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AusGAF IV - A No Hope, Government - Double the price, region locked and now adults
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Going to have a guess and say that there is not as much day 1 demand for DVDs and Blu Ray's because usually the content has already been viewed and they're often a purchase for second viewing.Choc said:
There is nothing specific about games in the latter two.RandomVince said:
RandomVince said:
absolutely.
I have zero problem with people importing from the UK, heck i do it myself.
I am not trying to get you guys to change habits, i am trying to explain the other side of the fence. That's all
actually give insight into the way this shit works so people are educated about it. Like i said i am not saying dont buy street date broken games before the date.
Choc said:
I said I understand your points. I just disagree that they will ultimately be bad for the consumer other than a potentially minor delay due to pubs holding back on shipping.
And in what is almost a complete digital age for my gaming other than seeking out the best deal. It is of zero consequence to me as a consumer.
Publishers just love control. Crux of the issue.
Choc said:my views on the increasnig street date break situation in australia
http://chocspeaks.wordpress.com/201...e-breaks-are-bad-for-the-industry-as-a-whole/
i'd love feedback and tweets if you like it or whatever
Yeah I'd haft to agree with you here on every point. You could argue breaking street dates is good for the consumer in the short-term, but when it comes to the long-term? ehhhh, it just sets a bad precedent for the industry as a whole.
Fredescu said:
That's it? I can make a quick call ahead or check their website and find out the same info. Exactly as per EB today, were I interested in BF3.
I already get SMS alerts when a game I ordered is in store. Thats enough for me.
Anyway, this could be solved by one of two simple measures:
1. Open slather. Drop the pretext and scrap street dates altogether.
2. Enforce street date contracts and up the penalty for breaking the contract. Publishers have the clout to do so with big games.
Either man the fuck up and take the second option, or don't get in a fizz when retailers retail.
Choc said:
ok
example
person who is a hardcore gamer sees publishers and retailers announce release date slapped in obscure places around the net.
keeps date in mind.
goes in on release date, nothing in store since publisher never shipped it at all.
That was Ozisoft every single fucking time.
Street dates are meaningless.
edit: still trying to find a copy of Rebelstar Tactical Command. Fuck you steve o'leary.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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3chopl0x said:
How do you think I'm playing the game and none of you are?
Hah. Damn gamers, so much entitlement.Fredescu said:
Also. Publishers sort of create a rod for their own back there by the amount of hype they attempt to generate to make their product highly desirable the instant it is released.
And as vince has said. Why don't they enforce contact penalties? In fact has that ever happened?
why is it ok for Apple to have such a controlling influence that it holds the iphone 4s back and telcos hold back but publishers arent allowed to exert that influence on games?
Omi yes
Kmart received Gears of War 2 late after breaking on a halo game.
also to give you more background on how the system works. Lets say Target breaks, then the local EB breaks
people find out online trying to get stores to break, EB/GAME/JB headoffice (generally harveys etc dont care) call the publisher and ask for a release or do they know its broken etc.
The publisher then finds out and does investigation. The investigation is, has the game reached the retailers it meant to for launch day. As in, if every store has the game already, then the launch generally can go ahead
Look at how the Forza 3 and 4 breaks went down. EB contacted Microsoft and Microsoft gave a national go ahead after checking. The difference here is that allegedly EA was tryign to get hold of JB to stop them and JB went ahead anyway
EA didnt want to give the go ahead because they knew not every retaile rhad received the game for tommorow yet (the deliveries were happening today in some parts)
Omi yes
Kmart received Gears of War 2 late after breaking on a halo game.
also to give you more background on how the system works. Lets say Target breaks, then the local EB breaks
people find out online trying to get stores to break, EB/GAME/JB headoffice (generally harveys etc dont care) call the publisher and ask for a release or do they know its broken etc.
The publisher then finds out and does investigation. The investigation is, has the game reached the retailers it meant to for launch day. As in, if every store has the game already, then the launch generally can go ahead
Look at how the Forza 3 and 4 breaks went down. EB contacted Microsoft and Microsoft gave a national go ahead after checking. The difference here is that allegedly EA was tryign to get hold of JB to stop them and JB went ahead anyway
EA didnt want to give the go ahead because they knew not every retaile rhad received the game for tommorow yet (the deliveries were happening today in some parts)
reptilescorpio
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Let me buy games directly from the fucking developer more often please. Cut out the costs incurred in the middle, shift marketing focus and manpower into a shorter product delivery chain.
