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AusPoliGaf |Early 2016 Election| - the government's term has been... Shortened
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Aarglefarg
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Yes, they started counting postal votes and other remaining votes today.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/storystream/vote-2016-counting-resumes-coalitions-hopes-rest-postal-votes
oipic
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Please excuse my ignorance, but just how do other countries do this? I assume electronic voting is a thing, and well implemented somewhere in a fashion similar enough to our requirements to be able to be adapted for use here?
Not a simple, quick or cheap exercise, I imagine, but in the long run the time and money saved would make it worthwhile, wouldn't it?
Are the AEC already working on an electronic voting solution for future use?
Not a simple, quick or cheap exercise, I imagine, but in the long run the time and money saved would make it worthwhile, wouldn't it?
Are the AEC already working on an electronic voting solution for future use?
There will be very, very little votes coming back after today. Thats just to account for postal system quirks. After today we'll basically know who won what seat.
Anyone who thinks electronic (Internet) voting would solve this problem clearly has nothing to do with ... well, the Internet 
Electronic voting stations have been proven to be a massive security and fraud issue in the US. And that's without the Internet and 3rd party computers being in the mix.
Electronic voting stations have been proven to be a massive security and fraud issue in the US. And that's without the Internet and 3rd party computers being in the mix.
Blame australia post. It's a formality especially in seats that end up decided by under a few hundred votes.
HorseFD
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I hope so. I'm just waiting for this page to update with new data: http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/
Mail takes time to travel across the world. Shocking, I know
Elaugaufein
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Skungier still. They send applications for postal votes , that return to their office. After information is harvested those applications go to the AEC who then send out postals. Since they usually come in the usual campaign flyer envelopes people who already know they aren't voting for the incumbent probably bin them. Its an impressive little system given you can just apply for postal votes from the AEC directly.
This site will update first:
http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseUpdatedByDivision-20499.htm
(scroll down to most recently updated)
They didn't start counting until now (11am), at least in some places. It wont take long to see the results in safe seats, one million votes spread over the country isn't that many, it'll just take more time when every vote has a couple eyes and hands on it from both sides in marginal seats.
Elaugaufein
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The Senate will take ages since every vote must be accounted before it can begin and all votes from a state must be coordinated. Especially given the number of likely independent votes this year , combined with lack of GTV.
Yeah but we already have a really good idea of what the Senate will look like, and its not as pressing as the HoR.
Elaugaufein
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Small changes in the Senate could make huge practical differences though, Greens / ALP getting +2 over projection gets a hostile senate , -2 means they're in the same position as the Senate needing to negotiate with right and centre. Unless the extra Indeps turn out to be centrists or left leaning. But the latter is almost impossible.
Elaugaufein
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Eh, I'd let it settle first. Not the first time Crikey has published dissenting opinions, and TV ratings was quiet positive about the ABC. Twitter's being just as idiotic about the ABC being part of right wing conspiracy. Admittedly my copy hasnt arrived yet so don't know how bad things are.
Credlin appearing on Bolt's show is something to watch, if you're up for it.
But before you do, guess who you think she's referring to as:
But before you do, guess who you think she's referring to as:
Elaugaufein
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I don't think I this revisionist history of Abbott being in an excellent position is ever going to cease to be funny. It totally ignored that Abbott's victories were before he got power, at which point he started an incredibly impressive nose dive.
Elaugaufein
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Could I get a link ? Don't remember seeing that in yesterday's or on the site.
You'd have to go back to 2010:
From: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...um-website-in-first-move-by-michelle-guthrie?
Candescence
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Bob Brown's former chief of staff reminds us that the whole "no formal agreements/coalitions" promise by both parties is a terrible, terrible idea for a variety of practical reasons.
Also, some commentators are noting that while One Nation is terrible and Pauline's election is a travesty, she's basically our version of Donald Trump, and patronising/insulting her and her supporters is not gonna change anyone's mind. The only way to destroy her support is to figure out why people support her and address their fears, worries and frustrations in ways that aren't patronizing while still being better than Hanson's insanity.
Also, some commentators are noting that while One Nation is terrible and Pauline's election is a travesty, she's basically our version of Donald Trump, and patronising/insulting her and her supporters is not gonna change anyone's mind. The only way to destroy her support is to figure out why people support her and address their fears, worries and frustrations in ways that aren't patronizing while still being better than Hanson's insanity.
You theoretically can't please these people though when their main argument for electing her is "muh muslim terrorists!" When you have that kind of stupidity seeping through our national politics it just goes down hill from there.
Australia has some of the most organised elections in the world. We allow so much leeway in terms of voting out of your own electorate, voting from overseas or voting via post. In other countries if you weren't voting in your electorate you simply would not be permitted to vote.
