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[reptilescorpio]

The danger over here is that Coles and Woolies realise that they own the retail space over here, and if they can sell home brand products at a loss they can slowly gain market share until the other producers go out of business or become sufficiently weak to be bought out.

The biggest problem in that regard is the incredibly high cost to get a new product on the shelf these days. Not only do the supermarkets make it insanely expensive but other suppliers do deals to make it near impossible for other suppliers to get into the marketplace. One of the joys to come with globalisation.

 

[Planet_JASE]

Alas no. The town I live in has a Woolies and a Coles (that is currently under some major renovations to bring it up to spec) and nothing else.

Unfortunately I think that's becoming the norm...

The biggest problem in that regard is the incredibly high cost to get a new product on the shelf these days. Not only do the supermarkets make it insanely expensive but other suppliers do deals to make it near impossible for other suppliers to get into the marketplace. One of the joys to come with globalisation.

Don't forget that the brands that give the better deals get the better shlft space. The times that I've not been able to see a product I needed, only to spy it off yonder, on the top shelf.

 

[reptilescorpio]

Don't forget that the brands that give the better deals get the better shlft space. The times that I've not been able to see a product I needed, only to spy it off yonder, on the top shelf.

The last subject I did at uni we did a very in depth study into the supply chain for large scale retailers such as Safeway and Costco. Very interesting but at the same time very frustrating. One supermarket was being forced by the mafia to use a certain green grocer supplier for many, many years at a price where the supermarket had no chance of making a profit.

 

[FallbackPants]

While they're not pricing their competitors out of the market yet, they are already dictating the price to the producers.
With milk at such a low price (which may be good for consumers) it is becoming simply uneconomical for farmers to produce it. It's starting costing more to produce the milk than they can sell it for.

 

[reptilescorpio]

As someone who grew up on a farm this is not a new thing. It has been happening for 20 years now. Slowly but surely more and more farmers have gone out of business and only the massive setups have grown. One of the main reasons I moved off the farm was I could not see a future working the land unless you were part of something huge.

 

[elfinke]

Don't forget that the brands that give the better deals get the better shlft space. The times that I've not been able to see a product I needed, only to spy it off yonder, on the top shelf.

Just to continue that line of thought - this is the reason there are no Colgate products at home either.

Ergo, the reason there are so many Colgate products is not (just) because they can't make an all-in-one toothpaste/brush; it's more that if they aren't filling that shelf space, then someone else will.

The just-concluded carbon tax announcement was er, underwhelming lets say. Mind you, I was walking in and out of the kitchen during the presser, so might have missed something.

 

[reptilescorpio]

The just-concluded carbon tax announcement was er, underwhelming lets say. Mind you, I was walking in and out of the kitchen during the presser, so might have missed something.

Everyone has seemed much more positive about it than I expected. So far all the details look to put me in a better financial position so that is great.

 

[Kerrby]

Can someone sum up the Carbon Tax please? Only 10% of people will not get their money back?

 

[elfinke]

Everyone has seemed much more positive about it than I expected. So far all the details look to put me in a better financial position so that is great.

Oh that's good then. Bob Brown is grinning like the Cheshire Cat at the moment, even more than normal.

I can't wait for Tony et al to bring the mood down! Sigh...

Oh wow, $10b in assistance for industry, including a $900mil fund. Here's a good summary (blog):

Labor backbenchers are being briefed on the details of the plan at the last minute, presumably to avoid leaks. But aspects of the scheme have been trickling out for days; here's what we already know the package includes:

carbon price to be set at $23 a tonne for the first phase
about 500 companies will be required to pay
a promise that nearly six million households will be fully compensated to offset increased costs
tax-free threshold to be tripled to $18,000
nearly 2 million pensioners to be over-compensated by $210
compensation cuts off at $150,000
fuel for ordinary motorists and heavy vehicles (other than mining industry) to be exempt
assistance for coal and steel
$3.2bn renewable energy agency

Which seemed to turn into:

The ABC's journos have emerged from the lock-up in Canberra with more details of the carbon tax.