The cinema I frequented in Geelong had regular early sessions before official release, usually through competitions but a lot of the time they would offer 50 seats to the uni to use in a promotion or just email out tickets to members. That goodwill meant people would buy more tickets at the cinema in the future thinking that they are basically paying half price because of the freebie.
.RandomVince said:
Case in point is Arkham City. Saw it in shops and all over twitter and I was fiending for it and almost handed over $80 even though I had already pre-ordered it on PC. Just KNOWING that I could play it a day BEFORE I originally thought it was available made it that much more tempting to me, as if the exceeding of expectations was worth ~$30 to my mind.RandomVince said:
Some places ship well in advance of street date. I got my copy of Tactics Ogre from Zavvi the same day it was available in the UK. Amazon and Newegg sound like they ship a few days before release too.3chopl0x said:
So I can import a game and have it arrive the same day it releases in Australia for half the price instead of wait 2 weeks? Sounds like a great idea for publishers to try and pull that, I'm sure online sales won't skyrocket!Choc said:
Publishers do everything within their means to stop more games retailers pop up. By supporting big retail stores with exclusives and advertising they make it impossible for the shrinking retailers like Game Traders and GAME. I wonder how many nice little deals were made with EB for starting up the Expo.choc said:
Going on a tangent but cinemas don't hand out the film reel to customers to keep for $12.Choc said:
The cinema I frequented in Geelong had regular early sessions before official release, usually through competitions but a lot of the time they would offer 50 seats to the uni to use in a promotion or just email out tickets to members. That goodwill meant people would buy more tickets at the cinema in the future thinking that they are basically paying half price because of the freebie.
Dungeon Crawl.3chopl0x said:
The crux of the problem. Trying to sell the idea of ownership to people while still retaining full rights and ownership. If you pull that string too tight then consumers will call bullshit and revolt. Bring up the fact that in 10 years time you won't be able to play your collection of 360 games on anything because BC isn't a supported issue and the lifespan of consoles aren't very promising and you the cogs turning over in a gamers head. People don't always look at a game as a temporary service of entertainment. They look at it as a possession, something they can play again and again to get their moneys worth. Some platforms support it well, such as the PC, but remove that idea and turn full price games into a short term service and people will question the value.Fredescu said:
Hey now, Fable 2 was okay. Fable 3 was the one that was a pile of crap, at least Fable 2 was workable and kept moving along with some nice lite-combat.RandomVince said:
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Salazar said:
It's his 25th name day, he can slip all he wants.
reptilescorpio
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Thanks Sal!
It would be pretty cool to walk into EBGames and have them sell you a ticket to a game rather than say that you have bought that game.
I meant more the realisation of what publishers are actually wanting to sell them.Fredescu said:
It would be pretty cool to walk into EBGames and have them sell you a ticket to a game rather than say that you have bought that game.
reptilescorpio
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I was talking about all full price AAA releases. Like LA Noire or Battlefield 3. You walk to the counter and the EB dude says, "Okay you hand me $80 and I hand you a game that you can play for a bit but you retain no rights to and can be restricted from at any time if the publisher is of the opinion that you did not meet the requirements of the fine print you effectively sign by handing over your money". Well, the ticket example sounds a lot nicer and would actually work pretty well if consumers are eased into it. Well, they kind of are with the Project $10 and online passes. Moving through looking glasses nicely. Also I really like the Steamworks approach to DRM and release date sync.Fredescu said:
BanShunsaku
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Fredescu said:
Theyre already doing this. BF3 is a particularly salient example.
To be slightly less controversial: the biggest games are never the best. The games with the biggest hype, however, are usually the ones with these mega street dates and advertising up the whazoo. The focus of the entire market is on those games at the expense of lots of smaller, or mid range games.
So in effect, the emphasis on those products at the expense of all others, is actually the most harmful phenomenon going on in the games industry. Not street dates.
If we keep perpetuating the big game = big deal EVENT EXTRAVAGANZA that currently goes on, sooner or later that's going to be all/most of what we get.
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