Ruthless_Barbarian
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jambo said:
Watch the reveal video, the stylus is actually pretty handy and can be used for drawing and artistic purpose. You don't have to use it.
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Watch the reveal video, the stylus is actually pretty handy and can be used for drawing and artistic purpose. You don't have to use it.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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elfinke said:
Eh? S2 is 4.3" while iPhone is 3.7". The difference is colossal.
EDIT: Is there no option to merge continuous posts?
viciouskillersquirrel
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It seems I'm wholly incapable of trolling. I kept trying to get a rise out of upset DQ fans and try as I might, nobody bit. Oh well.
What's happened in this thread today?
What's happened in this thread today?
Used to be. Don't subscribe to the beliefs anymore, but I respect those that do and I still get annoyed when people get things wrong.Kerrby said:
Ruthless_Barbarian
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The 5"+ would still fit into your pocket, the 9" won't.
The Galaxy note has an edge to edge screen, so it looks only slightly bigger than the S2.
The Galaxy note has an edge to edge screen, so it looks only slightly bigger than the S2.
FallbackPants
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Bernbaum said:
Totally agree. The core beliefs of christianity (and I'm not a christian) are a solid way to live. If all you take from the bible is 'be a good bloke' then I think it's done it's job.
That said, Bill and Ted's 'Be excellent to each other' gets the point across is a much easier way.
I have a mate who is very Christian, but he essentially subscribes to that belief. He doesn't preach to anyone and definitely doesn't judge people. He who is without sin and all. I've never asked him about gay marriage, and I'm probably not going to. But still, he is what I think all Christians should be.
Kerrby said:
Some people are.
The problem with religion debates is that civility gets thrown out the window. It goes from an argument about ideas to an argument about people who believe in whatever they do.
I've had perfectly civil debates with work colleagues who are very religious (creationist, even) and whilst I think creationism is one of the most ridiculous ideas going around, I can still convey that thought without getting slapped for saying so.
I think that if you get upset about an argument on such a topic, it's often a sign that you don't like your ideas being tested. Personally, I'd be up for any of the most religious people in the world to debate me about my viewpoint, because I'm confident in it and confident that I have the understanding to rationalise my position in a coherent manner.
By the same token, if I came out and laid down an argument about radiometric data, astrophysics and Big Bang cosmology, Evolution and various other sciences that support a 13.7Bn year old universe created out of quantum fluctuations - and presented this to a hardcore YEC - if they truly believe what they say they do then they should be able to listen without getting upset. Hell, I've had such debates with doorknocking JW's and had a great chat with them.
tl;dr: it's about the tone of discussion, not the content
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But I'm still right
Ruthless_Barbarian
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jambo said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRxjopfC1Gs
Apparently Samsung are launching this big screen behemoth due to consumer demands. People want bigger screens on their phones.
Kerrby said:
If you can't argue a point without remaining civil, then you should work on becoming a good sprinter.
I think that the reason so many people get shitty with Richard Dawkins is because his ideas are a direct challenge to their core beliefs. And when people who believe something strongly - but cannot say why, are challenged, they often retort with "yeah, well Dawkins is a dick".
Anyone who has seen him speak live, even debate live or interview the most devout people he can, would see that he is the very picture of calm, rational and polite debating.
I'm just gonna say that it's because of people like my best friend who surfs and says grace before dinner; my closest colleague who listens to me whinge about everything and doesn't go out on Saturdays because she has has church commitments on Sundays; and legend166 who knows that Nintendo is rad and posts on atheist-happy NeoGAF, that even though I'm not religious I feel a little bit guilty about it and try not to pull punches like a lot atheists will usually do.
