Candescence
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Nope. Anything good that sends the GOP into a frothing rage is a good idea, really.
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AusPoliGaf |Early 2016 Election| - the government's term has been... Shortened
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Nope. Anything good that sends the GOP into a frothing rage is a good idea, really.
Beaniedude
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It always throws me for a loop when I read Green has called a seat for Liberal because I always read it as the greens party.
Like why would they know? Who are they to decide?
Like why would they know? Who are they to decide?
I thought Malcolm Turnbull would somewhat reinvigorate the beleaguered Liberal Party after Abbott's term, I thought he'd be at least more effective in selling a vision of what he wanted Australia would be. I thought he had an ounce of charisma and would walk over Shorten in the debates.
Welp. Guess I was wrong. Pack it up.
Welp. Guess I was wrong. Pack it up.
I think we've all been slapped in the face with that assumption haha
The only thing he could be remotely popular on are his social views but he either wasn't allowed to campaign on those, or didn't fight hard enough to be able to do so. Campaigning on corporate tax cuts is pretty tone deaf.
Elaugaufein
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Hey! It won him darkaces vote.
It seems not everyone is cursed with the burden of economic literacy.
Elaugaufein
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I voted alp
Okay then. There goes that theory. It didn't even win him darkaces vote. I got nothing now.
Aarglefarg
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I got flashbacks to Mitt Romney v.2012 at times.
The policy position clearly comes from their donors, so money is speech, but money isn't votes.There's a certain point where the interests of your donors get harder to sell.
On the money isn't votes thing, it's interesting that Clive giving up saw the PUP vote transfer almost exactly to the One Nation vote. I mean I guess there's no way of knowing if it's the same voters, but it seems like instead of dismissing all those PUP votes as being "bought" those voters should have been addressed... by *someone*... at that time as a problem with the direction of the major parties. They didn't and now those votes have made things much much nastier.
I wasn't even in Australia for much of the campaign but it seemed like the Libs were AWOL, such arrogance to think they could just walk straight back into majority government.
There were plenty of GAF banners! No real message to them from memory, just generic kinda "Vote me pls".
The mistake is thinking that the shambling corpse of Malcolm Turnbull would be able to do anything after the last time he tried to defy the will of the party. A mistake we all made to some extent or another.
"So I reckon we should just see it through and stick with the current mob for a while" really was the defining message of their campaign in retrospect.
D.Lo
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Antiwhippy
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A slogan that is the equivalent of "eh let's just stick to it and see how it goes" isn't exactly inspiring.
Methinks T. Nutt should've put in a bit more effort before authorising such a shit campaign willy-nilly.
Eh, I'm not sure I buy this criticism. Moderate messages are hard to sell. It's much easier to campaign on 'axe the tax, stop the boats, don't kill the poor' than it is to campaign on 'we're making small changes in the right direction'. As the ALP found out with their campaign failing to make much of an impact until they started blatantly lying.
It's the same reason that Sanders had so much popular support against what should have been a shoe-in in HRC. Telling everyone you can fix all their problems without any sacrifices is a recipe for popular support and huge amounts of disappointment down the line.
It's the same reason that Sanders had so much popular support against what should have been a shoe-in in HRC. Telling everyone you can fix all their problems without any sacrifices is a recipe for popular support and huge amounts of disappointment down the line.
Elaugaufein
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If it's the same voters , then they are just voting Other but prefer the Coalition. Theres almost no overlap between policies (especially on Immigration which is One Nation's signature policy)
Aarglefarg
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Elaugaufein
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They should probably fire their advertising agency honestly. They took an actual real tradie and managed to fumble the presentation so badly it looked faked. That takes talent.
In a sense, I agree. The counter point is David Cameron, a moderate conservative who was far, far more popular than his party who sold a positive bright future for the UK and won a parliamentary majority despite all predictions otherwise. His only radical policy is that if he won he'd offer a referendum on continued membership of the EU, something that the Labour party didn't match, which cost them a significant number of votes. All his other platforms were startlingly moderate.
I guess given recent events its now all moot, but I highly, highly doubt that any successor will have the same amount of Charisma and that they will lose the next election in 2020, unless of course Corbyn is still leader of the Labour party.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Im kinda enjoying this unsupervised Australia. Maybe we should embrace a perpetual limbo.
How about we ban political parties? Everyone is an independent!
It's possible to have moderate positions that are communicated in ways that "engage the electorate" *vomits*. Axe the tax and save Medicare are both examples of that. "Jobs and Growth" is no position at all.
