Natsec legislation is being discussed - basically giving the spooks freereign and preventing another snowden from showing up in Australia or for the media to talk about any leaked sensitive documents.
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Natsec legislation is being discussed - basically giving the spooks freereign and preventing another snowden from showing up in Australia or for the media to talk about any leaked sensitive documents.
ninjapanda
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Well apparently I was wrong.
Getting rid of the carbon tax has led to absolutely zero gains in the polls for the government. In fact it may have gotten even worse for them with a possible further slide in polling (although it is within the margin of error)
I consider it quite ironic that Tony Abbott is now considered less trustworthy than Gillard was directly after breaking her carbon tax promise. Nevertheless it was probably to be expected after the budget reveal.
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2014/07/21/nielsen-54-46-to-labor/
I wouldn't be surprised. Large international disasters (and events) can be strategically utilised to mask the push through of unpopular changes or controversial actions. If I recall correctly Putin's intervention (or invasion) in to Georgia was well timed to coincide with the opening of the Beijing Olympics back in the day. Initial coverage of the conflict was minimal as the worlds media attention was elsewhere.
Disasters can also be an opportunity to increase ones popularity. Anna Blighs response to the Queensland floods for example lead to an increase in her polling. A poor response on the other hand can be quite damaging as it was to Latham in his lack of action during the Indonesian tsunami disaster.
I suspect the Government knows this to be true and is trying to make the most of this opportunity with the hard-line talk and frequent media appearances of Mr Abbott since the recent Malaysian Airlines disaster. In reality Australia's ability to apply pressure on Russia is extremely limited.
I'd give it a week or two. Sometimes these thing can have delayed effects.
Elaugaufein
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Have a good trip Arksy.
In this case I'm not expecting much on that front, because it's a policy that was clearly expected and going to happen (the new Senate makeup meant it was inevitable), so I'd expect it to have been factored in to the polling numbers the whole time (i.e I'd expect a drop if they'd flubbed it rather than a rise if they did it).
In this case I'm not expecting much on that front, because it's a policy that was clearly expected and going to happen (the new Senate makeup meant it was inevitable), so I'd expect it to have been factored in to the polling numbers the whole time (i.e I'd expect a drop if they'd flubbed it rather than a rise if they did it).
stay safe arksy, and good... uh, not sure what it is you'll be doing. Hunting? I'll say hunting.
I know a government has to look tough and god knows Putin probably deserves to be held to account, but Abbott looks like a small dog yapping at the heels of a titan on the world stage
I know a government has to look tough and god knows Putin probably deserves to be held to account, but Abbott looks like a small dog yapping at the heels of a titan on the world stage
I can't wait for the Jakarta Post to be the go-to outlet for even more internal security matters when that anti-whistleblower legislation gets through
The Chinese media already called us out on it last week. I can never decide whether Bishop and Abbott trying to look important is more funny or embarrassing.
Elaugaufein
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I was in China, for a conference, at the time and have the English version of the Chinese paper from that day, I can upload a copy of it when I get home if anyone wants to see it.
I probably should have stated even though I think there might be some bump, it won't be significant/save Abbott from unpopularity. The bump will also be temporary as you say.
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I saw a translation floating around on SA but the thing I remember most was that Australia is a nation of scoundrels and wastrel outlaws lol
I mean the paper is a party mouthpiece but the guy who wrote it or the editor or whatever is still regarded as a crazy soapbox guy so it's not that big a deal, but still
I mean the paper is a party mouthpiece but the guy who wrote it or the editor or whatever is still regarded as a crazy soapbox guy so it's not that big a deal, but still
I have to read this. It sounds amazing.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Q&A was fantastic tonight.
Did you see me?!?
Just to be clear this means youre at the IPA yeah?
It said what everyone is thinking: "Why is this tiny country with no power trying to tell us what to do?"
Elaugaufein
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I won't be home for a couple of days but I'll upload it when I am.
bobnowhere
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It's not really a surprise, the Victorian Labor Right is about as Christian conservative as it gets in this country and the ACL has always aligned more with the Labor party than the libs.
We have 70%+ support for gay marriage, even more for euthanasia yet we are saddled with a "left" wing party dominated by it's socially conservative right faction and a right wing party now intent on snuffing out all moderate voices after getting rid of the few remaining lefty rightys. I always wonder what goes through Russell Broadbent's mind at times let alone people like Sue Boyce and Petro Georgiou.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Were you one of the hipsters caressing his beard on national tv?
