Elaugaufein
Member
Yeah , his Twitter has called himself a Conservative (rather than Liberal) for years now. Turnbull probably wishes he'd bugger off and join Family First.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
AusPoliGaf |Early 2016 Election| - the government's term has been... Shortened
- Thread starter Bernbaum
- Start date
- Status
Yeah , his Twitter has called himself a Conservative (rather than Liberal) for years now. Turnbull probably wishes he'd bugger off and join Family First.
Elaugaufein
Member
I hope you're ready to get lots of fundraising emails and invitations to events that make you feel unclean just thinking about attending.
ETA - I should buy a subscription to the various Socialist publications for their HQ.
Candescence
Member
Apparently he claims he's not making a new party but he IS trying to setup a conservative version of GetUp. Yeah, good luck with that, mate.
Elaugaufein
Member
I thought that was what the BCA, ACL and IPA were.
Aarglefarg
Member
Corgi St Bernardi's GetPup.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Oh please break off the far right wing of the liberal to its own separate asylum. Please.
Also, isn't raising campaign funding any politicians bread and butter? They've seriously looked at one organisation and gone "hey, we better do that too"?
I signed up as well, but I'm not expecting anything of it. I'd love the loony-right to bugger off out of the LNP.
Also I kinda feel Cory thinks anything to the left of Attila the Hun is basically Lenin.
It seems difficult to enumerate all the ways the Coalition appear to have been on auto pilot this election.
One of the libs who lost his seat had a tantrum about it being unfair that coalition groups pay their taxes but GetUp don't have to because they are a registered charity.
Except GetUp is not a registered charity but (fun fact) the ACL is.
bobnowhere
Member
George Christensen was going on about setting up a conservative getup a couple of days ago as well.
Cory just got a 6 year term from the Liberal party, another Family First would have resulted in his unemployment
We could call them "asylum seekers".
How is it common sense if everyone else sees it differently, isn't that the opposite of common sense?
Aarglefarg
Member
Coalition retained Dunkley as expected, so ABC has them up to 71.
Bloody Forde tipping the other way (as everyone anticipated of course).
Shame (and kinda crazy really!) that those couple hundred votes are the difference between Coalition 74-71 (able to form minority with NXT and Bob) and 73-72 (difficult for both sides, but at least possible for Labor).
Should never have updated my enrolment!
Oh well. Let's just hope it doesn't go any higher than 74! Hindmarsh is the next closest currently at 50.1% but already has nearly 85% counted.
Shame (and kinda crazy really!) that those couple hundred votes are the difference between Coalition 74-71 (able to form minority with NXT and Bob) and 73-72 (difficult for both sides, but at least possible for Labor).
Should never have updated my enrolment!
Oh well. Let's just hope it doesn't go any higher than 74! Hindmarsh is the next closest currently at 50.1% but already has nearly 85% counted.
shanshan310
Member
Bloody Forde tipping the other way (as everyone anticipated of course).
Shame (and kinda crazy really!) that those couple hundred votes are the difference between Coalition 74-71 (able to form minority with NXT and Bob) and 73-72 (difficult for both sides, but at least possible for Labor).
Should never have updated my enrolment!
Oh well. Let's just hope it doesn't go any higher than 74! Hindmarsh is the next closest currently at 50.1% but already has nearly 85% counted.
Hindmarsh will barely flip with postals, absent/prepolls will keep it tight though.
Herbert is going to fall just on postals though. Libs will get at least 75, probably more.
Yes but in Cory's defence I was in the US when the gays were legalised and now I can't stop thinking about my dog.
Elaugaufein
Member
I don't think Labor expects to form government. Bowen was on Q&A doing the tough talk on the Greens Labor likes to showboat with when it poses no actual risk to them. Bowen isn't dumb enough to do that when there's a real chance they'd need the Greens to pass legislation (not in a Senate where they otherwise need One Nation to pass legislation).
Hey, now that the government's gone, we can play the forbidden music!
Aarglefarg
Member
ALP went back to 66, Flynn went back to being in doubt but at 50.8% after 79% counted it looks like it's not at much likelihood to change away from Labor.
Brutalitops
Banned
I wonder if Malcolm has his fingers crossed that Cory fucks off and takes Eric Abetz with him.
Don't be so sure. The postals just started coming in and are ridiculously lopsided for Liberal. 64% at the moment.
They cut the lead by 50% in only 33% of the postals.
Aarglefarg
Member
The AEC is out of Not Yet Determineds, Coalition leading in 74, Labor leading in 71.
I wasn't very sure but that is a surprising amount of change. Thanks. Do you have a particular source you're following?
The AEC itself.
http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseUpdatedByDivision-20499.htm (bottom)
Just occasionally checking on the seats that are in doubt if they've been updated.