I'm pretty sure this is the problem that all the hand wringing about "listen to the racists" is intended to fix.
I'm pretty sure this is the problem that all the hand wringing about "listen to the racists" is intended to fix.
Antiwhippy
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You just want a future where mad max actually happens?
Naw, not Mad Max...Fallout maybe? xD
I can't remember where I saw it or who it was specifically, but it was someone who had run someone else's campaign quite a while ago. Wish I could recall.
jellies_two
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To be fair, it is only Gerry Harvey who actually says that. The others just say the hung parliament or one seat majority is going to scupper any pro-business legislation for the time being. Gerry is always reliable for a quote that is entirely self-interested, if it was up to him, we'd have to buy stuff from overseas via a gerry harvey portal that imposed whatever tax he feels is fair to his stores, at the time.
Elaugaufein
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Ashby, he ran Slippers campaign IIRC.
The problem here is that PUPs position was to the left of the fricking ALP on Asylum Seekers. So (assuming it's the same people) Immigration isn't actually a break point for them. They just want to kick the system over because it's failing them and actual positions are just window dressing.
Its of course equally probable its different people to some extent , and Palmer's disillusioned people went back to their main tribe and One Nation ate the right wing of the National vote again. The LNP are attributing losses to One Nation funneling votes to Labor.
bobnowhere
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Yet China has a far higher debt to GDP ratio! Gerry is going senile, needs to get back to his weekly rants on overseas competitors ruining his cushy markups.
You just want a future where mad max actually happens?
Um... yes!
and now for the worst photoshop of all time.
Elaugaufein
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Guess no one told him the age of entitlement was over.
Yeah I agree with both points. Boats didn't seem to feature that heavily in this campaign, so maybe that bunch left Abbott for Hanson.
Running a campaign promising to do not much of anything is a disaster for a government already perceived to be stuck in neutral because of factional infighting. Turnbull's numbers didn't plummet the past 9 months because of unpopular policies, but because he simply refused to do anything.
And if you don't define yourself, your opponents certainly will. I'm guessing that's why Mediscare worked so well.
And if you don't define yourself, your opponents certainly will. I'm guessing that's why Mediscare worked so well.
Somewhat off-topic, but I really liked Cameron. Sad to see him go.
I do think the fact the labour party in the UK is just a mess and has been since Blair affected the outcomes more than the moderation of the message.
Aarglefarg
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Wow. Citation for her running Hanson's campaign: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...ne-hanson-made-her-political-comeback/7567666
Did nothing come from the allegations from the allegations he had sex with two 15 year olds? http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-30/730-james-ashby/4164568
30yearsofhurt
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Postals are taking seats away from Labour.
77 for LNP is looking a chance.
77 for LNP is looking a chance.
Cracking article:
https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/russell-marks/2016/05/2016/1467688568/impoverished-estate
All of it worth reading.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/russell-marks/2016/05/2016/1467688568/impoverished-estate
All of it worth reading.
Even if they do get all the doubted seats they've lost quite a few and on top of that have burnt the general public. No way these next three years go well.
Eh, I imagine they said the same thing about Howard in 98.
Shame that the people who actually need to read that article, won't :/
Elaugaufein
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That's still not a very comforting thought unless they are planning a Terror attack.
Be alert, not alarmed.
Howard's support was rising prior to 9/11. People liked him and didn't see a reason to change. It remains to be seen if Turnbull is the smooth operator that Howard was though.
Also that article above is seriously unimpressive. You can't use short-term economic indicators to gauge the success of long-term economic policy. The main beneficiary of the Keating reforms was Howard. Not to mention that comparing the economic record of the two while totally ignoring the mining boom is utterly disingenuous.
lol
Yep.
Also, Bernadi apparently in talks to defect from the Libs to form his own party, according to SMH article. Register your interest now! http://www.conservatives.org.au/
Right-wing breaks away from Libs, suddenly they would be a far more palatable party personally speaking, but they would also be severely weakened, if National Party and One Nation support is anything to by.
Greens -> Labor -> NXT -> Libs -> Nats -> Cory Party. What a time to be alive.
Aarglefarg
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The Cory Tories?
I registered my interest! How could you not with pitches like this:
"It can be tough being a conservative.
Left-wing ideology seems to dominate the media, our university campuses and the public square. It can seem very lonely being a voice of reason and common sense when it seems like everyone else has swallowed the left rhetoric without a second thought."
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