@bern - that i didnt know. clearly i need to read more. :-x
changing tack back to the asylum seeker issue - www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-05/crabb-mr-metcalfe-and-the-questions-the-others-forgot/2871126
actual numbers and stuff. worth a read
changing tack back to the asylum seeker issue - www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-05/crabb-mr-metcalfe-and-the-questions-the-others-forgot/2871126
actual numbers and stuff. worth a read
He does a terrible job in trying to win people over. He frames the debate as us vs them in the beginning and then proceeds to preach to the converted, which is useless. Neil deGrasse Tyson once pointed this out to him publicly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2xGIwQfikRandomVince said:
I do like Richard Dawkins a lot of the time, but I'm the converted.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Agreed, I don't care about that either. Just want a big ass phone so I can laugh down on the iphone users, again.
Kerrby said:
was till my teens..... I went to one of those churches that believed in dinosaurs living amongst men and the rapture.
Anyone read those Jack Chick crusader comics..... really messed up but awesome artwork. Gave me plenty of nightmares when I was a kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6pyA1pH_0Y
Ruthless_Barbarian
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The only reason why I like Christianity over other religions is because you guys have got Satan.
Salacious Crumb
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Fredescu said:
How else can you frame a debate?
Here's two interviews/debates where I think Dawkins handles himself very well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf1TpNSodDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMCsMesoWiw&feature=related
viciouskillersquirrel
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There are ways of framing an argument vis a vis religion vs non-belief that don't end in people being ridiculously mad at you. It's a part of the basic skillset of human interaction, called diplomacy.
Bottom line is that most people lead unexamined lives and the human mind is an irrational thing in its natural state. Real rationality takes years of training, a tremendous self-awareness and constant vigilance. Even if you know all the traps, you're still likely to fall into them.
When you point out to people their failures in applying logical thinking to a belief they hold, soften the blow. No doubt they will feel vulnerable already, having had their weaknesses shown to all and sundry already. Further poking and insults will only make them react emotionally, which isn't what you want, unless you're a troll, because it stops being a debate at that point and starts being a slinging match.
Don't be one of those people. And if you happen upon one of these people, do what I do and pay them no attention in future. There's even a handy tool on the forums to help you with that:
Bottom line is that most people lead unexamined lives and the human mind is an irrational thing in its natural state. Real rationality takes years of training, a tremendous self-awareness and constant vigilance. Even if you know all the traps, you're still likely to fall into them.
When you point out to people their failures in applying logical thinking to a belief they hold, soften the blow. No doubt they will feel vulnerable already, having had their weaknesses shown to all and sundry already. Further poking and insults will only make them react emotionally, which isn't what you want, unless you're a troll, because it stops being a debate at that point and starts being a slinging match.
Don't be one of those people. And if you happen upon one of these people, do what I do and pay them no attention in future. There's even a handy tool on the forums to help you with that:
reptilescorpio
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Religion and Politics! Always a good post spinner! Never a quiet moment if you bring up either topic, keep you in work too if you get paid to discuss it.
You should check out Deus Ex 3! It is great. You should play it. That is about the length of pimping needed to get people to play.Bernbaum said:
It's their thing. Just like corporations. Latch on and hope the money starts rolling in! People from every walk of life will take advantage of a situation if they see an opportunity to move up the ladder of society.Sutton Dagger said:
You just made me vomit in my mouth good sir. Jolly good show!jambo said:A bearded axe wound perhaps?
