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Liquidsnake said:
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Id like to take this opportunity, to talk about myself!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9enMPQtsdA

So fkn GOAT

I defy anyone to find a better promo.
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Flair wasn't even the best promo (or wrestler) in the Horsemen.
 
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Liquidsnake said:
When you say things like this, you lose credit with anyone who knows anything about anything.



Wow.
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It's true. Sorry friend, but Blanchard was regal as hell, the better performer, and close enough to TMF status. Flair is cool, but dude didn't have babydoll...

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Now I have WWE network again, think I'll go through all the PPVs when Evolution were active. Dunno why but I've been nostalgic for that era recently.
 
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sora87 said:
Now I have WWE network again, think I'll go through all the PPVs when Evolution were active. Dunno why but I've been nostalgic for that era recently.
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Fox318 said:
Watch the smackdown shows instead
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Don't listen to him. That period had a lot of fun tags and 6 man tags, and once in a while fun 8 man tags. People who still rage on Evolution stuff must not have grown up with the Horsemen, who also rarely ever lost clean, always cheated to win, and rarely got their comeuppance. For years.

I don't think any Raws from that period are on the Network, though, so most of the 6 mans aren't up.
 
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brisk tacos said:
Don't listen to him. That period had a lot of fun tags and 6 man tags, and once in a while fun 8 man tags. People who still rage on Evolution stuff must not have grown up with the Horsemen, who also rarely ever lost clean, always cheated to win, and rarely got their comeuppance. For years.

I don't think any Raws from that period are on the Network, though, so most of the 6 mans aren't up.
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The Horsemen weren't on 2 hour TV shows and monthly PPVs doing the same shit over and over. HHH also isn't Ric Flair, try as he might.
 
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brisk tacos said:
HHH is better than Ric Flair ever was in the ring. Promos, I'll give you, though.
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I suffered through two years of HHH's bullshit Horsemen wannabe sucking the life out of RAW. Smackdown absolutely was far superior through that period. Better angles, better matches, better wrestlers.
 
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Looong quote ahead

: I've heard two schools of thought on the divas revolution. One, that it's a dud and the same formula with different faces, and second, that it's a proverbial "slow burn" and it will get there in due time. Your thoughts? [/b]

A: Before I get into my thoughts on what they are doing let me first state that I am a big fan and supporter of women's wrestling and have a great deal of respect for many of the women involved in the "Divas revolution". For the most part I think the Divas Revolution is being screwed and unless they change the way it is being presented it will fail, or at least not succeed to the level it could or more importantly should. To fully understand why you have to look at how the women are presented in NXT and how that enabled them to get over to the level that they did, and then look at how they are being presented in WWE and consider if that will also allow them to get over to that same level.

In NXT they are women wrestlers, they are competing for the NXT Women's Championship; a title belt that looks credible (actually better than the Men's Title in my opinion) and therefore can be respected. We were never told that the women were going to be taken seriously or that they were going to have good matches and be respected. They were just presented on the show in a respectable light, allowed to focus on competing to be a champion, and given enough time to do a good job if they were able. The women worked hard, had good matches, were given good angles, and fans started to care, and they got over. It was in a sense Organic.

In WWE the women are "Divas" a term when used in any other industry is a derogatory term referring to stuck up bitchy women. They compete (occasionally) for the Diva's Title, which is a purple belt with a butterfly on it. At best this looks like a Barbie toy belt and at worst it's derogatory and offensive because of the female sexual euphemism for butterfly. The women in WWE need a new title belt to compete for and in all honesty it needs to be renamed the WWE Women's World Title.

Furthermore coming out and telling us there is a Diva's Revolution and the women are going to be good and important now, was a big mistake. Don't tell us it's going to be good, just let it be good and we will come to that conclusion all on our own, like we did with NXT. Also in NXT each woman was given her turn to be focused on and chase the title. This allowed us to get behind them and follow their journey and struggle, while keeping the focus on becoming Champion. In WWE we are getting 3 groups of 3, which makes it near impossible to focus on the women individually and form an attachment to any of them and it has completely removed the focus on the title and being a champion.

In NXT the women got over one at a time. Paige won the first NXT Women's Title Tournament in a really good match with Emma, which started the ball rolling. When Paige got called up, she was stripped of the title and another tournament was held. Charlotte won this tournament in an awesome match with Nattie, to set her up and get her over. Sasha was then pushed and focused on and she got over, with Becky in a secondary role. Baylee was used to get Charlotte and Sasha over while building her own underdog status. Becky then got the focus and the push and she got over huge even in losing her title challenge (an amazing accomplishment). The long slow build was then finally paid off with Baylee in Brooklyn and we all saw what a great reaction she got winning the title.

Since the start of the Diva's revolution on RAW the title has not been the focus at all. PCB are faces, Team BAD are heels, and Team Bella float back and forth. All are getting wins and losses, no one is moving forwards or backwards and no individual is getting focus on directly. We are constantly being told it's a new era, but to be honest we are just getting slightly longer, slightly better matches, with a few new faces.

When the crowd on RAW in Brooklyn turned on the women's match it wasn't the fault of the crowd nor the fault of the women, it was the way it was presented. In the promo to set up the match Nikki Bella actually said that wins and losses didn't matter and that these muti-diva matches are pointless. She said the only thing that mattered was the Diva's Title and how she will soon be the longest reigning Diva's Champ of all time. How can anyone be surprised or angry that the crowd gave up on the match that followed when they were flat out told before it started that it didn't matter? Furthermore how can we care about Nikki's long title reign when I doubt anyone even remember the last time she defended it?

I do remember both Sasha and Charlotte making Nikki tap out to win tag matches, a fact that wasn't focus on, nor did it earn them a title match. To get this thing over you have to completely overhaul the way in which it is presented, like they did in NXT. You must focus on each woman in turn with a constant focus on the Championship. Unfortunately because they also have to focus on and promote Total Divas, they have to focus on a large group of women, in particularly the Bellas, so this may be impossible. The Bellas have improved a ton over the last couple years and they are more than capable of having good matches, but in my opinion as long as they are being focused on, this will never feel new.
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Ithil said:
I suffered through two years of HHH's bullshit Horsemen wannabe sucking the life out of RAW. Smackdown absolutely was far superior through that period. Better angles, better matches, better wrestlers.
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Quality of Smackdown has nothing to do with HHH's talent compared with Ric Flair's.
 
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Ithil said:
When HHH is doing a Ric Flair impression that dominates RAW, it does.
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Flair wishes he could have been the athlete and specimen that HHH was. HHH did everything in the ring that Flair did, but better. Plus a ton more, able to work styles and matches Flair could never have been in.

Flair is one of the greats at talking, no doubt. As a wrestler, he was very limited. He has his one match and he did it very well. HHH did the Flair Formula matches even better, plus wasn't limited to only that.
 
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