PS3 looks real good, but Far Cry runs like crap on consoles, AC 3 runs like crap on consoles, Saint's Row runs like crap on consoles.

All that aside too, I want new interface because the 360 and PS3's interface have become SO bloated. I really want something to play all the upcoming next gen games on, and PS4 offers it at a better price. So I'm just picking the one of the two that is a better investment for multiplat games.

 

[Aiii]

PS4 has more console shooters announced.

It's not so much that I don't want console shooters on the console I play on. It's that I want other options as well.

And that is where the 360 lacks most. And of course, this is all about exclusives as multiplatforms on both systems negate eachother.

Alan Wake and Forza aren't enough to get me to buy a single system. (definitely doesn't help that only one of those isn't actually playable at all without owning an Xbox).

 

[Kaladin]

Getting a PS4 at launch isn't about the games for me, it's about upgrading my media hub. My PS3 is a media hub first, game system second If I get good games to play on it, that's kind of a bonus. That said, there are at least a couple of PS4 launch titles I'll get....probably Watch Dogs and Black Flag....not sure about BF though.

 

[Data West]

Getting a PS4 at launch isn't about the games for me, it's about upgrading my media hub. My PS3 is a media hub first, game system second If I get good games to play on it, that's kind of a bonus. That said, there are at least a couple of PS4 launch titles I'll get....probably Watch Dogs and Black Flag....not sure about BF though.

Yep. As I said, PS3 and 360 interface are unusable.

And I think Watch Dogs and AC can hold me off until Witcher, Destiny, Infamous, Dragon Age, etc. If not, I'll just keep playing even more GTA V. I've been spending less time following game news because I'm sick of being spoiled on stuff by the publishers themselves, and now I find it a lot easier to just play games one at a time instead of having to have watercooler moments.

 

[Kaladin]

I don't know what I'm going to do with GTA V when the PS4 comes out. I don't have room for a PS3 and 4 hooked up at once.

 

[Sokantish]

I just use a PC as my media hub, and then use my phone as a remote for it. Way better than a dumb console!

 

[Deleted member 47027]

None of the PS4 launch games do anything for me, so I'm definitely more excited for xbox one at launch. PS4 will catch up though, I plan of flipping this gen though. I only bought PS3 exclusive games and then bought almost all multiplat games on the 360. This time I'm only going to use my xbox for exclusives, I think.

We'll either see console parity (which we eventually got close to with ps3/360, but the 360 continues to be optimized better) or a huge split over multiplayer vs what the ps4 is doing. I want monster budget multiplayer with their infrastructure. It looks amazing.

I just want to play games and video game systems are a way to play them.

I could care less about 16-man split-screen multiplayer system-links, 8 GB memory banks or CPU processing power. Give me games and if they're fun I'll play the ever living fuck out of them. The only thing that gets me interested as far as hardware goes is the controller and Remote Play. Remote Play is the best thing ever.

As far as indie vs. retail goes I could care less who makes the game really. FTL and Prison Architect blow at least half of my retail games library (OF ALL TIME) out of the water as far as fun goes. And one of them is a fucking Alpha to boot.

Remote Play has no use to me, and I didn't realize until the other day when I tried to imagine a scenario where I'd use it. "In bed!" Well I go to bed when I'm sleepy. If I'm not sleepy I stay up and play. "When your SO is wanting to watch TV or do something else!" I don't know what kind of relationships they have with their SO but nothing says "I don't want to be here with you" than burying your face in a Vita.

FTL and Prison Architect are amazing, but they really are the exception rather than the rule. Everyone wants to be the next Minecraft success story, but a lot of them just aren't gonna make it.

I'd be alot more interested in the Xbox One if I was into console shooters I'm sure, but I'm not.

What? PS4 has more shooters. And the Xbox brand hasn't been about shooters since like, 06 or 07.

I'm not even buying a console shooter at launch, console shooters are bad. I want Crimson Dragon(maybe, does this count as a shooter?), Dead Rising, Forza, and I think Ryse has been looking better since that first bad reveal. Oh and Zoo Tycoon! Maybe...

The only ps4 title at launch I'm only really interested in is probably Knack.

K...Knack? Really? Eurrrrghhhhhh

Only next gen games I'm really interested in are Watch Dogs and AC 4, but when people say, 'I don't see a reason to upgrade,' and they don't have a decent PC, I begin to wonder if they played any recent games on consoles. Like, yeah, GTA V of what they've shown on PS3 looks real good, but Far Cry runs like crap on consoles, AC 3 runs like crap on consoles, Saint's Row runs like crap on consoles.

All that aside too, I want new interface because the 360 and PS3's interface have become SO bloated. I really want something to play all the upcoming next gen games on, and PS4 offers it at a better price. So I'm just picking the one of the two that is a better investment for multiplat games.

I've been sitting on a 360 copy of Remember Me and I can't bear to play it on a console knowing it'll look like dogshit compared to the PC.

Getting a PS4 at launch isn't about the games for me, it's about upgrading my media hub. My PS3 is a media hub first, game system second If I get good games to play on it, that's kind of a bonus. That said, there are at least a couple of PS4 launch titles I'll get....probably Watch Dogs and Black Flag....not sure about BF though.

You could just buy a Chromecast if that's all it is.

 

[FallingEdge]

I love my PC and PC gaming. I have a xbone and ps4 preordered but I have no idea if I will actually use it. Every game that I want to play on the console is also coming out for PC. So far anyway.