The main points:

Initial carbon price of $23 per tonne of carbon pollution to be paid by the 500 heaviest emitters and increasing by 2.5 per cent in real terms.
A transition to a market-based emissions trading scheme in 2015.
$9.2 billion from the revenue stream to help businesses and workers impacted by the plan.
Tax cuts and pension increases to protect people from higher prices.
A $1.2 billion Clean Technology Program to improve energy efficiency in manufacturing and to support research and development.
Australia's most polluting electricty generators will be closed and replaced with gas-fired units by 2020.
A $10 billion Clean Energy Finance Corporation to fund new clean energy technology.
An Australian Renewable Energy Agency to manage a $10 billion Clean Energy Finance Corporation to fund new clean energy technology.
An Australian Renewable Energy Agency to manage a $3.2 billion clean energy budget.
A target of 20 per cent renewable energy by 2020.
Agriculture excluded from paying the carbon price.

 

[reptilescorpio]

Can someone sum up the Carbon Tax please? Only 10% of people will not get their money back?

Tax free threshold raised from $6000 to $18000. Most people under $80,000 will get the added costs of the tax offset by payments/tax breaks. Better to look at case by case. I assume the figures and details will be up on a government website soon, all the usual new outlets should have breakdowns up by now.

Edit: Missed elf edit.

 

[Kerrby]

Cheers guys. For those interested, Abbott's make a speech in 20 mins on ABC.

 

[reptilescorpio]

Cheers guys. For those interested, Abbott's make a speech in 20 mins on ABC.

Oh man THIS will be entertaining. Wonder what direction he will go in. Appeal to the rich or the companies? Or maybe about the fact we don't get a vote. Should be enthralling TV.

 

[Omikron]

First reaction to the Carbon Tax is that it will have little to 0 impact on most people, as expected. Now, hopefully the Carbon tax actually reduces the emissions.... otherwise its a bit of a failure.

Also, will be interesting to see how the Libs spin this.

 

[Salazar]

THIS IS A BAD TAX

 

[elfinke]

Cheers guys. For those interested, Abbott's make a speech in 20 mins on ABC.

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$18,000 tax free threshold is a pretty big deal. I hope there is some excellent editorials in either SMH or FinRev tomorrow that I can sink my teeth into.

 

[Kerrby]

Abbott: 60% of households will be worse off or line ball under government's carbon tax plan

 

[elfinke]

Abbott: 60% of households will be worse off or line ball under government's carbon tax plan

Yeah I'd like to see how that breaks down, as it is that's meaningless. eg 10% are worse off and 50% are line ball or 59% are worse off and 1% lineball?

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING TONY?

 

[Omikron]

Tony Abbott arguing over 20cent margin for error.

lol.

Struggling.


Summary:

Socialist Wealth Redistribution.

 

[Dead Man]

All they seem to be doing is renaming a revenue stream. If they are making a new tax, but then adding in all these tax breaks and offsets, what is the difference? I don't get it.

Abbott: 60% of households will be worse off or line ball under government's carbon tax plan

That's nice. How many will be worse off, and what incomes are those distributed over?

 

[Jintor]

Sword forms are hard as shit and I don't have enough room in the house to practice :<

 

[elfinke]

I just read in today's SMH that The Gruen Transfer is due back on the 3rd August, huzzah!

 

[Kerrby]

That's nice. How many will be worse off, and what incomes are those distributed over?

Hah don't ask me, I'm just passing off Abbott's speech.

I hate Wayne Swan, imo Hockey is so much better.

 

[Omikron]

All they seem to be doing is renaming a revenue stream. If they are making a new tax, but then adding in all these tax breaks and offsets, what is the difference? I don't get it.

I guess their aim is to get an outcome equivalent to taking '47 million cars off the road' to quote Gillard. Now whether that works in practice, who knows. I hope it is the case, a reduction in pollution should be the aim.


Abbott and his climate change dude still think their policy is better. Err.... no. I am glad we don't have them attempting to put that in place, that would be an utter disaster.


