CrankyKong
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Australians are kinda horrible people
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AusPoliGAF |OT| Boats? What Boats?
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I personally expected so much better out of a country built on the genocide & rape of an indigenous people
i mean when it comes to countries it's either rape and genocide the indigenous population or the indigenous population goes out and rapes and genocides other populations. it's history yo
Candescence
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Pope hits it out of the park again!
Unfortunately, Shorten seems to have won the support of a couple of left-leaning unions on the issue, which makes rejecting turn-backs less likely. But you never know what might actually happen.
Unfortunately, Shorten seems to have won the support of a couple of left-leaning unions on the issue, which makes rejecting turn-backs less likely. But you never know what might actually happen.
Nope, but haven't partaken in any theft either..so nyah! *crosses arms*
manipulate
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Trying to understand the Greens' immigration policy. On their page it doesn't explicitly make clear what their position is regarding people genuinely found to be refugees. Am I correct to conclude they approve of settlement of all entrants found to be genuine refugees?
bobnowhere
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Not really a surprise, organising the left has always been like herding cards. They see something shiny, get distracted and end up regretting what they did in the morning.
the worst part is they didnt even have the guts to do a full count
bobnowhere
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Apparently the right are increasingly pessimistic.
Though there is something strange about the Labor party binding it's members at the same time they are appealing to Tony Abbott to unbind his members.
There sort of this but at the same time there really is no excuse for this issue to be any different from other controversial ones (boat turn-backs come to mind) when it comes to voting as a block.
Hopefully this debate happens soon before I die of boredom from the Socialist Objective debate.
bobnowhere
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And.... it's a compromise. No binding vote until 2019!
Oh look the right won again. The left really need to grow a set.
Oh look the right won again. The left really need to grow a set.
It's embrassing. They went to the Conference with same numbers and have folded on everything.
It's almost certainly going to be law by them anyway.
that change from within tho
Box of Bunnies
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Good to see all that change from within in action.
Greens voters condescending, or the most condescending?
When the Greens actually become something more then a party of protest maybe they will achieve something of worth.
Maybe they can have their own Conference and make their party somewhat democratic. Wasn't it amazing how their members had no say in choosing their new leader.
When the Greens actually become something more then a party of protest maybe they will achieve something of worth.
Maybe they can have their own Conference and make their party somewhat democratic. Wasn't it amazing how their members had no say in choosing their new leader.
Good thing Scott Ludlum got the Greens leader- Oh.
The Conference has been largely successfully anyway. Same sex marriage will be legalised soon enough. The party passed it's laws reforming delegates.
nothing says success like the spineless and pissweak labor left capitulating on every single issue like they usually do
CrankyKong
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I can't vote for the ALP.
Its members are nasty bastards who sneer at people that actually stand for something.
Its members are nasty bastards who sneer at people that actually stand for something.
lmao yeah p. much
I can't vote for the Greens. It's members live in ivory towers and sneer at everyone who actually do something.
CrankyKong
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Enjoy working for a party that agreed to help cover up child penetration in off shore prisons?
Is that the kind of vile shit you have to tolerate to "get things done"?
"Ivory Tower" is labor code for "not willing to become a tory to beat a tory".
You mean the party that has actually spoken out against the government's shit while Shorten's been either MIA or capitulating?
Fuck Labor, I've had it with them. And I'm THIS fucking close to preferencing the Libs above them out of spite because I'm sick of them assuming that they have my vote.
roosters93
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I guess the new Labor process is better than the Greens process... but:
current Greens leader >>>>>>>> current Labor leader
http://situationtheatre.com/news-fuse/labor-announces-merger
Backburner got competition
Backburner got competition
Well the Labor conference was the last straw for me. I held out hope the party Left would at least try to make more of a stand on marriage equality or human rights.
But I just can't bring myself to vote for them ever again.
And long term, I think the Greens are going to decimate them from the left. I wouldn't be surprised if in twenty years time they're a minor party because they tried to race the Coalition to the bottom.
But I just can't bring myself to vote for them ever again.
And long term, I think the Greens are going to decimate them from the left. I wouldn't be surprised if in twenty years time they're a minor party because they tried to race the Coalition to the bottom.
thats fucking depressing
What's more depressing is that the only way to break that is to preference Liberal instead. What's even more depressing is that I'm seriously weighing up the options at this point. I don't owe them my vote and they certainly don't deserve it, and it's the only way to make sure they can't have it.
While the Greens present a number of challenges for Labor, this is one clear advantage that the Greens present to Labor.
They're also capable of winning seats held by Libs/Nats which are 3 way contests between the parties such as the Victorian seat of Prahran by gaining a small but vital collective of small l liberal votes by people who won't vote Labor.
But I don't see them getting mass support from Labor's traditional voting base or from traditional marginal voters. Which means that the current political climate is one we are stuck with unless the majority of Australians begin to take a different view of security and immigration issues.
In much happier news here is my favourite thing from the ALP conference today. This happened when the vast majority of the audience gave Penny Wong a standing ovation.
You're frustrated and I can definitely understand that but this is just fucking insane beyond words. Firstly I know that you know that the Liberals are much worse than Labor on a whole range of issues like climate change, taxation welfare spending and frankly pretty much everything. Secondly it is assured that by directing your preferences to the Liberals you aren't actually going to do anything to make Labor a better party with a more progressive approach to asylum seekers.
I do not give one single solitary fuck who you give your first preference vote to but if you preference the Liberals you are just giving them a license to do exactly the same thing, only worse.
manipulate
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What in the actual?
This will never happen, at least not because of asylum seekers.
If they're is a change in public opinion on this issue than Labor's policy will change as well and I doubt that in the future the electorate will punish a party for it's past actions.
don't be a crazy person. voting out of spite is real dumb
bobnowhere
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Amazing. Thought he'd retired or maybe just very soon.
Saw a vid of a speech he made, probably a Shoppies conference, he mentioned marriage should be between and a woman and was roundly booed. The look on his face was priceless.
Wow, what.
Nice 2030 RET, but Labor does not have my vote as long as this immigration policy stays in place. This is unacceptable.
To be completely honest that ivory tower comment confuses me. Ivory tower to me means someone who is disconnected with everyday people and their plights, which to me is more the liberal party than anything else.
Ah damn, if thats true sorry for jumpin' on you Rubixcuba
I just think they might get into a spot where they don't dominate the political landscape like they did before. They might increasingly need to rely on minority governments or form coalitions with other parties. They're relentlessly racing to the centre on several issues to the extent that it might become a pattern for future elections.
Preferences are currently making this move to the right feasible at the moment, left voters are just preferencing them anyway, but if it ever gets to the point where whoever or whatever is feeding them preferences grows larger than them, well things could change.
Or not. The next Labor leader might undo this all. The Greens or leftish voters might fuck up and become irrelevant.
It is. I know it is. But unless I vote informally they can count on my vote. I hate it, they don't deserve it. The system is broken because I can't say that they (either of them) can't have it.
Elaugaufein
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Its impossible to prevent someone effectively having it. Even if you abstain from voting what you're effectively doing is voting with the majority at each count (since X/(Y-1) > X/Y).
I'd put it more on the voters - the hard line Greens voters are getting to be nearly as unbearable as the Liberals. It doesn't matter what your messages are if your vocal supporters are toxic to anyone who doesn't share all the same views.
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