I'm happy for it to take some times in the rare (although common in recent years) cases that elections have no been called one way or another on election night.
I'm happy for it to take some times in the rare (although common in recent years) cases that elections have no been called one way or another on election night.
D.Lo
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Yep, the system itself is world class.
There's no way of talking to these people. They're fundamentally xenophobic and rigidly anti-immigration.
They're after the return of a White Australia Policy. Nothing else will do.
Presumably those commentators aren't the ones that fear physical violence when these sort of "debates" happen in public.
Aarglefarg
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Turnbull says he takes responsibility for his campaign, he respects there is disillusionment towards politics, there are lessons to be learned from the election, that the medicare scare campaign resonated with people sends a message to him that he needs to build up people's trust about his side of politics regarding health.
"There was some fertile ground where that grotesque lie could be sown"
"We found the outcome disappointing"
"There was some fertile ground where that grotesque lie could be sown"
"We found the outcome disappointing"
http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/articl...storms-aec-determined-finish-counting-himself
i really like the backburner
i really like the backburner
CrazedProfessional
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New Matilda is better than Crikey in every way.
New Matilda is only slightly better than Green Left Weekly and Independent Australia.
Elaugaufein
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Postal votes favour Coalition. Accounting for that outcomes in order of likelihood: LNP minority, LNP majority , Labor minority, back to the polls (everybody loses).
I wonder who a do over would favor. Usually it'd be the Coalition but the egg on their face and annoyance about doing this dance again could go the other way.
Their understanding of the role of CO2 to the exclusion of all other chemicals should probably preclude them from ever discussing the science curriculum.
Elaugaufein
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Its a necessity of our system that someone is overrepped in the upper someone must be overrepped in the lower (because the house has twice as many seats as the Senate to allow the house to dominate in joint sittings).
Don't judge a book by its cover and all that.
But sometimes, what is on the cover is exactly what the book is about. A middle-aged, grey haired former coal mine manager "wants climate scepticism taught in schools and says the CSIRO and United Nations' peak climate body endorse corruption"
I can't wait to hear his stance on wind farms (I wonder if he writes for stopthesethings.com)
But sometimes, what is on the cover is exactly what the book is about. A middle-aged, grey haired former coal mine manager "wants climate scepticism taught in schools and says the CSIRO and United Nations' peak climate body endorse corruption"
I can't wait to hear his stance on wind farms (I wonder if he writes for stopthesethings.com)
The low-point of my PhD was having one of my papers rehosted by WindWatch
I almost wonder if a do-over would sway some of those who voted a certain racist redhead in to rethink their choice, having had a taste of the outcome...
Candescence
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Holy shit, that guy looks like a fucking axe murderer, so creepy.
Also, considering their poor results this election, the Greens are gonna have to do a bit of soul-searching. I love Richard Di Natalie, but perhaps trying to actually pivot towards the 'sensible centre' and trying to look like a proper party that can actually govern might actually have backfired in a time when much of the electorate is utterly sick of the establishment and "business as usual" politics, and neoliberal policies by extension (which doesn't really apply to the Greens since they're not keen on neoliberalism, but still). Though some poor focus in terms of seats didn't help, either.
Also, considering their poor results this election, the Greens are gonna have to do a bit of soul-searching. I love Richard Di Natalie, but perhaps trying to actually pivot towards the 'sensible centre' and trying to look like a proper party that can actually govern might actually have backfired in a time when much of the electorate is utterly sick of the establishment and "business as usual" politics, and neoliberal policies by extension (which doesn't really apply to the Greens since they're not keen on neoliberalism, but still). Though some poor focus in terms of seats didn't help, either.
It'd swing Labor's way no doubt. They already have an egg over their face for calling a DD and having the exact same outcome, albeit even worse for wear with a bloody racist in the senate, no doubt people will look down on that and vote Labor.
57% doesn't seem great for apparent votes that were guaranteed to be majorly Lib swinging.
57% is massive in the tight races that are in doubt. If its a pattern that holds up then the 76 seats is more likely than not.
FWIW I live in Chisholm and at least in Box Hill the Liberal advertising was *everywhere* pre-poll. I couldn't turn my head without seeing another picture of Julia Banks. Couldn't tell you who the Labor candidate was. Didn't see any advertising for her. Utterly unsurprised if Labor loses it, especially since it was going to be close anyway.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Don't judge a book by its cover and all that.
But sometimes, what is on the cover is exactly what the book is about. A middle-aged, grey haired former coal mine manager "wants climate scepticism taught in schools and says the CSIRO and United Nations' peak climate body endorse corruption"
I can't wait to hear his stance on wind farms (I wonder if he writes for stopthesethings.com)
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