Edit: lol, Abbott promising he would provide tax cuts with carbon tax etc etc, but won't provide any details on how any of his plans would be achieved. Oooo now Hockey is having a crack and getting annoyed.

 

[elfinke]

LOL @ 'forgotten families of Australia' as a retort to a >$1.00 price rise to a $200 trolley.

Tony's presser was well, what I would expect from that muppet. I feel sorry for those around him, like Hockey (who has his moments, to be fair) and Turnbull.

 

[Ventron]

Interesting how the compensation is so uneven. I thought it was solely the polluters that are meant to be feeling the pain.

 

[Choc]

news limited exposes its true agenda for climate change

PS Abbotts fucked

how will he fight a trippling of the tax free threshold is beyond me

its also no where near as bad as TA was making it out. Surprise, surprise

his one trick pony show is over

 

[Ventron]

news limited exposes its true agenda for climate change

I think a better indication of their agenda is to read their editorials, where they actually do lay out their agenda:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...st-of-carbon-tax/story-e6frg71x-1226091005385

THE ultimate test of the carbon tax to be announced tomorrow is not whether it saves Labor, but whether it does anything to save the planet.

This newspaper has long supported the need for a market-driven approach to carbon emissions: the benefit from reducing greenhouse gases is a given. The question is whether this tax, at this time, will achieve that aim without harming our exports, domestic industries, jobs and living standards. The first test is that the tax does no damage to the global competitiveness of our trade-exposed industries.This is not just about setting appropriate levels of tax and compensation now, but of checks and balances to ensure the scheme does not escalate ahead of the rest of the world in future. The tax cannot become the plaything of the Greens with their skewed view of economic reality.

 

[Salazar]

The tax cannot become the plaything of the Greens with their skewed view of economic reality.

Fair enough, but News Limited has an at least equally skewed view of the Greens.

 

[Omikron]

Something for you all - https://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/helping-households/household-assistance-estimator/

 

[reptilescorpio]

I just read in today's SMH that The Gruen Transfer is due back on the 3rd August, huzzah!

Great news! Loved Gruen and will make more material for my favourite Marketing tutor at least.

LOL @ 'forgotten families of Australia' as a retort to a >$1.00 price rise to a $200 trolley.

LABOR LIES AND SCIENTIST LIES. IT'S A BAD TAX. BAD.

They spent the whole time saying that Labor are liars and can't be trusted while continually saying people would be better off under Coalition policies but refusing to say why until SOME POINT before the next election. Wasn't as entertaining as I had hoped as they were trying to be too serious about it, as if they actually believed what they were saying.

 

[The Storyteller]

Guys, guys KFC Tax. Bitch is coming after my KFC.

Something for you all - https://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/helping-households/household-assistance-estimator/

$218 better off. Why thank you.

 

[Kerrby]

Guys, guys KFC Tax. Bitch is coming after my KFC.

Oh wow, KFCTax exploded on Twitter.

 

[reptilescorpio]

Something for you all - https://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/helping-households/household-assistance-estimator/

$431 better off. Will depend on cost of living increase of course. Hopefully the government can keep a leash on the Utilities companies.

 

[Shaneus]

What's that about KFC tax?

Oh, being hungover I don't think I'll be able to deduce this myself... as a single guy living in a flat, will I benefit or be reamed?

 

[FallbackPants]

I just read in today's SMH that The Gruen Transfer is due back on the 3rd August, huzzah!

Hells yes. I guess they needed something to replace spicks.

Fair enough, but News Limited has an at least equally skewed view of the Greens.

But that's horrible. The Greens are a political party with a defined agenda. News is a media company that is supposed to be able to tell a balanced and unbiased story.

 

[Omikron]

$431 better off. Will depend on cost of living increase of course. Hopefully the government can keep a leash on the Utilities companies.

Yah, thats pretty mucht eh truth in it, I will either be mildly worse off (like... $1 a week) or slightly better. Meh.

I just want to see this tax have an actual impact on emmisions.