That would be my partner. She is against gay marriage only because of the mistaken idea that it would force Churches to marry them against the wishes of the reverend/leader-in-robe. Once I discussed how it would be impossible for a gay couple to sue a church for not letting them have the ceremony there she was fine with the idea.Fredescu said:
That seems to be the way the Uniting church seems to run things from my outsiders perspective which is nice, very happy for my Son to attend when it is basically telling him to be a good bloke in the future.Bernbaum said:
FURIOUSAusGAF 5.0 - Fuck We Talk A Lot And Rarely About Game (And Never Play Any)HolyCheck said:
It is also cheaper or around the same price against a much older piece of hardware. Dick Smith had it $50 cheaper than the DSiXL and the guy at the counter said they had sold more than the 3DS that month. Boggles.RandomVince said:
Just spent an hour cutting damn green grass. Only 2 weeks growth. Damn you wet weather Warrnambool!Ydahs said:
Sister-in-law is a part of the Revivalist Church. Yeah...RandomVince said:
This is the real question. Which video game church is your favourite? FF7 for me of course, that music! That moment with Aeris! Ah, to be young again.hamchan said:
Did you watch the video I linked? That explains it better than I could. If you're as educated and as eloquent as Dawkins, you should be able to employ some degree of persuasion. Some sensitivity to the mindset of your audience. "Persuasion isn't 'here's the facts, you're either an idiot or you're not' "Salacious Crumb said:
reptilescorpio
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But kittonwy had such a cute avatar! (I think they are banned now? Can't remember the last time I saw them post)viciouskillersquirrel said:Don't be one of those people. And if you happen upon one of these people, do what I do and pay them no attention in future. There's even a handy tool on the forums to help you with that:
Also I love Dawkins but he really is a bit of a dick to anyone who doesn't share his views. Brilliant man and can't wait to see him next year but he does indeed preach to the converted.
Also I'm doing an assignment as an analyst telling people why I think BHP is a successful mining company and it is a hell of a lot of fun. I can insinuate all I want as long as some figures can back me up and I get to use all the current political stuff as well. This is what it feels like to get paid $150,000 p.a. for 5 hours work a week.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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jambo said:I just buy what I think will be the best phone for me, but maybe that's just me.
The Note has pretty much everything anyone could want in a phone.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Eh. DQ really only matters in Japan and there, the console pool has been shrinking for a good long while. Also:RandomVince said:
- It's not Wii U exclusive
- It's MMO-ish
- It's probably coming later than the Wii version
- DQ has never been relied upon as a userbase builder, so its power in that regard is untested.
Fredescu said:
It's tricky because that's kind of the essence of athiesm, being a negative belief and whatnot. Like I've said elsewhere, it's tricky to put "I think your beliefs are a nonsensical mish-mash of ritual and legend around a core set of interesting moral rules" in a way that won't get people pissed off at you.
Not sure how I feel about DQX.
Re religion: Went to Sunday school a few times as a kid and that's about it. I do have some crazy relatives in Canada who are into Hillsong though lol.
Also, saw this in the toilets at uni today. Not exactly original, but still got a chuckle out of me.
Re religion: Went to Sunday school a few times as a kid and that's about it. I do have some crazy relatives in Canada who are into Hillsong though lol.
Also, saw this in the toilets at uni today. Not exactly original, but still got a chuckle out of me.
reptilescorpio
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Why wouldn't it be coming out on the other next gen consoles? It is only announced on WiiU because it is the only one that has been revealed. The Vita shows how willing 3rd parties are to get on board the next gen train. Not to mention the Wii exclusive Tri didn't burn the PS3 and 360 to the ground in the West so I don't think they are too worried.RandomVince said:
I'll chat more about the Revivalist church when I have more time. Nothing nice to say. They don't believe in medicine or doctors, instead they speak in tongues and do a prayer to fix their stomach aches.
Edit: BRAIN FART. No idea why I thought you were talking about Monster Hunter.
Anyway I don't think it will matter. Dragon Quest has never been as big as it should be over here.
viciouskillersquirrel
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You start by stripping out words with insulting connotations, like "nonsensical" and substituting them with more neutral language. People make religion a part of their identity, like their nationality. How would an Afghan react to having their country described as backwards and barbaric?Jintor said:
commanderdeek said:Not sure how I feel about DQX.
Re religion: Went to Sunday school a few times as a kid and that's about it. I do have some crazy relatives in Canada who are into Hillsong though lol.
Also, saw this in the toilets at uni today. Not exactly original, but still got a chuckle out of me.
...you go to MQ?
viciouskillersquirrel said:
'Mythological' is about the only other term I can think of. Unless 'beliefs with no basis in reality' works. I mean, that's pretty much the definition of faith, right?
If evangelists are going to tell me that I need to find God and that's the only way to be saved, I'm not gonna play with kid gloves on.
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