And could you believe....some or the bastards even place their toilet rolls with the ends at the front!
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And could you believe....some or the bastards even place their toilet rolls with the ends at the front!
There can be more than two, can't there?
It's what The Guardian said.
And I would imagine that if Di Natale wins Bandt won't be deputy anymore since they would want a woman, probably Sarah Hanson-Young or Lee Rhiannon.
But News.com.au said this:
I don't know how politics works in this context, but I don't see how they can't have more than two candidates.
Oh I didn't say they couldn't. I was just saying what The Guardian said, but if Ludlam is going for it that's a good sign.
EDIT: and according to ABC24 Milne is endorsing Ludlam.
Good.
Elaugaufein
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Here's a short list of prominent non-Green political figures who like the Greens:
Here's a short list of prominent non-Green political figures who like the Greens:
Amazing. Why is Milne retiring?
Seems personal reasons.
Speculation is running rampant on social media though; from everything to secret conspiracies to the Greens have heard a double dissolution is coming ala Laurie Oakes a few days ago.
was hoping ludlam or shy would be leader but di natale's a good choice. could do much worse
a catholic conservative married to a right wing labor mp doesn't like the greens? shockhorror
Elaugaufein
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I can't see the co-deputies thing ending well (mainly because there's usually some baaad politics going on when it happens) but I'm hoping for the best.
Also unless things change Waters won't be holding her Queensland senate seat in 2016.
I read this as how dare they change leaders without giving us the opportunity to make several days of speculatory coverage.
Christine Milne stood up and said "Hey why don't we look at the cost-benefit of debt on a case-by-case basis instead of declaring it all bad or all good" during the last election cycle, and nobody paid attention. I'm not going to forget that.
This is a joke right?
Well. There is a Rita Panahi joke account. But the official one tends to out do it.
Still remember calling her out on an error in one of her opinion pieces, to which it was dismissed as to the fact she was an opinion writer, not a journalist.
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Appalling. Anarcho-primitivist agenda confirmed.
She apparently wants to spend more time with her family after 25 years in politics, which is obviously incompatible with the hardcore anti-family stance of the Greens.
DING!
And Ludlam won't be leader yet, too early. They can use him in a pinch when they need the star power, as in when they try to go for PM (which is still very far away).
They have an Auspol? They have an Auspol. But it costs moneys to read so...
LOL'd at what Shorten had on his twitter about Labor being the only party that let members choose leaders - who was it again that helped Gillard backstab Rudd again?
fucking lmao. shameless
http://www.theguardian.com/australi...ve?CMP=soc_568#block-5549a220e4b02f16facdd784
http://www.theguardian.com/australi...ve?CMP=soc_568#block-5549a220e4b02f16facdd784
bobnowhere
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Blib Snooten said:
...and then does whatever the right faction wants anyway.
I would have preferred Ludlum, but I can't blame the greens trying to shore up their Victorian/NSW mainland stronghold. Ludlum is pretty lucky to still be in parliament and Lee Rhiannon in NSW was never a serious candidate.
I suppose you can't have Di Natalie and Bandt in leadship as they are both from victoria, but I bet SHY is pissed right now.
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Elaugaufein
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Is pretending to hold that position as intellectually painful as it looks ? Because my brain is wincing just from reading that.
Wait... if that ("Only one political party in Australian gives its members a say in choosing their leader.") was the case, wouldn't we have Albo as Labor leader?
Elaugaufein
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Give A Say != Let Them Decide. So the statements not wrong.
Yes, were I Bill Shorten I wouldn't be tugging on that cord too hard.
He's not exactly polling great against Abbott as PPM either.
The ALP membership ballot is kind of flawed, you could get the situation where the PM doesn't actually hold the confidence of caucus, which I think would be kind of obscene and is probably why everyone in the caucus decided to swing heavily to Shorten. It's a decent idea, and I think it'll get better over time...but open primaries with no Citizens United is best.
Elaugaufein
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Actual democracy is kind of incompatible with the notion of political parties/factions (particularly in the Representative method where a 51/49 split gets the 49% no representation at all), so there's always going to be issues. Even with the ALP method though it'd be really hard for a prime minister not to have confidence of the caucus (since Caucus gets 50% weight)), you'd basically need a situation where the public went over half , but the caucus went under half. Which is not impossible but pretty unlikely and given the historically weak factional discipline of the left, and the membership being more left than the caucus , its really unlikely to happen in a way that wouldn't be equivalent to the caucus electing their leader anyway.
Bill Shorten is probably the kind of guy who tells people to put their ideas into his suggestion box and then points at his bin. Also, the bin has a little basketball hoop on it.
Anyway, Ludlam's a cool guy, if nothing else. I'd say he deserves better than the Greens, but there isn't really anywhere better for him to go, save rolling the dice on being an Independent.
Anyway, Ludlam's a cool guy, if nothing else. I'd say he deserves better than the Greens, but there isn't really anywhere better for him to go, save rolling the dice on being an Independent.
TriangleOfCorruption
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Would have liked the dream team of Adam Bandt and Lee Riahnnon to be the Greens' glorious leaders and usher in a new golden age.
bobnowhere
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It's a good point, imagine question time if the Labor leader had less than 50% of support in caucus . It would be all "How can the leader of the opposition question me when he/she doesn't even have the support of his/her caucus?" Queue laughing and Chris Pyne turning bright red in smugness.
It should be one member one vote, but the right will never allow that. Hell they allegedly had to resort to branch stacking and ballot stuffing to endure old Bill got across the line.
What's with the media speculating endlessly about the greens leadership change
are they not just like
milne is gonna be a grandmother, she doesn't want to be locked in another 6 year senate cycle, she's not gonna stand for an election she doesn't have any intention of completing the senate cycle, therefore leadership change?
has the media just gotten addicted to leadership spills? Did they forget that parties don't have to backstab one another to get to leader?
are they not just like
milne is gonna be a grandmother, she doesn't want to be locked in another 6 year senate cycle, she's not gonna stand for an election she doesn't have any intention of completing the senate cycle, therefore leadership change?
has the media just gotten addicted to leadership spills? Did they forget that parties don't have to backstab one another to get to leader?
#greenspill was one of the hashtags, so yes.
It's a damned if you, damned if you don't.
Had there been something with a tenth of the theatrics of the LibSpill earlier in the year, it would have been "go back to dormitories guys, that's where student politics belongs" or "Occupy Martin Place ended a few years ago".
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