I called Flynn (and Longman) as coming back into play last night too:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209192008&postcount=2280
choodi
Banned
A quick browse through that guy's articles and you know exactly who he voted for and where he stands on the political spectrum.
Shit article cherry picking "facts".
I dunno, seems about right to me. Has some bias, but it's clearly part opinion piece.
Elaugaufein
Member
Its the Monthly. Its a Left-wing long form opinion piece publication. It being in the tank for the ALP/Greens is about as surprising as the Australian being in the tank for the Coalition (less so, since the Australian likes to pretend it's an unbiased publication)
Oh ok. I don't really read anything like that usually, so I wouldn't know
I'm fairly fine with newspapers etc. being biased anyway as long as, as you said, they make it clear what they're doing.
As I said before, you can't use short-term economic indicators to gauge the success of long-term fiscal policy, nor can you compare the ALP and the LNP without even mentioning the mining boom. It's an article comparing apples and aeroplanes.
Elaugaufein
Member
Oh ok. I don't really read anything like that usually, so I wouldn't know
I'm fairly fine with newspapers etc. being biased anyway as long as, as you said, they make it clear what they're doing.
Nor did I (just Crikey , because of First Dog) before I started following AusPoliGAF but I've learnt about a lot of them since.
I think you're right about that, but it doesn't knock the main thrust of the article which is that the coalition gets a better time of it through the mainstream media than the ALP does. I'm not a huge fan of "blame the media" for anything, and I think their influence is waning, but it's still a problem.
Elaugaufein
Member
Its not so much the media as Murdoch. Its just that he and his family own most of the media. Which is one more example of the ALP doing something stupid to advantage themselves in the short term that bit them on the arse long term. Its genuinely disturbing how much of the most impressive bungles in our media / political environment belong to the ALP.
No they definitely won't be making government, but Turnbull has done more than enough damage with this election both in its result and how it was run. The fact he pulled a DD and may just barely scrape through with a majority is the worst possible outcome the party wanted. He'll be either turfed come December or pushed to go full on right-wing.
Candescence
Member
We can safely say that the Lib-Green Senate voting reforms aimed at reducing the number of cross-benchers in the Senate has been a resounding success.
lol
Though I had a feeling the Greens knew this would happen anyway and would blow up in Turnbull's face.
Speaking of crossbenchers, nobody has good things to say about Turnbull's negotiation skills, whereas past and current crossbenchers think Labor are actually good negotiators. That certainly bodes well for any possible Coalition government.[/sarcasm]
That's right, negotiating with cross-benches is a nightmare for the Libs. It almost never happens. In my head, any MP not LIB is automatically counted as a number for the ALP.
Not really a surprise given the bullying of the senate that led to the DD.
I think the coverage (mainstream Non-Murdoch) for this election in particular went in with the view that this would be a comfortable coalition victory, and therefore didn't bother to criticise them too heavily. Here's a Fairfax writer making that point: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...t-wrong-how-did-we-do-it-20160705-gpzatm.html
And a good blog in response: https://prestoninstitute.wordpress....t-right-why-the-media-got-the-election-wrong/
The "facts" (lol at the sneer quotes) are only in the first paragraph or two, to give some context to the overall point which comes later: primarily that the media coverage of the election was limp, shallow and utterly uninspiring (and that isn't necessarily a new thing, also not the point of the opinion piece) - those "facts" could be just as easily replaced by any others you care to point at and that larger point would still stand.
Forest for the trees and all that.
It just so happened to be a pertinent and eloquent summary of those things (much like the SMH article mentioned above), ¯\_(ツ
_/¯ and is something I railed against throughout in my local electorate, as well as in any other forum I had a voice at - one of the very times Twitter is useful.
Elaugaufein
Member
As far as the Senate goes , part of it is that Labor has a block to their left, which is basically free ball since the Greens are generally not gibbering nutters. And then only need to pick up a handful (at most) of Centrists.
The LNP is stuck trying to simultaneously appeared Hanson and Family First / Nile on one wing, Xenophon on the other and all but 1d3 members of the remaining crossbench. That requires less negotiating and more bribery and miracles.
Aarglefarg
Member
Wilkie holding a press conference right now about the Iraq war being a bad idea. He is interested in a 'proper' enquiry unlike the two previous Australian ones.
Elaugaufein
Member
What exactly are we expecting from it ? That the Australian government is way to given to fellating the US and unthinkingly deferent to Security / LE / Military demands for greater power is hardly unknown to anyone but nothing comes of it.
Aarglefarg
Member
Uh oh, ABC 24 just showed Xenophon making comments that he twice said were off the record regarding ethanol and Katter?
I don't think it would be all that needed (surprise, ANZUS is a thing) but I wouldn't disagree with one.
- Status