Fuck. Probably.
Dastardly Jerks
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The fake outrage over gender reversal in the situation is even worse than her comments.
We all knew she was bogan as hell from the moment she first appeared, let's be honest.
We all knew she was bogan as hell from the moment she first appeared, let's be honest.
she comes across as someone that'll never compromise on anything or listen to anyone because she's so convinced in the validity of her own 'common sense' opinion. Unjustifiably adamant in everything that comes out of her mouth despite most of it being right wing folk populist nonsense (like reinstating the draft).
Well I suppose you can't fault her for being a representative senator
Of course we knew what type of person she was but that doesn't excuse her comments.
You guys are being really unreasonable here regarding Australia being too small to lead an international pressure group. We've lost some of our own. I don't it's really reasonable to expect anyone to do any differently given the circumstances. Wars have been started for less. Pushing for a resolution and getting Russia on board was a good idea. The Yanks couldn't have done that, but we did.
Hahaha tele redeemed
I've got no criticism against the government's handling of MH17 so far. I just find it a tad ironic that the resolution was pushed using the UN Seat the Libs labelled a waste of time and money.
"It's just a two-year term that we won today at the cost of many many tens of millions of dollars and some dislocation of our ordinary diplomatic efforts," Tony Abbott to Channel Nine on the UN Seat.
From http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-19/australia-wins-seat-on-un-security-council/4321946
I presume it will be considered a bi partisan approved seat going forward.
No I think we're far too small to tell countries like China and Russia what to do. But leading an international group is definitely something we're a lot better at.
On MH17: "Thank goodness Australia is taking the lead in putting pressure on Russia, especially for such a small country."
On pollution: "Cutting pollution isn't going to do shit, just look at how small our population is compared to China! Can't have any influence on any other countries whatsoever. Might as well pollute as much as we like."
Not pointing you out specifically Arksy, but I can imagine there are other less open-minded folk who hold those two very extreme values.
Fuck Labor, and fuck Bill Shorten. Fucking clown.
Maybe he's infiltrating or something? Hopefully?
ninjapanda
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I suspect any bump in a week or two will be related to the handling of the Malaysian Airlines disaster since that is what is dominating the airwaves rather than the successful repeal of the Carbon Tax.
Thus this poll is the only one which is primarily influenced by the tax repeal alone (despite some data being gathered initially after the downed plane made headlines)
Indeed. Her comments actually help cement her character in the political scene in the publics mind and they weren't racist, sexist, bigoted etc. It's a win for her.
Ask who the other PUP senators are to someone off the street and they'd probably draw a blank.
I'm reminded of an off hand comment Putin made regarding Australia a few years ago. It was essentially that he knew we existed somewhere on the planet but our existence was of no relevance or importance to him. Now compare that with some of the headlines (like what is quoted by Jintor from the Tele) and news stories recently and we can see how hyperbolic they actually are. Did our PMs phone call really intimidate Putin? I'm doubtful.
That's not to say Australia cannot successfully play a part in an international pressure group. In fact Australia can be very successful in mediation and collaborative actions as our geography isolates us from neighbourhood politics and conflicts other regions face. It is also true pushing for a resolution may be something the Yanks couldn't have done and was a good idea. But at the same time negotiating the retrieval of the black boxes from the separatists is not something we could have done. Our PMs initial strong accusatory comments basically eliminated that compared with the Malaysian PMs softly softly approach.
In the end I am sceptical that the resolution and international pressure will have any substantial influence on Russia or the separatists. This seems visible from the toned down language being used by the Government in recent times being in line with the de-escalated comments coming from the US.
>____________> Some choice we have between Shorten and Abbott...
(Shorten is still miles ahead of Abbott, of course, but it'd be nice if the Labor party didn't pander to Christian lobby groups. Nor take the same stupidly hardline stance against asylum seekers.)
A friend of mine just posted this on FB:
How Tony Abbott won the 2016 election
The depressing thing is that I really can see this happening, particularly given how short the voting public's memory frequently is.
How Tony Abbott won the 2016 election
The depressing thing is that I really can see this happening, particularly given how short the voting public's memory frequently is.
"The Left made its classic mistake in assuming that everyone would see their point of view without them having to actually articulate it. "
Never a truer word spoken.
bobnowhere
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Australian economy is not in trouble, Joe Hockey tells NZ
The budget emergency is over apparently! Poor Joe, so hopelessly out of his depth.
The budget emergency is over apparently! Poor Joe, so hopelessly out of his depth.
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