 

[Ventron]

Something for you all - https://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/helping-households/household-assistance-estimator/

$240 worse off.
Had I had 2 kids, I'd be $50 better off.
As if my opinion of Julia can get any lower. I'd better not get worked up, I might breathe out more CO2 and increase my taxes.

(I really, really hope I simply read the site wrongly...)

 

[Dead Man]

Something for you all - https://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/helping-households/household-assistance-estimator/

Better off, as long as I stay unemployed. They always fuck the single people.

 

[Shaneus]

I pay $346 with the tax but apparently will get $303 through other tax benefits. Vague. All I see that it's going to cost *me* more money that most other people.

And what's the KFC thing?

They always fuck the single people.

Yup. Maybe I should hook up with some slapper and get her pregnant. Or move.

 

[Omikron]

I pay $346 with the tax but apparently will get $303 through other tax benefits. Vague. All I see that it's going to cost *me* money.

And what's the KFC thing?


Yup. Maybe I should hook up with some slapper and get her pregnant. Or move.

You don't pay directly for the tax, it is rather their best guess based on their modelling as to how it will impact your cost of living. Things like electricity, groceries etc. The compensation is probably the best figure there as that is the one you will probably get based on your income.

You can always reduce the amount of electricity etc you use and get a nice bonus from the governemnt.

Probably the biggest interesting point about the tax is the tax reform they are packaging up with it, increasing the tax free threshold to 18k is quite significant.

 

[jambo]

...total annual Government assistance would be: $303 per year

 

[Shaneus]

So that means that out of my salary, $18k of it is tax-free, yeah?* That's pretty fucking massive.

*tax noob/dunce

 

[Omikron]

So that means that out of my salary, $18k of it is tax-free, yeah? That's pretty fucking massive.

As far as I understand it, yes.

- The tax free threshold will almost triple to $18,200 from July 1, 2012, and then increase to $19,400 from July 1, 2015.

- Every taxpayer with income below $80,000 to get tax cut from July 1, 2012.

 

[The Storyteller]

And what's the KFC thing?

Our commie, socialist government prefers Red Rooster. THE BEGINNING OF THE END.

 

[Salazar]

Our commie, socialist government prefers Red Rooster. THE BEGINNING OF THE END.

I have never favoured Le Poulet Rouge or KFC.

It all comes down to who has the best chips, anyway. And none of those chains do.

Grill'd chips are pretty badass.

 

[Ventron]

Grill'd chips are pretty badass.

Oh my God yes.
Their burgers fall apart in your hands too easily though :<

 

[pieatorium]

Something for you all - https://www.cleanenergyfuture.gov.au/helping-households/household-assistance-estimator/

$699 better off p/y

until I finnish Uni and get a real job anyway heh

 

[reptilescorpio]

Better off, as long as I stay unemployed. They always fuck the single people.

They tend to screw the people who are saving loads of money (or wasting loads of money) as even I have been able to provide for myself, my partner and my child on less than $30,000 last year. If I was earning 50k a year I would almost consider myself rich (as long as I don't move to a capital city of course). The calculation is all guesswork on the cost of living rise though. It will depend on your provider, your usage, whether or not the idea of a carbon tax will lead to you turning off un-used electronics, etc.

So that means that out of my salary, $18k of it is tax-free, yeah?* That's pretty fucking massive.

Yeah that was the massive news for me out of the announcement. Means a lot more lower income people won't be paying tax which at least gives people the reason to get at least a part time job knowing that all of the money will be staying with them rather than going to the government.

I have never favoured Le Poulet Rouge or KFC.

It all comes down to who has the best chips, anyway. And none of those chains do.

BOTH Red Rooster and KFC has incredible chips. Nice and thick while being smothered in salt. SO MOTHER TRUCKING GOOD.

Spoiler

Not good for the arteries though.

 

[Dead Man]

I have never favoured Le Poulet Rouge or KFC.

It all comes down to who has the best chips, anyway. And none of those chains do.

Grill'd chips are pretty badass.

Pricks are in every state except SA.

 

[evlcookie]

The current tax free break is 6k or something right? I wish i could calculate how much i would save with the new break of 18k. I guess a little bit but nothing to get excited for.